Topic : 03/26 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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(Original Air Date: 09/20/07) Most everyone has thought about removing imperfections -- a nip here, a tuck there. But some people want plastic surgery to erase their ethnic identity! First up is James. He says he doesn’t want to change anything about himself because Asians are intellectually superior, and women should obey men. His wife, Roseanna, says he’s a controlling racist who demeans women, and she says she needs help before he corrupts their 11-year-old son. James says he’s ready to serve Roseanna her walking papers if she doesn’t become more obedient. Is James a controlling bigot or simply misunderstood? Then, Dr. Phil explores the pros and cons of eyelid surgery -- one of the most common cosmetic procedures for Asian women … and one of the most controversial! He talks to a woman who had a fold added to her upper eyelid, a plastic surgeon who performs these procedures and two guests who believe the surgery erases Asian heritage. Plus, Brad says he hates his nose, and he wants plastic surgery to look less Italian. His mother, Debbie, says she loves the way he looks -- big schnoz and all! Brad’s surgery is only a month away. Can Debbie convince him he's perfect just the way he is before he goes under the knife? Talk about the show here.

Find out what happened on the show.


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September 20, 2007, 5:55 pm PDT

Alpha Males

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     James is a very insecure man. He needs some personal development / self realization and it will probably come after another divorce.
 
There should be equality in a household and  a leader needs to show this by example. The man needs to be strong spiritually and his strength will be followed.

What is happening in America is that some men are not strong enough mentally and cannot cope with the stress of a committed relationship.
I see many men such as  coworkers and friends being dominated in their relationships by their wives and girlfriends. This is also wrong and leads to  problems.

James' problem is not a race issue but a spiritual development issue. Maybe this is a problem across the land.



I'm all for strong, self-empowered men.  Unfortunately the "Alpha" male role only really works in romance novels as very few women want to be dominated (outside the bedroom).  Dominance nothing to do with leadership or superiority - it has to do with the desire to control.

 

In the end, for a truly good, healthy, long lasting relationship - there should be no one dominating anyone (outside of fun and games). Relationships are a cooperative partnership where both parties share the leadership. Granted at some times, the male will take the lead and at other times, the female will. If one has to lead all the time, the relationship is unbalanced.

 

 
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September 20, 2007, 5:56 pm PDT

Brad Looks Good Just The Way He Is

I see Brad as a handsome guy.  He looks great just the way he is:)
 
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September 20, 2007, 6:06 pm PDT

change my nose !!!

I lived 42 years with a bump in my nose that I hated !!!  In 1995 I had a deviated septom done and also had the bump removed ....my self esteem hit high and I still am going strong !!!  I'm glad that young man is taking action to make himself feel better ! 

 
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September 20, 2007, 6:15 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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I am a 45 year old Caucasion American woman whom married an Asian man from Hong Kong. Even though my husband came here to the USA when he was 16 years of age, he still hasn't got with the program yet! I have been with him 20 years now and 17 of them married. He was totally different before we eloped, but as soon as those papers were signed, "HE WAS ALL, ME, ME AND ME".....  I always come #8. What I mean by that is, first comes himself, then his job (works in restaurant for family), then come his parents, then come his brother and sisters, then come his nieces and nephews, then comes anyone of Asian descent, then comes his own children (if they were full-blooded Asian they may have come 2nd), then comes me.

He has never physically hit me, but the silence and the verbal and emotional abuse has taken it's toll. I have done everything in my power to try and save our marriage (even went to a marriage councelor for a year "bye myself", he wouldn't even do a single phone-conversation with councelor). I have 3 boys and 1 girl and now my daughter is feeling the effects from it, this is why I must seriously get out!!!

I need your help Doctor Phil. There is absolutely no talking to this man, when I say "we need to sit-down and talk" he just about laughs in my face, there is now way he is going to take advice from a woman never mind listen to one, especially an American Woman.

Our daughter is absolutely georgous (modeling material) and I, myself, need one of Doctor Phils "Extreme Makeovers". I have no slef-esteem left, whatsoever. I hate myself for allowing things to deteriate this far, and especially hate myself due to the fact that my daughter asks me on a daily basis, "mom, please lets just get out of here and leave these men to fend for themselves".

My heart breaks for her, but I try to explain to her that with no money we are unable to go anywhere. A few months ago, he took the check-book and all the credit-cards away from me, another one of his control tactics.

I was working 5 days a week, down to 3 days a week, down to 1 day a week, so I just left (It's because almost all the work has been completed here since "Hurricane Charlie" hit and it seems as though there is a depression here, in Charlotte County, Florida.  Foreclosures went up 90% and taxes tripled since then and there are over 7,500 houses for sale here, not including the foreclosures which alone is 9,500 homes), and since I am not working, my husband hasn't spoken to me and has made his room on the sofa since. I think that the sofa part is the best thing that has happened in our relationship (will not tell him that) but, the "SILENCE" is another one of his control issues and it has broken the last straw on the camels back, so to speak.

I have taught myself how to tile and have made counter-tops for our kitchen, tiled Master-Bath and am 1/2 way done with guest bathroom/kids bathroom. I tell my husband that I have checked newspapers, online, etc. for a job, there is nothing out there, and that I am saving him a bunch of money doing all the tiling (due to Hurricane Charlie), and his responce is "your tiling doesn't pay my ******* bills!" I just want to puke when he speaks.

The race issue I can deal and live with but, the cultural issue I cannot live with any longer, and feel completely trapped.

I have written to the Tyra Banks Show trying to get my daughter into modeling, "this is my daughters goal and her dream", and I just know that she would be so good at it, but I would be embarassed for my daughter because of how I have let myself worth, and feel that I couldn't represent her in an up-lifting manner because of my appearance.

Please, Oh please Dr. Phil, help us.  THANK YOU!!!!

 

Truly,

 

L & E Chan

Hello,

 

I am a 35-year-old woman from Hong Kong. I came here when I was 12.

 

From what I read in the beginning of your message, there is a lot of old-time traditional culture that has been engrained into your husband in his youth. That is contributing to the way (very badly) that he is acting now. I do not think it makes a difference whether you, as the wife, is Caucasian or Chinese, he is still going to act that way. And being a Chinese-American woman orginally from Hong Kong, I don't think I can stand that type of behavior either!

 

Do what is good for you and your daughter. Good luck and God bless!

 
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September 20, 2007, 6:38 pm PDT

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I'm SOOOOOOO frustrated with the whole "one race vs. another race" issue. I try to avoid the topic all together because the issue provokes gut wrenching, jaw clenching, fist pumping reactions that are so strong i feel unable to communicate my thoughts in an adult dialogue.
first, i must say, well done, dr. phil. you've done it again. this issue is like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. it's so touchy. it's so......ridiculously sensitive. it's full of hypocrisy and double standards. and dr. phil, you addressed the issue with finesse and bravery. i thought i loved you before, but now i would like you to legally adopt me.
secondly, and i dont even know if i CAN say this, but i will, because for once i would just like to SAY something on the matter instead of stomping away in a fit of rage.
My current boyfriend is obsessed with asian culture and asian women. as are a lot of my male friends. and we're all caucasian. they speak about asian women as if they are these delicate flower treasures and one should count himself as a blessed man should he catch himself an asian woman. not only do i find it highly offensive as a caucasian woman, but i feel even worse that they are objectifying a human being, a WOMAN. it's almost as if they've stripped the humanity away from these women and made them their own personal play toys.i feel protective.i want to stand in front of the woman they are ogling and shield her from their eye rapings.  i become enraged. why is this so common?? I HATE IT!!!!! Why cant we be judged as a possible mate based on my ability to be a good partner, a quality person, AN INDIVIDUAL......rather than whether or not we are a certain race???  i find this to be devestating.


 
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September 20, 2007, 6:41 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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I agree with you. I honestly, find myself jelous of Asian woman's beauty often. So it seems so absurd to me that they would want to change their eyes. I'm like, "But you're crazy, I'd love to look like you!"

Hi,

 

I just want to talk about the different Asian looks and how diverse they are.

 

I am an Asian woman originally from Hong Kong. I go to Asia annually and watch TV shows and movies from Asia all the time. One thing I noticed is that Asians from Asia look very different from Asian-Americans in the United States. I am not sure the reason, maybe the weather or maybe there are more diverse Asian ethnicities/populations in Asia.

 

Asians in US, espcially American-born ones tend to have darker skin and a more "ethnic" look. I am Chinese so I am comparing the American-born Chinese and the Chinese originally from China or Taiwan. (I live in San Francisco, so there is a large population to compare with. ) My parents when vacationing in San Francisco from Hong Kong often mistake the Chinese Americans in SF as Mexicans and even as African Americans. That's just to show how different the same race can look when they live in different countries and after living in a place for a few generations.

 

So back to the eyelid surgery. One of my eyes already have a good size fold and my other eye has a crease but no actual fold. I have a very asymetrical face but I have never thought about surgery because it is going to make me look un-natural. A lot of the girls want to look prettier, but having the surgery does not necessary make you look prettier. Some actresses in Asia have the heavier eyelids just to show that beauty is beauty and it does not have to do with just your eyelids. It's the whole package!

 

So why do Asian women have the surgery done...when I grew up in Hong Kong, the beauty standard was big eyes (like the Japanes cartoons), long hair and small mouth. So the girls who do not have the big eyes want surgery to open up their eyes to meet the beauty standard. It's like the big lip trend right now- people want the Angelina Jolie lips and I see a lot of Caucasian women have rediculously full lips, which I don't  quite understand because it is not beautiful culturally for Asians to have full/big lips. That's the best I can come up with to explain to folks why some Asian women want the eyelid surgery. 

 
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September 20, 2007, 6:46 pm PDT

James is typical

I work for an Asian boss and he and James must be brothers.  I'm caucasian, oh my, and he is Korean, born in Korea and came to the states at the age of 15.  I can't stand him.  His wife is worse.  People who believe they are better because of race need a reality check.  We are all the same, my 2 best friends are black.  When we hired a new person, he made sure to tell me before she came in that she is "black".  Like, I wouldn't notice that when she walked in.  I love her.  But the boss is always on her case.  She does an excellent job, but he complains about her work.  Suck it up James.  Get over yourself or move back to your homeland if you are not happy here.

 

By the way, I am looking for another job.  I can't stand his remarks.

 
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September 20, 2007, 6:47 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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I'm SOOOOOOO frustrated with the whole "one race vs. another race" issue. I try to avoid the topic all together because the issue provokes gut wrenching, jaw clenching, fist pumping reactions that are so strong i feel unable to communicate my thoughts in an adult dialogue.
first, i must say, well done, dr. phil. you've done it again. this issue is like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. it's so touchy. it's so......ridiculously sensitive. it's full of hypocrisy and double standards. and dr. phil, you addressed the issue with finesse and bravery. i thought i loved you before, but now i would like you to legally adopt me.
secondly, and i dont even know if i CAN say this, but i will, because for once i would just like to SAY something on the matter instead of stomping away in a fit of rage.
My current boyfriend is obsessed with asian culture and asian women. as are a lot of my male friends. and we're all caucasian. they speak about asian women as if they are these delicate flower treasures and one should count himself as a blessed man should he catch himself an asian woman. not only do i find it highly offensive as a caucasian woman, but i feel even worse that they are objectifying a human being, a WOMAN. it's almost as if they've stripped the humanity away from these women and made them their own personal play toys.i feel protective.i want to stand in front of the woman they are ogling and shield her from their eye rapings.  i become enraged. why is this so common?? I HATE IT!!!!! Why cant we be judged as a possible mate based on my ability to be a good partner, a quality person, AN INDIVIDUAL......rather than whether or not we are a certain race???  i find this to be devestating.


Yes, as an Asian woman, I find it very creepy when Caucasian men talk to me about how they just "love" Asian women. I am sorry but we are not all the same and you don't even know me! How do you know that you just "love" any and all Asian women.
 
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September 20, 2007, 7:09 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

 

I say to Brad if he does read these message boards to go for it and don't be intimidated by the insecure people in your family that want you to resemble a deceased family member.

 

In 1995 I got a rhinoplasty.  I am 75% slav and 25% italian and it had nothing to do with my italian heritage!  bigger noses come in all nationalities.

 

Dr. Phil was just trying to scare you a rhinoplasty isn't that big of a deal.  however, my surgeon had me go under using general anesthesia because he repaired a septum and swollen turbinates.  the surgery will be over before you know it and be prepared for 2 black eyes postop (and then a beautiful yellow color while healing) because they break your nose big time to reset it and then will take off excess skin and make the stitches in your nasal folds and about 2-3 wks the stitches are removed which can be painful - but its very brief.  be prepared to sleep upright for a week (due to circular device put around head to keep your nose/bandages in place) which catch the blood that drips out of your nose.  you will feel pain when the swelling goes down and your skin will press against the plastic tubes that were put in your nose postop.  however, if that happens the M.D. will take them out.  for me the narcotic vicodin was too harsh for my system to take (even with food ingested), so i was given percocet instead.   be prepared to not taste your food for like 3 wks due to nasal passageway swelling (so good time to go on diet and eat the foods whose taste you despise). 

 

I also underwent the chin augment but that was 2 yrs later and the surgeon didn't use silicone because the body could have a reaction to it and after 20 yrs someone could have a witchs chin (in your case warlock).   so instead he sliced into my chin and separated 2 parts of my chin and move my chin up 6 mm and then put screws into my jaw to keep it in place.   the chin surgery was much less painful than the nose surgery.

 

with these 2 surgeries in about a month the swelling went dramatically down.  the only people who could still see swelling were the plastic surgeons. 

 

Brad i just want to let you know what happens.  Good luck i'm sure you'll love your new look and your eyes will just "pop" as never before once your nose is proportionate to your face. 

 
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September 20, 2007, 7:22 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

As i read more i'd like to comment on the Asian look.

 

i still think all of the ladies look asian which is a good thing.  removing the fold made their eyes more visible and gives them the ability to curl their eyelashes/use mascara to make the eyes even more brilliant and prettier.  they also looked more awake and more attractive than alot of caucasians who have small eyes.  not all of my race (caucasians) are that great looking just because they come out white.

 

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