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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 09:18:38 am
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What does it mean to be a good "friend"? Has  someone shown you the true meaning of friendship? Share your story here.

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April 6, 2006, 8:03 am PDT

Being a Good Friend

Relationships in general can be very complicated. Friendships are especially for me. Sometimes you just never know who are your true friends. It's hard to find a mutual relationship, and a bondess that will last in a friendship. What i find most difficult for me is someone of similar interest and someone who puts as much effort in a friendship as I do. I've been up and down with friends that i really feel has been beyond my control. But you can only take it one day at a time and maybe someday there will be someone who understands and can appreciate you. 

 
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April 6, 2006, 6:06 pm PDT

How friends changed my life?

     What i think about friends is that it helps you find your self within the friendship.  

  

     Once, i discovered, that i could really cry infront of a friend. (sound silly?) But i am a very rigid, unfeeling a person that i am afraid to show others, even my own set of friends, of what i truly feel. I was growing up believing that i should not trust any one with how i feel because that would render me vulnerable. And i don't want for others to think i am helpless. Deep inside though i am as weak as a dying tree. It felt empty. But then when i try finally succombing to the close and more honest company of friends that I had never felt so alone again.I can tell her (or them) what my frustrations are, or  those little, amazing moments that happen just as easily. There is that nice feeling of being free atlast from my shell, where i have long been hiding from every one. I learned that I can change. And somehow be also of a help to a friend when they too are in trouble. 

  

     I guess from social, distant friendships that i had i had finally learned how to communicate. It is hard at first. Especially the part wherein I also try to be honest with what i really feel. But God has his own way of doing things, that in time i finally learned to be true-- both to myself and others.  

  

     It is this transforming kind of friendship that keeps me on my feet now, planted on the ground deeper than before. 

 
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April 6, 2006, 11:51 pm PDT

My Best Friend

My best friend is the ultimate best friend.  I would walk through fire for her.  We've been friends now for almost 35 years and although I work full time, I still try to find time to visit her when I can. 

  

She understands a lot of things about friendship and we've taught each other a lot over the years. 

  

I can't have children though and she has 4, all grown up now, but she asked my told my husband once that she was thinking of going surrogate for me so I'd be able to be a Mum.  How awesome is that hey?  My husband is a Remedial Massage Therapist and treats her and her family quite regularly and given the problems she has with her back, if she would have had another child, she would have ended up in a wheelchair.  But the thought was there and to me, just the thought she had made me respect and admire her so much more (if it were possible). 

  

Over the years, she's come to mean more to me than my own family at times.  She's more like a sister to me than a best friend. 

  

What I think is really cool about her is the fact that when we had our own home, she used to run away from her home for a week or two to our place.  She felt it gave her enough time to build up some more strength to go back to the grind again.  I would trust her with my life.  I can just see us when we get older.....sitting on the porch together, looking back on our younger years and laughing at the good times we had. 

  

I love her to bits and am so glad I was so bold and free when I was only 7.  We were at school together and she was sitting on the steps at recess, looking all lonely and falorn.  I bowled right up to her and asked why she was sitting alone.  Her friend was sick that day, so did not go to school, so I asked her to come and play with me and my friends.  She looked at me sadly and said, "What if they don't want me to play with them?"  Then I said, well, they're not my true friends and I don't want to play with them anymore." 

  

We've been together ever since.  I just hope that when the time comes, we both go together cos I can't imagine my life without her in it. 

 
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April 7, 2006, 12:05 am PDT

Don't feel guilty

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I think many of you will have strong opinions about this, but friendship (for me) is much too complex to explain with platitudes - "accept a friend for who he is" etc.  People change, friends change, do we have to accept a changed friend?  Even when change is beyond our control, people change and challenge are emotions to conform.  My friend was vibrant, intelligent, complicated.   She has been ill with a chronic illness for perhaps twenty years, and her illness keeps her isolated, makes her unpleasant, and has psychological effects similar to mild dementia.  For the last five years it's been difficult for me to spend time with her - and I've outlasted all her other friends.  I'm sure she feels abandoned, and some people would agree with her.  While I've tried sticking by her, which really means simply visitng her a few times a year, even the most basic contact with her has become painful for me, because she is only able to speak about her pain, her limitations, her frustrations.  I endured that for the sake of friendship and my sense of decency for a couple of years, but recently I realized that there's no ME in this friendship anymore - it is in no way about me, and she cannot, because of her problems, be a friend to me, so how can I be a friend to her.  My pain and guilt are very real every time I speak with her.  I cannot help her, and I even resent feeling that what was once a friendship has become so uncomfortable for me.  I can't accept my friend for who she is - she is not the person I made friends with.  I stayed friends with her through so many years of difficulty as her health failed, but I've reached the end point, and now, I'd like to feel that I can leave this friendship behind without guilt, knowing I've done my best, but you know - your best is never good enough.... 

I'm sorry you are feeling so guilty about the way you feel towards your friend.  You are right, people do change, but being a friend also means trying to help.  Maybe you could find a group in her area that have the same sort of problems with the illness she has and talk to them.  Maybe you would find that even though you can't be there all the time, maybe this group can and they can all help each other over the rougher times. 

  

I know my Mother has changed over the years and I often get frustrated with her depression and her lack of motivation to try to seek help for it, but I still love her very much and try to see past her "moods".  Sometimes, if I talk calmly to her, I can get her remembering the fun times we all used to have and it picks her up a little. 

  

Sometimes I try to push her into doing things, like giving her the truth hard and fast, making her look at life a little differently, but that never works, so I try to take her mind off her worries and that seems to help a little for a while. 

  

Have you thought about talking to others who may be in the same situation as you?  Maybe they have some thoughts that may help. 

  

I wish you luck with it all. 

 
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April 10, 2006, 12:09 pm PDT

disapponitment

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You wrote EXACTLY how I feel! Having friends is one of life's greatest gifts and it means so much to me. But, you are right. I have yet to find 1 friend who is willing to give all of those things you have mentioned. I seem to have been angry about this topic for years and I'm beginning to see the light, even though it is sad. I have always taken it so personal. Especially when they say one thing and do another. everyone is selfish. So sad..........
 I can relate to how you feel right now.  I think disapponitment does come with having friends. especially those kind of friends  we choose to open our selves up to. No one person can be everything including a spouse. I have spent many years learning this lesson and still get hurt. I am going through a very tough time right now with a friend I have had for thirteen years. I gave her time and space thought it was time to mend fences and found myself on the out and in pain all over again. my daughter described her as spoiled, selfish, self centered and does not understand why I want to continue a friendship with her. me either really. The past has taught me that change with anyone or anything can only start with me. Soooooo, I left a message that I am done hurt is huge. I just know that I do try to take people as they are and for the first time since I was in my teens I am trying to leave a friend behind. It is very hard  But, For that reason I do get hurt. I do get stepped on. But, I also know that if I allowed every time I felt this way to stop me from trying to make new friends I would have missed out on a few friendships I can turn to now when I feel so bad.
 
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April 10, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

i agree with a lot of that

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Sometimes I think being a good friend is knowing when to take a step back and ask yourself what is this person doing to me?   

  

I have always tried to be a good friend to people.  Some of us are magnets for friends who can tend to suck you dry if you let them.  I've enabled most of my friends when they have been in trauma.   I've opened my door at all hours of the night to friends who were freaking out about something.  I have let them stay at my house when there was no where else to go.  I have lent thousands of dollars to friends (I never saw most of that money again).  Sat with their kids in juvenille hall and drug re-hab.   Provided transportation, job references, computer resources.  Listened to endless angst at 3:00 a.m. when I had to go to work at 8:00 a.m.  I've covered up for them when they were being "bad"  (one friend was stalking a guy and doing really weird things).  Ehhh . . .  I could write a book on all the drama.  Friendships start out innocently enough, but they can get a bit lop-sided when one friend is more giving than the other.  I finally realized that I am the problem here.  Enabling doesn't help people.  I try to no longer be an "earth mother" to everyone I meet.   

  

Your friend probably needs more professional help than she is getting now.  I've found that some people actually enjoy being in a funk around their friends because it is getting them the motherly attention they crave.  It makes them feel that people care about them.  The friends who are so giving may be trying to fulfill a need to be needed.    Okay, done with the arm-chair psychology for now.   

  

 I would have to agree with a lot of what you say. I feel I really do set out to be fair and upstanding as a friend. although have to admit I am on here  posting because my friend/neighbor of thirteen years has turned a small disagreement into a so far four months of not communcating. I would be the first to admit she has seen me through my share of bad things. As much as she is capable of anyway. It is all so stupid.  she called here twice  not really for me more like excuses to dial my number. I soften, called tryed to get some wires since I do value her friendship.  I have posted a few times on here trying to figure out what choice I should be making to be a good friend. frustration got the best of me when she  hurt me by more rejection after deciding to call her.She anwsered told me she would call me back never did.. so I have left a phone message that says I am done, would of love to told her in person But she would not pick up the phone sooo,anyway, I still feel like I am not done and would forgive her just because I wonder what it is she is going through. oh well
 
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April 11, 2006, 11:21 am PDT

What to do about how I feel

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I'm sorry you are feeling so guilty about the way you feel towards your friend.  You are right, people do change, but being a friend also means trying to help.  Maybe you could find a group in her area that have the same sort of problems with the illness she has and talk to them.  Maybe you would find that even though you can't be there all the time, maybe this group can and they can all help each other over the rougher times. 

  

I know my Mother has changed over the years and I often get frustrated with her depression and her lack of motivation to try to seek help for it, but I still love her very much and try to see past her "moods".  Sometimes, if I talk calmly to her, I can get her remembering the fun times we all used to have and it picks her up a little. 

  

Sometimes I try to push her into doing things, like giving her the truth hard and fast, making her look at life a little differently, but that never works, so I try to take her mind off her worries and that seems to help a little for a while. 

  

Have you thought about talking to others who may be in the same situation as you?  Maybe they have some thoughts that may help. 

  

I wish you luck with it all. 

I can't speak to groups near her - she doesn't live nearby, and I think she's in some groups anyway.  If she lived nearby, I could probably gather the energy for brief visits from time to time, and I wouldn't feel as bad.  I have spoken to others who understand - other friends that we have in common, all of whom have simply written our friend off as she became sicker and sicker.  To most of us who know her, this is simply what happens.  She got sick.  Well, some of us moved away, lost the interests that we held in common - losing our sick friend is no different than losing any other friend over time, for them.  Maybe there's wisdom in that attitude....I think, though that mothers are different from friends.  I feel and try to do exactly as you do with my own mother-I could never turn my back on her, in any case.
 
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April 12, 2006, 6:23 am PDT

past victim of this

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Not sure who responded to my story because there was no name at the end of it so I will just leave the opening of this quote blank but I did want to respond back.  Your reply may have been so simple so clear and so small to you as you are NOT in my shoes.   Trust me I DO realize I am a married woman and the mother of 6 children (3 of which are mine, other 3 are step-sons) and that is what prevented me from doing anything against my wedding vows.  If I didn't realize that and believe in my marriage vows I'm sure something would have happen between us sexually.  But we both (my friend and I) do have values.   

  

As for your French proverb that says" we can love someone forever but we cannot love him all the days" I definately agree with that but what you said "so love can pass through bad times, but you should not forget the good times with you husband and especially your 6 children that need you and your father near them."  Well I would like to say to that......love can indeed pass you through bad times but 17 years of living with an alcoholic (you ever lived with an alcoholic????) can make the love fade and heart harden some....sometimes breaking a person down past the total love that they once felt for that person.  Don't get me wrong I still love my husband but I do not feel the love for him that I felt before.  I shut myself down in many ways to deal with the life I lived with him as an alcoholic and I'm afraid it probably killed some of the love I had for him.  So I do have some memories of good times with my husband and kids but for the most part when I think about the past I have resentment.... 

  

And your belief that you think I'm in love with my lesbian friend just because we have things in common and she listens to me and my problems is NOT the case.  I am in love with her because I am.  I don't feel you can explain the reason you are in love you just know that you are.  I feel it in my heart, way more then I do with my husband or for that fact more then I have ever felt for my husband. 

  

My future is with my family because for one this woman my friend does not feel the same about me as I do her but if she did and we choose to be together I would not have to as you said "think well before destroying everything I built during many years" because my husband and I didn't really build anything, our relationship while he was an alcoholic was just more or less a co-existing relationship.  Now he has quit drinking and I have decided to stay and try to work things out with him and things are doing better because he is closer to a whole person that can have a healthy relationship then he was all those years ago when he was drinking and was I feel only have a person that couldn't have a healthy relationship. 


I appreciate anyone's opions and would love to hear if anyone else has anything to say but I do want everyone to know the love that I feel for my friend is for real, trust me still feeling it after 4 years so please don't try to tell me it is not.  I wish to have support in what to do and how to deal with it along with issues that I have with my husband our past and hopefully our future together. 

  

Tamitha 

  

 I can relate and understand to alot of what you are saying at least in the past tense. Things in my past definitely are comparable.  I can also tell you that if I did not have a friend who allowed me to feel, and be everything at the time, well, I could have not have reached this ponit. I would never have been able to make strong choices. She was not a lesbian, but it was implyed enough  and I can tell you we both stated to each other a lot if only you were the right sex for me.     It would be perfect. Anyway,  I was prepared to leave Then I read this book called Verbally abusive relationship and decided I was shortchanging myself in my relationship. What can be worse than living in such pain emotionally that you think the next person who can give you thirty seconds of passion can be a solution .I do know that, I would have not been whole had I made a choice to only live for what I thought would make me happy at the time. I also know my relationship of close to 25 years could not have been this good. I am not saying it is perfect my thoughts are definitely more realistic. but I can say I am almost certain that making a sexual act more important than life as a whole will not give you what you are looking for. I hope this helps you In some manner. I really do believe that if you have not move on this it more about the emotion returns that your husband is not giving you.  

 
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April 12, 2006, 5:58 pm PDT

Being a Good Friend

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 I can relate and understand to alot of what you are saying at least in the past tense. Things in my past definitely are comparable.  I can also tell you that if I did not have a friend who allowed me to feel, and be everything at the time, well, I could have not have reached this ponit. I would never have been able to make strong choices. She was not a lesbian, but it was implyed enough  and I can tell you we both stated to each other a lot if only you were the right sex for me.     It would be perfect. Anyway,  I was prepared to leave Then I read this book called Verbally abusive relationship and decided I was shortchanging myself in my relationship. What can be worse than living in such pain emotionally that you think the next person who can give you thirty seconds of passion can be a solution .I do know that, I would have not been whole had I made a choice to only live for what I thought would make me happy at the time. I also know my relationship of close to 25 years could not have been this good. I am not saying it is perfect my thoughts are definitely more realistic. but I can say I am almost certain that making a sexual act more important than life as a whole will not give you what you are looking for. I hope this helps you In some manner. I really do believe that if you have not move on this it more about the emotion returns that your husband is not giving you.  

by the way it was not me who responded first
 
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April 13, 2006, 8:43 pm PDT

A good friend in the middle

I have a very dear friend that for lack of better words has recently fell off of the deep end.  Which in itself is hard to say about someone that I hold so close to my heart.  Our families and children are as close and closer that some relatives; so this situation has hit our family very hard.  And although I feel in my heart that I am doing the right thing it is hard to really know.  So I am here hoping for resolution to my internal battle.  I will try to make this as short as possible.  Over the last year I have watched as my friends marriage has endured alot of ups and downs; most recently there was a mutual domestic situation, of which my daughter was witness to, this was in fact the last time that I talked to my friend when she came and picked up her kids from my house after this situation.  She packed up the kids and all of her stuff and went to a shelter.  In the meantime our husbands are best of friends as well her husband turns to us for support and advice we do what we can to guide him in the right direction for his family.  After about a week she returns home but doesn't want to have anything to do with any of their friends us and our children as well.  We respect this for thier family and give them the oppurtunity to take care of thier issues.  Again after about 2 weeks she picks up and leaves again without a word.  We again are there for the husband to try and figure out what has happened and at least find out if they are okay.  They are again at a shelter, which is completely unneccesary because the husband would have moved out of the home so that the kids could have that stability, but apparently that would not have been traggic enough for her.  The following week after this leave, we do find out that she has taken all of the money from their business, every account is overdrawn, even his most recent paycheck; all of this and she is staying a shelter.  I understand that this would be acceptable in a seriously abusive situation, but we have been so much a part of eachothers lives that this was not the situation.  So we hear nothing for a few weeks other than we are all horrible people to the point that we do not deserve the dirt that we are walking on, and she wants out of the marriage and wants nothing to do with anyone.  She has not let the husband talk to the kids since the first of March of course my children have not seen or heard from them since the first situation in February.  Well once we found out the money situation I was asked if I would help get his books and financial stuff back in order as well as keep him on track as to doing the right thing for the kids.  My husband and I agree that this is something that we can do.  She is of course extremely upset and is making it out the be everything that it is not, which breaks my heart everytime she attacks.  She knows that she left the business days from loosing the licenses need to continue and that I was the only one in thier lives that could fix it.  And that if I was not doing what I am doing that her husband would n'ot have the money to help take care of her and the kids.  All of this time I am giving my best Dr. Phil advice in doing what is right by the kids, they are my motivation, they don't deserve this.  I miss my friend and I understand that things just got out of control for her and she couldn't handle the pressure of a business, a family and a demading husband.  Knowing her the way that I do, she is very self critical in that her self dissappointment is always greater than that of others.  She couldn't face that.  So my dilema:  Am I really being the friend that I think I am by helping the husband "clean up the mess" (as I call it) so that he has the funds to get them out of the shelter and into a home and anything else they need???  To this point is all technicallity, I truly miss my firend and need to know that she is okay and I need to be able to tell my kids that their friends are getting what they need to be okay.  Right now she sees me as the enemy at some point will she see where my heart truly lies??

 

Desperatly seeking some peace.  april

 
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