Topic : Ending Toxic Friendships

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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 09:20:14 am
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It can be hard to extricate yourself from a friendship gone bad. Share your stories and strategies for handling this sticky situation.

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July 10, 2006, 11:09 am PDT

Re: walking away

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I'm new to this whole posting business, so hopefully I'm doing this right. Thanks for your response. Anyone else who reads my previous post, your thoughts and advice are welcome.

Thank you.
PS- I had also forgotten to write in the original email that, after blowing up at me, she attempted to send a text message to (someone?), which ended up coming to me by accident. It relayed the scenario, and emphasized that although I was upset and didn't speak to her for the rest of the evening, she "didn't care".
 
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July 10, 2006, 11:38 am PDT

just another reason....

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PS- I had also forgotten to write in the original email that, after blowing up at me, she attempted to send a text message to (someone?), which ended up coming to me by accident. It relayed the scenario, and emphasized that although I was upset and didn't speak to her for the rest of the evening, she "didn't care".
Just another reason to let her go!!! That is just like I said would happen in my first response to you. As soon as your back is turned from this alleged friend, she talks about you!   The best thing for you is to let her go.  Concentrate on those other friends of your who are REAL friends.  She is a jerk!
 
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July 10, 2006, 11:39 am PDT

yes, you are doing fine!

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I'm new to this whole posting business, so hopefully I'm doing this right. Thanks for your response. Anyone else who reads my previous post, your thoughts and advice are welcome.

Thank you.
It takes some time to get used to how the boards work but you are doing fine!
 
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July 11, 2006, 2:28 pm PDT

Friend is a control freak

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 I made a friendship in the beginning of college and we have maintained it for close to 10 years, though lately I have felt I am going through motions because we have not lived in the same city for at least 5 years. We talk frequently on the phone, and see each other occasionally for a night out or lunch, etc, if we are in the same place.

Last weekend, I went to visit her for several days. The first day, I realized how much I missed her and felt really on the same page, as she can be warm and funny. Over the next two days, however, though I have been aware of her negative attitude over the years, it became glaringly clear to me in person. She makes frequent put downs about others, is excessively opinioned (to the point that it makes me feel put down if I feel any different than her), and her body language displays coldness (ie rolling eyes, walking ahead if we are going somewhere).

I tried to overlook these issues (even to offer gentle comments or to ask why she feels the need to put others down, etc), but they all came to a head when we were out to dinner with a group of people we had just become acquainted with and she snapped at me in front of them. I didn't speak to her for the rest of the evening and returned home the following day.

After several days she sent me a half hearted apology via email, indicating that although I had annoyed her over the weekend, her biting comment at dinner was unwarranted.

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but I am now understanding why she has told me about so many other volatile relationships she is involved in, with both female friends and male partners. Frequently she tells me that they stop calling or cut off contact, etc. I think I may have to do the same. I do not know if I am being irrational, and if it is time to go, do I walk away quietly, or tell her outright why I've made this decision?

I have other strong friendships and have never had such a situation in my other relationships

Thanks!
This "friend" sounds like a control freak. She believes her opinions are the only correct ones, she is perfect, and everyone else sucks. Hmmm doesn't sound like a very valuable friendship!
It sounds like you are just done with her now, this was the last straw, and I think that is totally reasonable. No, you are not being irrational at all!! She is the one who obviously doesn't value your friendship enough to treat you with respect. She didn't even treat you with common courtesy that you would give to a stranger!
In analyzing this friendship, you can clearly see that it is her and NOT you. You have simply grown apart- you have matured and she hasn't, and it is time to go your separate ways. Sure, it is sad, but its even sadder to allow the friendship to continue and keep being treated like dirt. You don't deserve that. I wish you the best!
 
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July 16, 2006, 8:55 am PDT

why I am toxic


I am going through a bad patch in my life. I keep attracting victimy type people into it.
The kind of friends who use me to dump their problems on, at the time I am supportive
but in the end they seem to drain me. I end up looking like I am the bady, because I stop giving them my support.

Seeing that I am in a bad point in my life I thought that is was jealousy on my part, but I think
it runs deeper. I think these people see how little I have and think that they are my only friend and
like the importance they seem to have in my life. As I seem to be always free when they call, because I dont have a boyfriend of  large family or other major things going on in my life.

I feel like I have resigned myself to being  second best . I know that for my future mental health I need to end these relationships and concentrate on improving my life. My success in life would mean having to change the relationships I have with these people.  I am afraid of being completely alone, as most of these "toxic" relationships exist with most of my friends. As I dont have strong bonds with my family  and rely on my friends to the point where I appear needy.

I am a young adult and fear that if I do not make myself into the person I want/ need to be now I will ruin my life. I think that if I had a stronger foundation built my my family (extended, as i am an only child)who live too far away and wasnt plagued with teenage depression (past). I could handle the,
belittling I recieve from my friends, as they want to keep me in place, which is the pathetic friend who hasn't got her life sorted..


The reason that I havent ended these relationships is that my friends have more going for them in their lifes and would think that I  am just jealous. They would make it out that they were the victims to bring excitement to their lives. We went to the same school and now are in the semi real world and I have realised how different we are. They are more privledged and I don't think they appreciate how much I have had to over come to work to achieve what I have done. They talk over me and ignore me also. I used to think that this was because of how I carry myself, but have experienced a good level of respect form people I lived with in college, which had lead me to believe that it wasnt a result of  how I carry myself.

To sum up I fear being made out to be a bad person. Having to start building my life again, while they flaunt their success as some sort of revenge for me ditching them.  Though associating with them is eating at my soul. I need advise on how to buid my life up, if I decide to let go.
 
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July 19, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

I hear you

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I am going through a bad patch in my life. I keep attracting victimy type people into it.
The kind of friends who use me to dump their problems on, at the time I am supportive
but in the end they seem to drain me. I end up looking like I am the bady, because I stop giving them my support.

Seeing that I am in a bad point in my life I thought that is was jealousy on my part, but I think
it runs deeper. I think these people see how little I have and think that they are my only friend and
like the importance they seem to have in my life. As I seem to be always free when they call, because I dont have a boyfriend of  large family or other major things going on in my life.

I feel like I have resigned myself to being  second best . I know that for my future mental health I need to end these relationships and concentrate on improving my life. My success in life would mean having to change the relationships I have with these people.  I am afraid of being completely alone, as most of these "toxic" relationships exist with most of my friends. As I dont have strong bonds with my family  and rely on my friends to the point where I appear needy.

I am a young adult and fear that if I do not make myself into the person I want/ need to be now I will ruin my life. I think that if I had a stronger foundation built my my family (extended, as i am an only child)who live too far away and wasnt plagued with teenage depression (past). I could handle the,
belittling I recieve from my friends, as they want to keep me in place, which is the pathetic friend who hasn't got her life sorted..


The reason that I havent ended these relationships is that my friends have more going for them in their lifes and would think that I  am just jealous. They would make it out that they were the victims to bring excitement to their lives. We went to the same school and now are in the semi real world and I have realised how different we are. They are more privledged and I don't think they appreciate how much I have had to over come to work to achieve what I have done. They talk over me and ignore me also. I used to think that this was because of how I carry myself, but have experienced a good level of respect form people I lived with in college, which had lead me to believe that it wasnt a result of  how I carry myself.

To sum up I fear being made out to be a bad person. Having to start building my life again, while they flaunt their success as some sort of revenge for me ditching them.  Though associating with them is eating at my soul. I need advise on how to buid my life up, if I decide to let go.

Hi,  

   

I hear you. It's like I'm reading the story of my own life. My advice to you is get out of those toxic relationships. Dr. Phil always says: "How is that working for you?" It's not, is it?  For me it was not working, so I got out of those toxic relationships and started looking for friends that I could really  

call "friend". People that do not only want to be around me to dump their problems on me, but people that I can talk to also. It has been an emotional rollercoasterride, but it has definitely been worth it. I'm in a much happier place right now. I'm still a bit worried about attracting people that dump their problems on me, because I'm a very caring person. I want to help people. I know it's not good for me and I listen to my family, that I'm very close to, for their encouragement and advice. Because I understand and have gone through the draining experience of people dumping their problems on you. Get out of those friendships. It's not worth it and it will never be worth it. I can guarantee you that. You maybe have a great night out or something with those so called friends and than all of sudden the atmosphere changes and again you're at the receiving part of their problems and sobstories without them listening to you. Start looking for people who deserve to be around you. I wish you the best of luck!  

 
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July 21, 2006, 12:01 pm PDT

identifying and dealing with a toxic friend

  Here's my story....I've been involved in a 25 year friendship that seems to be getting more and more toxic.  My friend has made some bad choices in her life, and is married to an abusive, alcoholic husband.  She tells me that I'm the only person she can talk to who isn't judgmental and listens to her (I've told her she needs therapy). She has left her husband on several occasions, but always seems to reconcile with him (to make matters worse her co-dependency affects their three children).  She also comes from an abusive childhood home, left home when she was a teenager, never finished highschool and had her first child when she was very young.    

  

In the meantime, I've had a pretty good life, my husband is wonderful and my family and is loving supportive.  I suppose I feel that I owe it her to be supportive and caring, because she doesn't have that.    

  

The problem is that she is bossy and controlling and expects me to be at her beck and call.  She makes "subtle jabs" at the way I am raising my son, the way I clean my house, the way I planted my garden, my driving, the way I decorate, etc.  We have talked about this and she says she feels comfortable enough to be honest with me because we are "sisters".    

  

Recently I underwent a major life change and undertook an enormous project that exhausted me mentally, emotionally and physically.  When I asked for help she was unavailable.  She is now undertaking a similiar project and expects me to jump when she calls.  

  

My husband says I shouldn't worry about this because my friend and I live 6 hours away and we only see each other a couple of times a year; but, is that too much?  

  

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July 26, 2006, 6:33 pm PDT

How do you survive after ending a toxic frienship?

I ended a toxic frienship a few months ago because I felt my fiance and I were being taken for granted.  Our phone only rang when this couple needed something.  Also, if we were at the movies with this couple, one of them was constantly texting other friends, and if we were at a restaurant, they were constantly on their cell phones.  I just had enough and ended our friendship.  

  

What I'm confused about now, though, is that I miss them.  I think it's more because when my fiance and I go out, we're alone now.  Not that I don't like being alone with him, but I do miss having friends around.  The rest of our friends are married and have children, and it's not easy for them to get out as often as we'd like.  I am too shy of a person to go out and make conversation with people I don't know.  How do I get past this friendship that has ended?  

 
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July 28, 2006, 8:37 am PDT

Ending Toxic relationships

 I know this is an old post but I am know going through a friendship "break-up" that I need to vent about.  There is a friend whom I've known for 11 years. We became good friends because our mothers were good friends. The friendship started off cool but I noticed some "red flags" that I chose not to address because I had no intentions of being around her enough for them to matter.  But over the course of years (we were neighbors) I found it difficult to be in her presence without feeling drained and irratible no matter if it was every week or every 6 months. She comes off as needy, paranoid, insecure, and is always the victim of some wrong doing. Every one has bad days and issues to overcome so at first I tried to rationalize things in her favor in of judging her. She's was married to an alcoholic who drained her and she passed that energy to me. When I've finaaly had enough and decided to lessen my availability and contact with her- her husband commits suicide..She had already cut off her famliy, had no other friends, so naturally I was suppose to be her anchor of support. The problem is that my frustration with her and her husband both (R.I.P.) took me past any ability to do that with zeal. I don't want to be a bad person by leaving someone alone in the middle of a tragic situation, but I can no longer force myself to deal someone who drives me nuts. The more distance I try to put between us the more persistant she becomes. I accept responsibility for not being more blunt with her in the past which I'm sure contributes to her behavior but she always seemed to be going through something that kept me from being mean to her. There never seemed to be a good time to walk away. How do I reconcile doing what's best for me and getting past the guilt of abandondoning someone who has no other friends? 
 
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July 29, 2006, 9:06 am PDT

Ending a long standing friendship

I've always believed that friendships should last as long as people do, because we're all in this together, and there is almost always someone with whom you can bare your soul and always know that you are safe with them. 

  

My "best friend" has gotten herself involved with some stuff with which I completely disagree.  She became involved in a religious cult about seven years ago and has gone to the deep end, and has not been as much of a friend as she has spent more and more time with these people.  She doesn't see them as dangerous as I do, and she has been brainwashed enough at the same time that she follows their precepts to the point of exclusivity of other things.  When her mom passed away last year, she used her newfound "faith" to get her through, but I was there as much as possible for her, to the exclusion of other things in my own life just to make sure she made it through. 

  

Six months ago, she began to correspond with this cult member 500 or so miles away (she's in Massachusetts, he's in Kentucky) and became utterly infatuated with him over that time.  Please understand, she has never met this guy--he just shares her radical views--and yet she announced to me just a few days ago while we were on a trip together, that she was going to marry him when she went down to Kentucky for 10 days to be with him.  There was no advanced warning, other than her 1 hour phone calls to him every single day at least two times a day, and that was about it.  So I got mad with her.  I said she was going to marry a guy she'd only known 6 months just because he believed in the same radical concepts as she did, over listening to the advice of a friend she'd had for over 20 years.  I told her if she married him, she was a fool, and that if she did, it was the end of our friendship completely. 

  

I've felt for some time that our friendship was largely unequal.  While monetarily I was not equal, when I've had money, I've been more than generous, but the main part is for the past 20 years it took a significant effort to maintain a friendship with her, and I was almost always the one who did the work.  I lived away for awhile, but I called several times a week, I wrote, I visited, and at one point, I even paid for her to come and visit me where I was.  I was always the initiator of things, and now, looking back over the course of those years, I find myself wondering where her contribution to the friendship was and not liking what I see in terms of reciprocation. 

  

But now, she has decided her new found cult views are far more important to her life, and that anything outside of that sphere of influence is expendable, even though she doesn't say it out loud.  But after last night, I am done trying to maintain what has become for me something that takes up too much of my precious time and life when I fear there isn't any true friendship coming from the other half of it. 

  

I am not happy I have had to do this, but I fear that it was coming now for some time, and while I have made excuses for her in the past, my own level of energy and health has deteriorated to the point where I can only keep up with those things which keep me going, and don't drag me down. 

  

It is not a pleasant thing to do with someone you care about, but if they are awakened by your pronouncement at all and want to try to save the friendship, it is on your terms, not theirs that such a measure can come about.  Do not accept them back into your life if they are not willing to put the same time and energy into the relationship as you have put into it for the much longer time.  If they try to make it status quo, it is time to say goodbye permanently. 

 

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