Topic : 03/26 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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(Original Air Date: 09/20/07) Most everyone has thought about removing imperfections -- a nip here, a tuck there. But some people want plastic surgery to erase their ethnic identity! First up is James. He says he doesn’t want to change anything about himself because Asians are intellectually superior, and women should obey men. His wife, Roseanna, says he’s a controlling racist who demeans women, and she says she needs help before he corrupts their 11-year-old son. James says he’s ready to serve Roseanna her walking papers if she doesn’t become more obedient. Is James a controlling bigot or simply misunderstood? Then, Dr. Phil explores the pros and cons of eyelid surgery -- one of the most common cosmetic procedures for Asian women … and one of the most controversial! He talks to a woman who had a fold added to her upper eyelid, a plastic surgeon who performs these procedures and two guests who believe the surgery erases Asian heritage. Plus, Brad says he hates his nose, and he wants plastic surgery to look less Italian. His mother, Debbie, says she loves the way he looks -- big schnoz and all! Brad’s surgery is only a month away. Can Debbie convince him he's perfect just the way he is before he goes under the knife? Talk about the show here.

Find out what happened on the show.


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March 27, 2008, 7:26 am PDT

03/26 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

Dr. Phil -

I agree totally with James as to intelligence level of Asians.  It has been proven that Asians are more intelligent - and I have observed this in playing  Bridge on the computer.  I am always glad to have an Asian partner.  THE THING THAT PUZZLES ME IS THAT JAMES DID NOT MARRY AN ASIAN!!!!!  Since he chose not to marry an Asian he should accept what he has and treat her with dignity.

As to James and Asian having cosmetic surgery.  I say GO FOR IT!  When I was 70 I had a tummy tuck and have never regretted it.  Prior to surgery I had to wear blouses that did not fit in the shoulder area so that they would be large enough for the abdomen area.  Even housekeeping in the hospital would peek around the curtain to see this vain 70-year old woman. 
 
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March 27, 2008, 7:38 am PDT

Ashamed & let down!

I come from a family that is mostly European and is mostly Jewish.  My whole life I was always picked on in school by people for having a big nose.  As a adult I was ridaculed and made fun of by my husbands family for having such a big nose.  Finally, I did something about it at age 23 and had a nose job.  Even though my nose is much smaller my husband still picks on me and makes fun of me saying things that are very hurtful about my nose and it's size (eventhough his nose is way bigger than mine now).  Now that I have done the whole nose thing I am still not happy with it and don't really feel any better about myself!  Not to mention they were right on the show, I feel like I erased all of my ethnic heritage because before people would ask me after getting to know me if I was Italian or something and I could always proudfully say I was of Russian Jewish Heritage, now nobody ever even asks me anything about what I am or where my family is from.  I am now just another caucasian in the mass heard of society.  I am now in my mid 30's and feel it was trely one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made!!!  Young people be proud of who you are are and what your ethnic background and makeup are because without that you are just another face in the crowd!
 
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March 27, 2008, 9:28 am PDT

You still missed my point

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Another "culture" being disturbed?  That speaks for a VERY large group.  A few people from a culture may be bothered due to their own personal insecurities...but the changes of an individual's appearance only affects the individual.  I don't get "offended" when white people tan, tan, tan, or when they speak with a black ghetto accent...I'm Italian and if my nose was too big, I'd surgerize it down--nothing to do with my ethnicity and everything to do with my nose being TOO BIG for my face, and not wanting my nose to precede ME, and letting the God-gifted surgeons ensure my feelings to never be hurt again about my nose. 

 

Yes, people who look different are interesting to look at, but that is from an external perspective.  How does the different-looking person feel about it?  And symmetry has nothing to do with shallow--a balanced view is initially attractive.  And unfortunately, looks are the first thing we notice.  Without eyes, this wouldn't be a discussion. 

You are missing my point. My point is if a person is ashamed of their ethnicity and they get plastic surgery solely for the purpose, then this says don't love who they are. I said another culture meaning some people from another culture. I did not mean to suggest a whole group. My point it I can see where someone from another culture would be offended.

 

Also I don't look at people that way so I guess maybe I am just different. When I hear and see the word symmetry and view from an artistic perspective, I think perfectly the same on both side. In art classes the painting and visual pieces that were asymmetrical were always deemed the most interesting when critiqued by my teachers and the students. So maybe artists see things a little differently. There are different ways of seeing.

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:35 am PDT

Photos Not Fair

I was disappointed in the survey taken when random people were shown 3 photos and were asked which person was more attractive. What I found questionable were the differences in the apearances of the three women. The African-American photo and the Asian photo (although beautiful women) seemed like mug shots. The African American's had big hair which seemed unkept and the Asian looked like like a befor photo in an infomercial.

I think you could have done a better job. Would that have changed the results? Perhaps not. But it didn't seem fair.

Kat

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:43 am PDT

Symmetry vs. Asymmetry

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Another "culture" being disturbed?  That speaks for a VERY large group.  A few people from a culture may be bothered due to their own personal insecurities...but the changes of an individual's appearance only affects the individual.  I don't get "offended" when white people tan, tan, tan, or when they speak with a black ghetto accent...I'm Italian and if my nose was too big, I'd surgerize it down--nothing to do with my ethnicity and everything to do with my nose being TOO BIG for my face, and not wanting my nose to precede ME, and letting the God-gifted surgeons ensure my feelings to never be hurt again about my nose. 

 

Yes, people who look different are interesting to look at, but that is from an external perspective.  How does the different-looking person feel about it?  And symmetry has nothing to do with shallow--a balanced view is initially attractive.  And unfortunately, looks are the first thing we notice.  Without eyes, this wouldn't be a discussion. 

Also, since we were talking about symmetry, I'd like to add this. I am considered very attractive and get hit on all the time by men of all different races, and my face is in no way symmetrical. So the symmetry studies may be true in most instances but the findings haven't applied in my case.

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:45 am PDT

BULLLYING - EMOTIONAL ABUSE AT WORK AND PLAY

Though harder to spot, emotional abuse is easier to deny.  But just as physical abuse has signposts to mark its presence, emotional abuse, being a systematic attack on one's sense of self, has common traits.  Physical abuse comes in degrees of severity - emotional abuse also runs the gamut of intensity and damage.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

School Mobbing and Emotional Abuse:  See It, Stop It, Prevent It by Gail Pursell Elliott

 

Mobbing:  Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace by Noa Davenport, Ruth Schwartz and Gail Pursell Elliot   

 

Rules for Office Politics: 

www.cyberpsych.com/politics1.html 

 

The First 90 Days:  Critical Success Strategies... by Michael Watkins

 

How To Journal For Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh OR Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward AND Why It Is Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss OR Stop Walking on Eggshells by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger

 

 

The brain is involved in everything we do.  How we think, how we feel, how we act, and how well we get along with other people is related to the moment-by-moment functioning of the brain. When the brain works right, people tend to work right. When the brain is troubled, people tend to struggle being their best selves.   

 

Hope it helps!

 

 
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March 27, 2008, 10:37 am PDT

This kind of thinking can be harmful

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Dr. Phil - I totally agree with James as to intelligence of Asians.  Statistics show that this is true - and when I play Bridge on computer the Asian bridge players prove it to be true.  One thing that puzzles me is why James married other than an Asian!!  Maybe he thought he would be outsmarted.

As to Brad having cosmetic surgery to change shape of nose.  I am totally in favor of this being done.  When I was 70 I had a tummy tuck and have never been sorry.  And when I look at women my age and see their fat tummy I really feel good about myself.  I had to buy blouses that were too large in the shoulders so that there would be space enough in the hip area.  Also, now I can tuck my blouse in my skirt or pants if I want to.  So I say to Brad - GO FOR IT!  A side note is that even housekeeping would come and peek around the curtain at me and say "Hi" - probably wondering what this 70-year old vain woman looked like.

It is not good for us to think that many Asians are somehow inherently more intelligent than non-Asians

when the truth is that if the majority of  people put the same amount of time in learning studying in as many Asians have been taught to do, then the majority of non-Asian people would be just as intelligent too.

 

This also works in a harmful way too. I heard an Asian-American female say that she hated growing up with the stigma that somehow Asians were smarter. She said in her math class at school, the teachers always expected her to have the correct answers and always looked for her to be the first to solve the math problems. The irony of it all, was that she hated math and wasn't good at math so this really annoyed her. It also made the other students begin to resent her because the teachers immediately assumed when she first came to class that she was smarter just because she was Asian.

 

I can also remember in a college class that I was taking where we were given an math assignment that would be due at the end of class and one of the Asian students as well as a 2 other students copied my friend's answers. When we all got our grades back my friend ended up being livid. My friend asked everyone what grade they received. The other 2 students who copied her answers received a grade of C just as she had because some of her answers were wrong. The Asian student received an A.  My friend and the rest of the students in class then assumed that the teacher didn't even bother to look at the Asian student's answers and just assumed that they were correct. I really don't know if this is what the teacher's thinking was but this is what the rest of the class thought.

 

 

 

 
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March 27, 2008, 11:37 am PDT

if i were a girl???

I wanted to jump through the TV. Suppose that young man was a girl? He ---is not his nose, for petes sake.  He is still going to be his mother's pride and joy and love her like a good italian boy should!

His grandfather probably hated his nose too. Why not make yourself feel good? Its hard enough in todays world with out having a feeling if inferiorty. If that is what makes him feel better than go for it.

He'll just have to explain to his son some day where his nose came from!!! 

 
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March 27, 2008, 12:20 pm PDT

Photos did look like mug shots

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I was disappointed in the survey taken when random people were shown 3 photos and were asked which person was more attractive. What I found questionable were the differences in the apearances of the three women. The African-American photo and the Asian photo (although beautiful women) seemed like mug shots. The African American's had big hair which seemed unkept and the Asian looked like like a befor photo in an infomercial.

I think you could have done a better job. Would that have changed the results? Perhaps not. But it didn't seem fair.

Kat

LOLOL. I also thought the photos of the other 2 women looked more like mugshots while the blonde woman's photo looked almost like a glamour shot.
 
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March 27, 2008, 9:53 pm PDT

Please say Brad didnt

I know that the show on 3- 26 was a re-run but it was the first time I got to see it and I pray that Brad did not get the surgery done. I too have a large nose everyone in my family does and were not Italian. I too use to want a nose job very much so and even saw a counselor when I was younger who told me to do it! There still is a part of me who wants it sometimes but then I am not my family. I got everything wrong with my family or so I say haha. I got the brown eyes my brother got the blue ( I did get blue contacts at one point) I got the brown hair my brother got the sandy blond, I got no butt my brother has a bubble butt, I am 5’7 and wanted to be taller the men in my family are above 6 ft. You have to be happy with what God gave you, I have learned. I wanted my boobs back after I lost them when I had my daughter so I had them done and I HATE THEM!! I think they are to big and don’t fit my flat butt and no hips haha. You try to spend money to change what you look like but then is that what is really wrong? Cause no matter what you change you are going to pick out another and another but what is the real problem? Brad you’re a good looking guy PLEASE say you didn’t get a new nose cause you are good looking and the one God has picked for you will love you for everything!! My brother did get a bigger nose then me yet mine is big but he has a gorgeous wife and a very happy life, you can too…

 

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