Topic : 10/01 Jena 6 Continues

Had to quote this one again and would have also quoted the prison statistics one as well.  Essentially, the FBI report shows that the majority of crimes are committed by whites.  The prison report shows that most of the folks in prison are black.  If everything is as equal, even tilted in favor of minorities (Blacks in particular) how and why could this be?  And again I'll ask who WHO is playing the race card? 

r_u_kidding me:  I did click the link that you posted regarding the story you mentioned, but saw only a story regarding a child molester.  He was white.  I didn't read it nor did I weep.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  Tell me though, where was the racist motive in your story? If ther was none, why post it?  What did it contribute here, except to add fuel to an already wickedly burning fire?

Look, there are some really simple facts here and the pages and pages of posts (mine included) somewhat lose the point.  No one disagrees that it was wrong for Justin B. to get the beat down that he more than likely caused - come on folks, he wasn't some small nerdy kid that got picked on.  I think we can all agree that he was running his mouth or otherwise started something he could not finish.  It was WRONG for anyone to hit him, punch him, kick him.  The folks who did that should be punished in the same manner as other violent offenders in similar situations were punished.  Again, the adult white male who cracked a beer bottle over the head of a black student should have been charged more seriously.  Bottle to the head - definitely as potentially lethal as a shoe to the head.  If the DA in Jena was handing out attempted murder charges like it was candy on Halloween night, I wouldn't have been at all surprised by what the kids got for the fight.  But he (the DA) did not. 

All that aside, we are all still posting here and there is some good information being shared but it seems the largest portion is just silly stuff from people who have come here to vent their frustrations over their disappointing lives and to place the fault for their sadness on someone else.

Since this thread is still going strong, why not try to get someting from it rather than continuing the combative discourse that comprises most of the 60-odd pages so far?  Saxxyman?  I think that was your name, willing to try to understand and to have your points understood?  I'm only using your name b/c I don't recall any of the others and may well have gotten your name wrong.  Any one willing to try?  Certainly no one who has posted here has a vested interest in what is essentially a shouting match online with strangers.  If you've got this much time, why not try  to be productive?

I'll start.  Just to try to help me understand this "white pride" thing:  Typically, when I hear "white pride"  I think racism.  Now, I'm not saying that it wrong for white people to be proud.  It's just that it seems those who stand for "white power"  seem to think that they can not be supportive of any other ethnicity and that they must somehow dislike other ethnicities.  For what it's worth, it is October and I am down with Octoberfest.  I have Italian friends.  One of my best friends is Irish and you should see us on St. Patrick's Day.  So, while it is true that "I'm Black, I'm proud!", I'm also proud of other groups.  White pride people, help me understand your side of the coin.

For all those here who point out that hanging a noose is not a crime, you NEGLECT to consider the context of how/when the nooses were hung.   A group of black students sat under a previously "white" tree in protest of that tree being an area that blacks had to ask permission to sit under.  In response to this the nooses were hung.   When used in this context, the Nooses represent a threat. 

Blacks in America have been HANGED from nooses as a sign of "white power"  These nooses were displayed as a symbol of "white Power" in the context that they were used.  It was a THREAT. 

Had a few pieces of rope been hung from a tree with no context of racial threat/response, it would be no big deal,  BUT in the context that these were used they represent the power to maintain a "white only "area via force.  Much like having police dogs defend white only restaurants less than 40 years ago.

It was a CRIME against human rights THEN and it is a crime NOW. 

What's amazing is there was much of white society to argue that it was legal then just as many have argued it is legal now.  Most of those who argue blacks are due nothing seem to argue for the continued "crimes" of white America being allowed to go un punished.

The resulting outcries are the same as blacks have always faced.  Malcolm X and MLK were labeled communists because they refused to allow human rights violations against blacks.

Today those who have spoken out against it have been labeled Bigots or black racists in much the same fashion on this very thread.

It's a shame but it shows that many here are in favor of the rights of whites having the right to a superior position where the economic effects of the past "FREE ride" for whites goes unquestioned because to do so is labeled as blacks seeking a "free ride".

It's funny.  Historically blacks have been portrayed as criminals in America.  This didn't JUST start.  Blacks were portrayed as criminals in the 60's as well even as white society commited the crime of Humanity as a society against blacks..  Blacks are prisoned more often in America today, yet we overlook the crimes of White society in America where the HUMAN RIGHTS of an entire race were stolen for several hundred years.

Blacks are portrayed as violent, yet we overlook the use of police dogs, and fire hoses that was used to keep blacks from equality during the civil rights era.  And we pretend that there is equality today even as blacks are jailed more often despite not committing the most crimes

WHY?

Lets STOP playing the "race" card here - the bottom line is (6) black guys jumped (1) white boy & they need to be held accountable & PUNISHED for the "crime" that they committed. 

Lets face it, if the tables had been turned and (6) white boys jumped (1) black boy, the blacks would "DEMAND"  that the charge be "attempted murder", especially, if a white boy kicked a black boy in the head until he passed out & kept kicking him after he was unconscious. The race card always seems to be used, when it is convenient for the blacks or when they don't want to be held accountable for their actions. Any other time, they do not want race to be brought into the picture and if it is, they scream "racism". 

I think all 6 of these young men need to be sent to jail.  They were old enough to do the crime, they are old enough to serve the time.  Next time, they will think twice about their actions.  There are "consequences" to your actions - you choose the action, you choose the "consequence".  They need to understand that one cannot just go around beating on someone, because a noose was hung in a tree.  Was that right, NO, but it still did not give those 6 black boys the right  to do what they did. 

I don't really care what color or race a person is, STOP using excuses (race included) and start  accepting accountability for your actions. 

Out of curiousity, aside from Dr. Phil's racist guest referring to African Americans as colored people, what else would you have recommended that he call them?   With his racist attitude, you are lucky he referred to them as "colored people" and not something worse. 

First of all I would like to say that it is because of people who act all offended because they are called colored people need to get over it.  That would be like me getting upset over being called "white".  I have no sympathy for "colored people"  or any other race for that matter.  The world doesn't revolve around any one person and your life is what you make of it.  If you act negatively, you are going to get negative responses.  Walking around the world giving all white people dirty looks, or having a strong hatred for someone based on their race because of a comment that one person made is just ignorant.  There are comments made about white people everyday, I see posted on myspace, and various other areas of the internet, Calling "WHITES" the devil, and evil and worthless and what not....Nobody says anthying to these "HATEFUL COLOREDS" for fear of offending the black person.  Worried about being politically correct about everything that is said, to be so careful not to start a war between the races. 

   Two people can walk into an office one black and one white and apply for the same job.  They both go in for the interview....The white guy doesn't meet the requirements but the black guy does.  SO the black guy gets hired.  DO you see the white guy all over the news saying how he was discriminated because of his race????????   Now tables turned, White guy is better qualified and gets the job.  Later that evening you will see how the black guy was discriminated and humiliated and not good enough and the white guy doing the hiring was just the "devil".  I can't stand turning on the news and seeing one more person crying out and rallying because they were mistreated.

    You treat people how to treat you.  If those kids were taunting the blacks with the ropes under the tree.....THAT WAS JUST NOT RIGHT!!!!! But instead of ganging up on one guy, and beating him...because you don't have the ability to go up to him and confront him like a normal human being is not right either.  IF this was the blacks under the tree wearing KKK uniforms and the white guys beat them up.  All you would still see on the news is how the blacks were beaten and treated unfairly by the whites.....

MY GOSH DOES IT EVER END?

The scary thing about your post is that you combine very small semi-truths with some sad arguments.  You look look at a very small picture and base your whole argument on it. If you can't stand seeing "one more person crying out and rallying...," why would you click on the Jenna 6 board?  Sounds like you just wanted to vent, which is your right, but from what you write, you seem to go all over. I have been on myspace and several other places like it, and most often, you have to type in what you WANT to find.....Hello....When I am tired or weary of something, I don't search it out......

I am sorry, but calling someone "white" does not have the same connotations as calling someone "colored." All minorities are not referred to as colored, only black people. What is behind it is important, whether you like it or not. And as far as nobody saying anything for fear of offending, that is b.s. And do you not see that your post is not only high and mighty, but also negative, the very thing you say is what will bring you the same in response?

Lastly, I am again sorry, but the world, at least here in the states, DOES pretty much evolve around us whites......Despite your sad little example, (which by the way has been tossed around for years so it is not even a unique or new argument...) about the job situation, there is NOT an equal playing field out there. As far as your "MY GOSH DOES IT EVER END?" statement Sure, when people take off their rose-colored glasses and see things for how they really are and address them intelligently.

Again, if you can't stand things, quit searching them out.

No, I can't stand seeing all the cry babies out there rallying for the freedom of Jenna 6,  if the coin was flipped in the other direction...those same idiots would demand justice and the full sentence for the white boys.  You can't handle the truth therefore you refuse to see the truth for what it is.  My arguments are sad in your eyes because once again the truth hurts.  I clicked on the Jenna board because "message boards" are a place to voice your opinion, I did just that.  Just because I can't stand hearing about this junk doesn't mean it isn't happening.  As far as MYSPACE...it's not a search engine like google or yahoo.  If you had friends on myspace who post different videos and topics on their profile then Im sure you would run into the materials such as I have. Your only response is...."don't search it out", "quit searching it out"....blah blah blah.  Calling someone white is no different then calling someone black.  There seems to be a difference because if you call someone black........they call out racism........You seem to be to the only one wearing rose-colored glasses and they are so fogged up that you have decided to jump on the bandwagon and pretend that the world is so hard on the blacks.  The wrong band wagon I might add.