Topic : Ending Toxic Friendships

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It can be hard to extricate yourself from a friendship gone bad. Share your stories and strategies for handling this sticky situation.

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November 23, 2005, 6:32 am PST

Ending Toxic Friendships

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This is my first post.  I hope I do everything OK. 

  

I put friend in quotes because I can't really say this person is a friend, yet, or if we can really be friends.  I sure could use some advice, because I am feeling pretty crummy about this. 

  

I felt like this lady was Heaven sent, when I met her about 3 months ago.  I had just lost my neighbor, who always cared for my animals and plants when I travel.  This new lady lives very near me, is a retired veterinary assistant, and when I met her I thought "wonderful" - she's a nice lady, I can't have too many friends and maybe I could get her to watch my animals, when I travel.   

  

I asked her right out, within an hour of meeting her, if she would be interested in caring for my animals, and told her I would pay her and what I had always paid my neighbor.  She agreed, and said she'd be happy to do it anytime.  I wish I had left it at that, but instead, I tried to cultivate a friendship with her, and it is not working out.  Not for me, anyway. 

  

We have next to nothing in common, but that isn't the biggest problem.  The biggest problem is our  lifestyles conflict.  She stays up nearly all night, and sleeps until at least noon (usually later) - I am an early riser and by the time she gets up for the day, I am down for my daily nap/rest.  When I get up from my rest/nap, I do any chores, that I have left undone, fix my dinner and then get on my computer (I have a volunteer job, online, which admittedly takes up too much of my time, but I love it).  I am on the computer, unless I have a social engagement, until it's time for me to go to bed. 

  

I guess what it all boils down to, is I have no time to be friends with her.  I put forth the effort before I knew about her habits, and we have had a few awkward moments, like when I woke her at 9:00 am, and she woke me from my nap a couple times (not a good idea lol) and by the time we learned of each other's lifestyles, I felt like if I didn't try to continue with the friendship, she would think, and I would feel like, I was just using her to care for my animals.  Plus she IS a very nice lady. I'd hate to hurt her, but I really resent it when she calls and wants to come over to visit, or just wants to yap on the phone for a while, when all I want to do is work on my computer.   When she comes over and interrupts my compter time, it means I am up until all hours, trying to catch up with the work I didn't get done because we were visiting. 

  

What in the world am I going to do?  I have one animal that is diabetic and needs injections twice a day.  There are any number of people who would be happy to see that they are fed and cared for, but finding someone willing and capable of giving shots is not all that easy.  I'm afraid if I start blowing her off, she will no longer be willing to care for my animals and I travel quite a bit.  All of my children live away and I go to visit at least one of them, every month and am gone for 4 - 6 days.  Boarding my pets is cost prohibitive, not to mention a hassle. and very traumatic for them. 

  

Any suggestions?  

  

  

  

  

  

   

wow, Seems like all you want her for is for her help, but not for her friendship which seems like that is what she wants from you. I mean you need to read what you wrote. the first hour you met her you asked her to watch your animals. That is some nerve. then you get mad when she wakes you up from a nap? I think you ARE using her to care for your animals. You dont want to hear her YAP, you cantbe bothered by her but you want her help. What a one sided realtionship. You want from her but dont want to give to her. I mean you want her help 4-6 times a month. I think you are riude to ask a neighbor for help that much. Maybe if you cant afford to board them then you need to not go. I mean serisouly read what you wrote. wow. I wish this lady could see how you really feel cause I am sure she would drop your ungrateful self like a hot rock! My suggestion,. .... dont travel or board your animals this is your burdon.
 
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November 23, 2005, 2:16 pm PST

Maybe you guys can help me out...

I’ve known my friend (friend A) for nearly 8 years now.  We've been best friends for over 6 of those years.  A few months ago our friendship has been falling apart.  She has been getting closer to one of our mutual friends (friend B) that well to be honest isn’t the greatest example of a friend.  This girl can't be trusted with anything, she will pick a guy over you the second it’s possible (even if it’s your own guy) and very materialistic.  Nevertheless she is a fun person to spend time with.  One day this girl and I got into an argument.  Our argument was about me trying to tell her that what is going on between friend A and myself does not concern her.  Now my once upon a time best friend is extremely mad at me and refuses to talk to me.  We've all done things wrong throughout our friendship but yet I'm the one that’s treated like a criminal.  Every time I try to talk to friend A she refuses to listen and won't hear me out. Every attempt I’ve done to fix the friendship has failed.  I know this could be easily fixed if we could just talk to each other without the presence of the other girl but she refuses to talk to me without that girl being there.  I try to explain to her that our friendship shouldn’t be influenced or affected by somebody else.  Originally this was caused by lack of communication between friend A and me.  Friend B decided to get involved where she should have and it just created this large snowball of hurt that just won’t stop!  Now the trust, which was once very strong, between me and friend A has been completely ruined because she has told friend B and other individuals’ things about me which were very personal and friend A was the only person which knew these things.  I don’t know why she’s trying to get back at me like this.  Every time I try asking her about it she keeps bringing up friend B.  I just don’t know how to make her understand that we've all have a part in this.  I didn’t wake up one morning and decided to ruin the world, at least our world.  I tell her how she's hurt me just to get no response.  She’s not the same person anymore.  I don’t know if I should just cut my loses or maybe try something I haven’t thought of yet.  I just really don’t want to give up on something that meant so much to me before.  Have any advice on this childish feud? 

 
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November 23, 2005, 2:41 pm PST

Best Friends?

I have known this "BF" since elementary school.  We became distant after she introduced my now fiance to me years ago.  I admit that I have'nt been with her as much as we used to, but she is really difficult to be with b/c our personalities are so different.  She is very materialistic, selfish, naive, and not into the real world.  She doesn' t appreciate what her friends do for her.   She spends a lot of money on herself  and complains that she doesn't have any money.  She uses men until she's bored of them and them dumps them.  It's always her way or the highway.  I don't know what to do with her anymore and I am not blunt enough to tell her the truth. 
 
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November 23, 2005, 6:01 pm PST

Neighbor - pets - friendship??

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wow, Seems like all you want her for is for her help, but not for her friendship which seems like that is what she wants from you. I mean you need to read what you wrote. the first hour you met her you asked her to watch your animals. That is some nerve. then you get mad when she wakes you up from a nap? I think you ARE using her to care for your animals. You dont want to hear her YAP, you cantbe bothered by her but you want her help. What a one sided realtionship. You want from her but dont want to give to her. I mean you want her help 4-6 times a month. I think you are riude to ask a neighbor for help that much. Maybe if you cant afford to board them then you need to not go. I mean serisouly read what you wrote. wow. I wish this lady could see how you really feel cause I am sure she would drop your ungrateful self like a hot rock! My suggestion,. .... dont travel or board your animals this is your burdon.
Is it really necessary that one offer friendship in exchange for the service (which is paid for) of pet-sitting? I don't think so. Do we expect the cashier at the grocery store to be our friends (or vice versa).

I think that the better solution would to just be honest and explain one's time constraints and to say that they cannot spend time at certain parts of the day for conversation or other engagements.

I am a terrible morning person so I am sure to state that when someone asks me a favor. I sometimes do sacrifice some of my sleep time for favors, but I make it clear that it is something that I cannot do regularly.

I help teach ladies how to drive. Many times the only way I know them is through a mutual friend/acquaintance. Sometimes we have become more like friends, but usually the relationship remains more like an acquaintance. I come to the relationship knowing that they need me for something, I offer that something, and when my job is done I am left with all that I expected.


 
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November 23, 2005, 6:41 pm PST

Old friends vs New Me

About a year ago i broke up from a long term relationship in which i was very much a "people pleaser". Since the break up i have learnt to be more assertive. I am finding that my old friends are not happy with me sticking up for myself and not going along with whatever demands they have of me. When i catch up with them, they want to know all the details of what i have been up to and who i have met. They are mostly couples, so their lives are fairly routine and i feel that they get enjoyment from hearing about my new single life. My problem is that i feel that they are judgemental and tell me what i should do in different situations and either approve or disapprove of what i have done. This has made me not want to see them as much, or to not want to share details of my life with them, which is making our friendships more distant. 

  

I feel that my choice is to be the friend they want me to be (the people pleaser who isn't me anymore) or let the friendships go if they can't accept the new me.  

  

Does anyone have any advice? 

 
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November 26, 2005, 7:57 am PST

Toxic Friend with a Friend

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I’ve known my friend (friend A) for nearly 8 years now.  We've been best friends for over 6 of those years.  A few months ago our friendship has been falling apart.  She has been getting closer to one of our mutual friends (friend B) that well to be honest isn’t the greatest example of a friend.  This girl can't be trusted with anything, she will pick a guy over you the second it’s possible (even if it’s your own guy) and very materialistic.  Nevertheless she is a fun person to spend time with.  One day this girl and I got into an argument.  Our argument was about me trying to tell her that what is going on between friend A and myself does not concern her.  Now my once upon a time best friend is extremely mad at me and refuses to talk to me.  We've all done things wrong throughout our friendship but yet I'm the one that’s treated like a criminal.  Every time I try to talk to friend A she refuses to listen and won't hear me out. Every attempt I’ve done to fix the friendship has failed.  I know this could be easily fixed if we could just talk to each other without the presence of the other girl but she refuses to talk to me without that girl being there.  I try to explain to her that our friendship shouldn’t be influenced or affected by somebody else.  Originally this was caused by lack of communication between friend A and me.  Friend B decided to get involved where she should have and it just created this large snowball of hurt that just won’t stop!  Now the trust, which was once very strong, between me and friend A has been completely ruined because she has told friend B and other individuals’ things about me which were very personal and friend A was the only person which knew these things.  I don’t know why she’s trying to get back at me like this.  Every time I try asking her about it she keeps bringing up friend B.  I just don’t know how to make her understand that we've all have a part in this.  I didn’t wake up one morning and decided to ruin the world, at least our world.  I tell her how she's hurt me just to get no response.  She’s not the same person anymore.  I don’t know if I should just cut my loses or maybe try something I haven’t thought of yet.  I just really don’t want to give up on something that meant so much to me before.  Have any advice on this childish feud? 

Krissy, 

  

I'm so sorry this has happened.  I had this same thing happen to me in high school.  I was dumb enough to stick around and let friend B use me.  She wedged herself between me and my friend A.  From my experience, friend B will soon work a number on friend A.  I'm sure she has a whole bunch of former friends that can attest to that.  My advise is to stay out of it.  Right now, friend B is using you, to get closer to friend A.  You are something to talk about and someone to attack together.  I would stay clear.  Let friend B have her.  When the "new wears off" friend A will be attacked as well.  At that time, you may be able to salvage your friendship.  However, it may be gone forever.  My friend and I never recovered from the ambush and abduction.  My friend B also dumped my friend A, within 6 months.  My Friend A suffered the most of all of us because in the end, she had no one.  I wish you luck and I feel you should take care of yourself.   

 
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November 27, 2005, 5:17 pm PST

Distanced myself from one friend both lost two

I had two dear friends from college.  One was intelligent, care-free and still enjoys all of the amenities of living at home with her mom on the West Coast.  The other lives in the South and would be considered very academically accomplished, independent and is always looking to improve herself intellectually but sometimes very Southern.  Finally, I reside in the Midwest have been described as independent and driven.   

  

 

  

  

 

  

For the longest, we were considered The 3 Musketeers.  We took trips together; talk on the phone every Sunday afternoon and celebrated all major holidays via phone, greeting cards and/or presents.  Eventually, the Southern friend starting dating a guy, who she later moved in with  and as you may have guessed, we no longer talk to her as often but as we grew closer to each other.   We were somewhat offended when she would blow us off, somewhere in the back of our minds we knew relationships change and all 3 of us still remain friends. 

  

 

  

  

 

  

The more and more I spent time taking trips with my friend from the West Coast; I began to realize that she was not as care-free as people would be led to believe.  In fact, she found her to be extremely anal.  Her rules and comments began to be more and more annoying and misdirected toward me.  Where I once accepted her impatient, bossy and controlling behavior, I viewed it as something I could no longer tolerate.  She would even berate me when I didn’t return her calls within a certain time.  When I would explain that I was busy or tired and was going to call, she would cut me off mid-sentence to either get off the phone or change the subject.  Every time I came from a trip with her, I felt depleted by efforts to thwart her unnecessary acts boss me around and felt completely exhausted by her need to control my every move, as well as embarrass me with her comments in front of our other friends.

  

 

  

  

 

  

Finally, during our conversations she would often make under-handed remarks about people who sought education or who were involved in various extracurricular activities or committees chalking it off as them trying to prove something.   As a little bit background, you should know that she never finished her bachelor’s and in her thirties, she continues to live at home with her mom and within the past few years helps care for an elderly aunt.  Though, I wonder, why she has never finished her education and why she has never left home, I would never make mention of it or make disparaging remarks to her nor would I  describe a person similar to that in conversation.  I believe friends should encourage on another and build each other’s esteem.   I was so happy to finish undergrad that I sent all my friends (including her) a picture of me in cap and gown.   She, being my closest friend, never congratulated me.  I later completed an MBA while working one full–time job and internship over 3 years.  Though, I would never throw my educational accomplishments in someone’s face, I am very proud of myself and I believe this accomplishment doesn’t make me better than anyone but better than the person I was.

  

 

  

  

 

  

A couple of years ago, I went through a deep depression which was brought on by being relocated to a small town for work (where I knew no one), estrangement from my super overbearing mother and finally, job loss.  I was so overwhelmed with the events taking place in my life at the time (which include taking care of my mother financially), I felt like I was having a nervous breakdown.   Coupled with the controlling behavior of my friend, I retreating and ceased communicating with all of my closest friends.  Including the 2 musketeers.

  

 

  

  

 

  

After about a year, I received a call from her (overbearing) on my birthday, I was so happy to her from and later both of them that I cried and apologized for not communicating with them.    My excuse was that was going through some tough times and isolation was the way I chose to deal with my struggles.  We were all happy to be in touch with one another again and each one of us was single again.  However, what had changed was that I was almost 7 months pregnant and told the one of them in the midst of a deep conversation.  She was extremely happy and encouraged me to tell our overbearing friend.  I cannot explain it to this day but I hid it from the overbearing one for almost a month.  Unfortunately, the day after I left it on her answering machine, I found out my baby, Gabriel, had died.   A day later I went through 13 hours of labor to deliver him still born.

  

 

  

  

 

  

After coming from the hospital, I called both the cell phone and home phone of the overbearing friend to talk with her.  She never returned my call.  I have never tried to call her again.  I realize that she has every right not to return call.   However, after the friendship we shared, I would think that the least I would have gotten was a call or card of condolence for my loss.  After all, I sent her flowers in the hospital when she had major surgery a few years ago.  I truly believe that she is angry for not being at her beck and call and that she is vindictive.  Often, I think it was for the best that we stopped talking.  It could have turned into something really ugly and unable to fix.  Other times, I miss talk to her.  I mostly miss the Southern one though.

  

 

  

  

 

  

We have all been there for each other when I come to talking about lovers, jobs and family, etc.  I think the friendship between the overbearing friend is over but now I feel like my estrangement has compromised one friendship that I want to maintain ----with the Southern one.  Although we talk maybe once, sometimes twice a month, I feel like the Southern one is excluding me to keep from getting involved.

  

 

  

  

 

  

What really hurts is the Southern friend has taken and planed trip with the Overbearing one and hasn’t even bother to invite me.   I know that she doesn’t want to get in the middle.  I certainly don’t expect her to choose however, I feel like our mutual friend IS choosing sides by spending vacations with her and not including me.  She never replied to an email I sent her inquiring about trip she mentioned over the phone.

  

 

  

  

 

  

I’m not sure if I should ask her what’s going on with our friendship or leaving it as it is.   Maybe this is how it should be.  I feel like I have lost two friends instead of one.  What are your thoughts?   What happen with two of three friends stop being friends?  What should I expect of the remaining relationship?   Am I wrong? I would appreciate any advice offered.  Thanks.

  

 

  

 
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November 28, 2005, 3:05 pm PST

Distanced from 1 lost 2

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I'm sorry to hear about Gabriel.  That must have been hard to deal with.  I have had a difficult time in the past, with a lot of unhappy life events back to back.  It is hard to pull yourself back up and I went through a period of isolation as well.  It must be some form of self preservation.   

  

Your 30 year old friend, living at home with mom, may be jealous of you.  She may view you as perfect, that is why she is always trying to knock you down.  She may be insecure.  Your friends may have grown closer during your off period.  It wouldn't hurt to ask your Southern friend what is going on.  She will either tell you, stay out of it or direct you to the other friend.  Maybe you can plan an event and invite both of them.  See what happens.  I hope this helps.  Good Luck, Texmess 

 
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November 30, 2005, 4:21 pm PST

Ending Toxic Relationships

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Thank you to all who answered my question about the Definition of Toxic. I am still sort of unclear as to the blanket definition. It is a such a popular term but the definition seems to be up to the individual labeling the offensive person (i.e. The Toxic Person) which I don't believe to be a fair thing. I could label someone Toxic because I don't like the fact that they don't like pink the same way I do-- I mean, it is a fad description run amok.   

   

   

   

I think that putting the reasons in a letter for a friend with whom you choose to sever contact is an excellent idea. However, please make sure that this letter actually explains the reasons and doesn't just resort to name calling and being hateful. Hurtful, accusatory letters don't make the person you are addressing feel any better.  

   

   

I don't know. I suppose the reason I am so intrigued by this question is that I don't think I will ever have the opportunity to sit and discuss this issue with the person in question because they are unwilling to even entertain the idea of a simple discussion to try and work out the issues. It is very hard for me to get past the idea that someone out there in the world wants nothing to do with me and has nothing but hateful things to say to anyone they can about me.   

   

   

They (this mother and daughter who have hurt me so) that I am toxic, and evil and that I need help. Well maybe I do need some help, but I have never thought of myself as being evil. This whole situation (see my blog http://diaryofabully.blogspot.com/ for the whole story) has caused me so much pain, but I can also say that it has caused me to examine myself very closely.  

   

   

I have gone through and dissected the friendship that I supposedly spent the better part of (as they accuse me) bullying my friend and "underminding her". I can't understand their accusations because realistically I didn't spend enough time with "Danielle" to have time to bully her. We weren't that close, but that makes the situation even more hurtful.   

   

I just need help in dealing with this accusation that she (and her mother) find me to be "an indecent person" for no apparent reason. At least they refuse to give me a reason. Instead they want to talk to all my friends and try to convince them that I am no good, and that I am dangerous.   

   

   

Luckily, all my friends think that she is crazy. I honestly can't see how I have ever offended her in the ways that she claims.  I am honestly trying to figure this out. I know that I am not perfect but I have been able to maintain healthy relationships, and this is the only one that has turned out to be this way.   

   

   

I can't completely understand why it hurts me so, but it does-- and I am still in the process of trying to figure it all out. I am still researching some clinical definitions of toxic friend, but it appears to me that it is a personal definition.   

   

   

If it is, indeed, a personal definition then it stands to reason that a person could make up reasons to get rid of someone else? Most of my good friends, and family have postulated that perhaps Danielle and her mother wanted an excuse to get rid of me as a friend?  

   

   

I have also heard that there are those people who routinely "clean out" their friends list. I have always thought this to be a rather cold and unfeeling thing to do. What ever happened to loyalty? Working out problems instead of dropping a friend faster than a bad habit?   

   

   

I have never been through this before and it is my first experience dealing with all out rejection like this. I am sorry if I seem obsessive or something, but I am trying to work it out and I feel like if I figure it out then I can get on with my life.   

In recovdering from a break up I have discovered a truth that is probably well known but was a whole new thought to me!!!  If I kept running the toxic results through my mind trying to rewrite the history, I found that stopping myself from going through the past and focusing on what I was doing for myself in the now stopped a tremendous surge of energy going into the toxic past.  There are some fancy terms for this.  Cognitive Therapy.  My thinking and dwelling on being a victim was making me a victin over and over again.  Perhaps being sensitive to toxic people will keep me from getting involved with people who are not healthy and mature.  The best to you in your endeavor. 

 
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November 30, 2005, 5:21 pm PST

Ending Toxic Friendships

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wow, Seems like all you want her for is for her help, but not for her friendship which seems like that is what she wants from you. I mean you need to read what you wrote. the first hour you met her you asked her to watch your animals. That is some nerve. then you get mad when she wakes you up from a nap? I think you ARE using her to care for your animals. You dont want to hear her YAP, you cantbe bothered by her but you want her help. What a one sided realtionship. You want from her but dont want to give to her. I mean you want her help 4-6 times a month. I think you are riude to ask a neighbor for help that much. Maybe if you cant afford to board them then you need to not go. I mean serisouly read what you wrote. wow. I wish this lady could see how you really feel cause I am sure she would drop your ungrateful self like a hot rock! My suggestion,. .... dont travel or board your animals this is your burdon.

Well, you're right.  I really don't want her friendship.  This is/was a business arrangement from the gitgo.  I pay her to care for my cats.  I felt perfectly at ease asking her to watch them, because I included what I would pay her, per diam, when I asked her.  I don't consider that any different than someone I just met asking me to trim their Christmas tree, for pay.  I certainly don't feel they should be grateful - the pay is all the gratitude I want. 

  

It is she who wants a friendship, and I foolishly, got myself into it, before I knew we only have about 3 hours of the day to be friends, because she sleeps all day and I sleep all night.  And those 3 hours, I have work to do online. 

  

Oh, and I did not say I wanted her help 4-6 times a month, I said I am gone, ususally 4-6 days a month and that is in a row, not 4-6 times. 

  

My problem is how to get this woman to realize I am not interested in being her friend - I just wand her to work for me for pay, when I need her if she is free to do so. 

  

Maybe you're the one who needs to read my first post again.  :) 

  

  

 

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