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Topic : 10/02 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp Newlyweds, Part 3

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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:04:43 am
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Three newlywed couples in trouble continue their work in The Dr. Phil House. John and Karla, Jim and Kim, and Jack and Danielle all say that Dr. Phil’s man camp for newlyweds is their last hope before they call it quits. Even though they’ve all been married for less than a year, they already believe that verbal abuse, 911 calls and physical fighting is normal for their marriage. Dr. Phil says this group is one of the most dramatic he’s seen -- drinking, threatening to leave, pointing fingers at each other and fighting about ridiculous topics. With intense exercises and tasks, can these couples rein in the juvenile behavior to focus on fixing the problems? Tell us what you think!

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October 4, 2007, 4:26 am PDT

You totally missed the point

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If a man hits a woman, it does not matter what she previously said or did.

There is NO EXCUSE for his choice to commit physical violence.  

 

If a man bullies a woman with threats of emotional blackmail, it does not matter what she has done.

There is NO EXCUSE for his choice to emotionally abuse another person.

 

If a man calls a woman ugly names, it does not matter what she did.

There is NO EXCUSE for his choice to be verbally abusive.

 

When the public becomes educated about abuse AS A PERSONAL CHOICE,  we will be on the same page.   As an educator, and as a parent, I believe we are expected to be role models for decent behavior.

 

Blaming games are not productive.   Ownership of abuse is the answer to "messed up thongs [sic."

I agree that one PERSON should not treat another PERSON the way that moron treated his wife.  His actions were intolerable and grotesque.

 

However, your page is one sided.  Its' like a mob mentality in here.  Where's your sense of reason, and rational thought.  How can you really judge a situation on one episode once again YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATIONI.  I bet if you watched a little more, more of the story would unfold. "Blaming games" are you high?!  did you miss the first two episodes?  The show hints at what her contribution is to the relationship, she is not just a poor little innocent victim! 

 

Once again for those who lack sence or are letting there anger get the best of them, I think what this guy is doing is wrong.  I mean really what kind schmuck threatens to tell a woman's secret to the world.

 

On a personal note regardless weather you think it is right or wrong if anyone (including a woman) hits me, I'm hitting them back!  Unless she is pregnant, you have to be pretty low to hit a pregnant woman, on the other hand you have to be lower to jeopardize an unborn child to attack someone that would knock you on your butt, how foolish.

 

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October 4, 2007, 5:09 am PDT

Fool

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If a man hits a woman, it does not matter what she previously said or did.

There is NO EXCUSE for his choice to commit physical violence.  

 

If a man bullies a woman with threats of emotional blackmail, it does not matter what she has done.

There is NO EXCUSE for his choice to emotionally abuse another person.

 

If a man calls a woman ugly names, it does not matter what she did.

There is NO EXCUSE for his choice to be verbally abusive.

 

When the public becomes educated about abuse AS A PERSONAL CHOICE,  we will be on the same page.   As an educator, and as a parent, I believe we are expected to be role models for decent behavior.

 

Blaming games are not productive.   Ownership of abuse is the answer to "messed up thongs [sic."

The discerning heart seeks knowledge

But the mouth of a fool feeds folly

 
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October 4, 2007, 9:52 am PDT

how much more info do you need?

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I agree that one PERSON should not treat another PERSON the way that moron treated his wife.  His actions were intolerable and grotesque.

 

However, your page is one sided.  Its' like a mob mentality in here.  Where's your sense of reason, and rational thought.  How can you really judge a situation on one episode once again YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATIONI.  I bet if you watched a little more, more of the story would unfold. "Blaming games" are you high?!  did you miss the first two episodes?  The show hints at what her contribution is to the relationship, she is not just a poor little innocent victim! 

 

Once again for those who lack sence or are letting there anger get the best of them, I think what this guy is doing is wrong.  I mean really what kind schmuck threatens to tell a woman's secret to the world.

 

On a personal note regardless weather you think it is right or wrong if anyone (including a woman) hits me, I'm hitting them back!  Unless she is pregnant, you have to be pretty low to hit a pregnant woman, on the other hand you have to be lower to jeopardize an unborn child to attack someone that would knock you on your butt, how foolish.

From your posts, I would guess that you are either in an abusive relationship and seeking excuses for your partner, or, you are an abuser seeking excuses for your own behavior.
 
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October 4, 2007, 10:51 am PDT

There is another Option...

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From your posts, I would guess that you are either in an abusive relationship and seeking excuses for your partner, or, you are an abuser seeking excuses for your own behavior.

He is JACK!!!

You think? lol!

 
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October 4, 2007, 12:59 pm PDT

Thank you so much!

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Anyone who wants to learn the warning signs of abusive, manipulative men must read "WHY Does He Do That?" (Inside the minds of angry, controlling men) by Lundy Bancroft.   

 

I took his list of characteristics (traits and behaviors that suggest a potential problem with abusive/controlling men) and shared it with my high school Health class.   They paid attention.

 

One boy said: "Hey---you're giving away all our tricks!"

 

My response to him:   "Precisely."

 

Danielle and other women will keep attracting/finding sociopaths who use/abuse women unless they learns the warning signs.    Why do you think women find themselves in a repetitious relationship pattern?   Why is there recidivism in prisons/programs for batterers?   Someone is NOT getting it!

 

Let's be smart and know what potential danger looks like.   We know what icey pavement looks like.

We know what dog droppings look like.   We can identify and discern disrespectful behavior, as well.

Let's not step into a problem.

 

Abuse is about CONTROL.   Men try to charm women and buy them things, only to turn off the charm and turn on the abuse later.   C'mon, women!   We are so much smarter than that.    Aren't we?

I think this needs to be put out on every message board we can find.  I have been trying to get this message across since Dr. Phil did the story on Jeffrey & Jennifer & people were actually *believing him* that she was someone acting loose because she has the nerve to speak to men, have friends, a myspace page & want a job.  He was so over the top in his behavior toward his wife it was incredible.  Anyway I've been posting the signs of abuse & giving links to some web sites because I had no idea that people didn't know this stuff now.  I'm in my 40's & I thought as a young adult we didn't know all this stuff but now I thought it common knowledge?  I think it's GREAT that you've shared this with your high school health class and I think that it should be made a regular part of those classes just like sex education has been incorporated.  And you know I think for the most part women ARE smarter than this and that's often why they prey on the young &/or the already injured/vulnerable.  With the case of Jeffrey & Jennifer she was still a TEEN at 19 yrs. old when they knew each other 3 months & he got her pregnant & married her.  Not *one* of her family members were at her wedding & in his words his distrust of her started "soon after we were married"  & she'd been verbally & emotionally abused ever since & basically imprisioned.  They're doing the recap tomorrow & she's actually out from under him but not before he was jailed for breaking his court ordered no contact order.  :)  Again THANK you!  I think I'm going to repost some of it all here so people can see.
 
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October 4, 2007, 1:30 pm PDT

Message Boards

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I can't imagine acting this way never mind doing so on national TV?  Thee people must not have any sense of self respect. 

 

 

Have the message boards reverted bad to the old format for everyone else here?

Yes, thank goodness! The new format was TERRIBLE.
 
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October 4, 2007, 1:33 pm PDT

The symptoms of emotional abuse

This is from the web site

http://www.lilaclane.com/relationships/emotional-abuse/

 

 

Many women assume that if they're not being physically abused by their partner, then they're not being abused.  That's not necessarily true.   You may be in a relationship which is draining something from you -- you might not have recognized that your partner has eroded your self-esteem and happiness.

 

 

An abusive partner will railroad discussions, so that you don't have time to think about what's right and what's wrong in their behavior.

Take a moment to consider these questions.  Your partner might have behaved as though these things were okay, even though it's obvious that they aren't okay...:

Do you feel that you can't discuss with your partner what is bothering you?

Does your partner frequently criticize you, humiliate you, or undermine your self-esteem?

Does your partner ridicule you for expressing yourself?

Does your partner isolate you from friends, family or groups?

Does your partner limit your access to work, money or material resources? 

Has your partner ever stolen from you?  Or run up debts for you to handle? 

Does your relationship swing back and forth between a lot of emotional distance and being very close? 

Have you ever felt obligated to have sex, just to avoid an argument about it?

Do you sometimes feel trapped in the relationship?

Has your partner ever thrown away your belongings, destroyed objects or threatened pets?

Are you afraid of your partner?

 
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October 4, 2007, 1:47 pm PDT

Are you serious?

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Finally, Jack was good man and did not relay the secret, but what I got out of it was that he wanted to know how many men she slept with before him, non of his business.  I bet it's something like she slept with a chick to see what it was like or something more or less that really doesn't matter to the rest of the world but his little mind. I feel it's just a card he uses against her to control her cause she is  imbrassed by it.
Jack was a good man because he didn't relay the secret? Yeah, right, hell of a nice guy that Jack. This guy is such a looser and control freak. It is none of his business how many people his wife slept with before him. He needs to know this why? So he can further degrade he by calling her a slut, whore, skank, whatever? I'm sure he prides himself as a "stud" regarding how many women he slept with before Danielle. But that has ALWAYS been the difference between women having sex and men having sex. I believe people like Danielle have such low self esteem that "drama" is all they know.  I hope she kicks him to the curb and gets the help she needs to feel good about herself. She appears to be a good person who is in a bad situation. Like Dr. Phil said, People like Jack seek out women with low opinions of themselves. He is a waste of skin and I doubt he will change in the long run.  Real men do not treat women like he treats his wife. 
 
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October 4, 2007, 1:59 pm PDT

The Secret?

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NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS......
 
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October 4, 2007, 8:06 pm PDT

Please correct this teacher's typo!

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I think this needs to be put out on every message board we can find.  I have been trying to get this message across since Dr. Phil did the story on Jeffrey & Jennifer & people were actually *believing him* that she was someone acting loose because she has the nerve to speak to men, have friends, a myspace page & want a job.  He was so over the top in his behavior toward his wife it was incredible.  Anyway I've been posting the signs of abuse & giving links to some web sites because I had no idea that people didn't know this stuff now.  I'm in my 40's & I thought as a young adult we didn't know all this stuff but now I thought it common knowledge?  I think it's GREAT that you've shared this with your high school health class and I think that it should be made a regular part of those classes just like sex education has been incorporated.  And you know I think for the most part women ARE smarter than this and that's often why they prey on the young &/or the already injured/vulnerable.  With the case of Jeffrey & Jennifer she was still a TEEN at 19 yrs. old when they knew each other 3 months & he got her pregnant & married her.  Not *one* of her family members were at her wedding & in his words his distrust of her started "soon after we were married"  & she'd been verbally & emotionally abused ever since & basically imprisioned.  They're doing the recap tomorrow & she's actually out from under him but not before he was jailed for breaking his court ordered no contact order.  :)  Again THANK you!  I think I'm going to repost some of it all here so people can see.

   Thank you, and all the caring viewers, for passing the word (but please correct my  typo for "learn")!

 

  With all the informed parents, teachers, and adults who care, we WILL end this epidemic of abuse. 

   Education is the key.  Our kids want and need us to be better role models.  Abuse is learned/unlearned.

 

   Look for Jackson Katz's video:  "TOUGH GUISE."    It destroys the macho myth of violence.

   It addresses the disrespect of women in our culture.  "Real men"  NEVER strike women or children.   

 
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