Topic : 01/01 Mama Drama

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(Original Air Date: 10/03/07) Hating your own mother is hard to imagine, but today’s guests say they want nothing to do with the women who gave them life. Dr. Phil speaks with feuding mothers and daughters. Nineteen-year-old Megan says her mom, Tracy, is nothing but her egg donor. Megan has been singing since she was a child and is now a rising star in the music industry, but she says all she wants is for her pushy stage mom to butt out of her life. Tracy says Megan’s record deal is the worst thing that ever happened because it turned her sweet daughter into a stereotypical rock-and-roll singer who’s into sex, booze, drugs and rebellion. Can this relationship be saved? Then, Carrie calls her mother, Sarah, the “spawn of Satan.” Carrie wrote a book about Sarah’s real life near-death experience at the hands of a serial killer. Now the mother and daughter are fighting over who owns the rights to this compelling page-turner. Will they heal their relationship so that the book can get published? Talk about the show here.

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January 6, 2008, 12:11 pm PST

Been there too

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I will definatly be watching the show because I feel that mom and I can learn alot from it and know that we aren't the only ones who dont get along. I am the oldest of two children between dad and mom and ever since their divorse my life was hell. I knever felt close enough to my mom where I could tell her what was on my mind. I grew up supressing my feelings towards my mom and finaly I had hit the enough was enough when I was seventeen. I remember even as a child there was nothing I could do to be loved more. I used to colour outside of the lines in grade 3 and one time I remember my mom telling me my brother was going to do better then me in school.. I remember that moment like it was yesterday. Ever since then I just kept my feelings to myself because I had no one to tell them too. To this day there are things shes done to me she will never do to my brother and now she wants to raise my son. My husband died last year and I cant even open up to her all the way because everythign I say and do is judged. She hates my inlaws she treats my loss as a divorse I live with her because the cost of living is high and I am going back to school. She does help out with my son but we just get along like we should.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I was widowed with a young child too, a few years ago now. Similarily my relationship with my mother was much the same as your own. I also had first-hand experience of what it felt like to be the "lesser" child. (Whatever a young child can do to earn/deserve such a title and all that comes with it, I'm still not sure to this day.) I understand that finances will be difficult while you persue your education; however, I'd urge you to be very careful. The cost of staying in her environment could be high , both for you and your son. I know you want a childhood for him that includes colouring " outside the lines" if he chooses. You mentioned "she" hates your in-laws. Surely it's your feelings about them that matter ultimately; especially if they could be of financial assisance, or provide alternate accommodation. With a young child to bring up alone, and a spouse to grief, you need all the hugs you can get.I hope you have friends in your world to give them freely and often. Good luck.

 
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January 6, 2008, 4:57 pm PST

I am sorry for your loss

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I too walked away from my parents for three years.  All due to the curse of alcoholism...which by the way is a disease of ones body, mind and spirit.

 

All the awful parts of my childhood and life have come from that one single ingredient...alcohol.

 

Alcohol I would say, should be listed right up there with crack, cocaine, herion...for it will take hostages, sometimes, permanently.

 

I too have horrific stories that still sometimes creeps into my sleep space.  Yet I can't allow it to control my life as it once did my parents.

 

I perhaps was luckier than yourself, for both my parents gave up drinking almost about 25 years ago when they found Our Heavenly Father.

 

It wasn't in time to save my siblings, yet perhaps it will make a difference with my grandchildren and perhaps their grandchildren and such as well.

 

I have chosen to not hold onto the scars of yesterday and I am able to do this simply due to the fact that I went outside of the box and tried to understand how my parents chose to be who they played themselves out to be.

 

What I discovered was:

Both of my parents are deceased now and I miss them!

 

Mothers role model to the daughter, who and what they are to be in the world.  What things they need to accept, or not, and what types of guys/girls are acceptable or not, by the choices they make.

 

Fathers role model to the daughter by the behavior to the mother and them...what type of behavior is acceptable or not.

 

Daughters that aren't aware of this; "monkey see, monkey do," kind of action; generally marry men quite similar to their dad, even if they didn't particularly like how dad was in the world...because simply as children we don't know that our parents aren't all knowing...we copy that which we don't understand as well...

 

Fathers also role model to the son, how he is to be in the world.  If the daddy/step daddy is an alcoholic, and uses alcohol as a crutch in life, the dad has a 50% chance that his son will manifest the same trait...

 

The father also has a 100% assurance that his son will manifest one of the "Adult Children of Alcoholic Parents," syndrome of any of the addictive behaviors...such as RAZOR'S EDGE BEHAVIOR; drug addiction, worry, work, eating, anger, paranoid thinking, depression, abandonment issues, saddness, shopping, gambling, sex...etc., etc., etc... 

 

More later

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

You said your parents have passed and now you miss them. I was doing an on line search ...that is how I found out my father  and stepfather were dead. I have not had a relationship with my mother for such a long time. Family does not have a strong meaning to me.

 

Yes, my only child died four months ago. I did not tell my mother; I do not have any contact with her. She is not mature enough to deal with the crisis.  She would not be able or capable of assisting me in any way.

 

I have never had family support in the past it is easier for me to accept what never was than for someone who has had the emotional support of a mother and father. I did not marry like my mother and I broke the chain of abuse. I escaped and I am not looking back.

 

 

 
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January 7, 2008, 9:47 am PST

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The book is entitled The Eyes of a Stranger and will be on the shelves later this year. I will post it here when it is out. Thanks

I do not think you should publish this book without your mother's support and blessing. Instead I think you should work to get your mother's support and blessing before you publish this book. I hope competent professionals could help you resolve your differences.

 

If you publish this book without your mother's support and blessing you could be viewed as exploiting the woman who is both your mother and a, probably seriously traumatized, serial killer victim. I believe our society has much sympathy for both aging parents and criminal victims. The public's view of you may not be as positive as you would like if this book is published against your mother's wishes. (Actually while writing this I realized this may be just another version of the exploitation games that are often used to victimize the elderly and otherwise challenged people in our society  - is this bingo?)

 

I have read a number of true crime books by best selling authors. I believe these experienced authors show much empathy and concern for crime victims. Deviating from these authors example may put you at risk for public condemnation. Therefore I believe working with your mother to resolve your differences before publishing this book is the best approach.

 

All of this raises an interesting question. Was being on the Dr. Phil show more about selling books than resolving this problems?

 

 

 
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January 7, 2008, 3:16 pm PST

I tried that.

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I do not think you should publish this book without your mother's support and blessing. Instead I think you should work to get your mother's support and blessing before you publish this book. I hope competent professionals could help you resolve your differences.

 

If you publish this book without your mother's support and blessing you could be viewed as exploiting the woman who is both your mother and a, probably seriously traumatized, serial killer victim. I believe our society has much sympathy for both aging parents and criminal victims. The public's view of you may not be as positive as you would like if this book is published against your mother's wishes. (Actually while writing this I realized this may be just another version of the exploitation games that are often used to victimize the elderly and otherwise challenged people in our society  - is this bingo?)

 

I have read a number of true crime books by best selling authors. I believe these experienced authors show much empathy and concern for crime victims. Deviating from these authors example may put you at risk for public condemnation. Therefore I believe working with your mother to resolve your differences before publishing this book is the best approach.

 

All of this raises an interesting question. Was being on the Dr. Phil show more about selling books than resolving this problems?

 

 

I wrote this book because my mother WANTED me to write it. She has wanted it written for years. When I finally got it done, she wanted to sue me because she wasn't promised 50% of the profits. I wasn't ever trying to completely keep her out of it. If that were the case, I would not have used her name or pictures. So, no, it was never my intention to exploit her.

Also, I went on the show with the hope that Dr. Phil would make her understand that there are no guarantees on the money issue. Instead, she just said she would only settle for 50%. So, my thought is, if the book only made $2,000, where does that leave me? Stuck with the taxes, agent fees, etc. Not to mention all of the time I put in to writing it. I hardly think that's fair. I would not promise a percentage, but I've ALWAYS been a fair person. She would have seen a fair share.
 

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January 7, 2008, 5:21 pm PST

Future wreck!

The only thing I really felt when the show was over, was WHY CAN'T ANYONE SEE WHAT A PSYCHOLOGICAL MESS THIS YOUNG LADY IS?  Whatever her relationship with her mother is, I can't believe she is so self-destructive and on top of that, she is in an environment (entertainment) that encourages this and I am sad to think this "friend?/manager?" is more like an enabler and is irresponsible as heck re: this girls welfare. I predict that, talent or not, in a few years, she will be used up and addicted and money won't be much of an issue to her, her manager , of her mom.  By the way, who paid for all her training, clothing, upbringing, and who sacrificed their time and energy for her career?  she may not like her mom or her choices, but it seemed fairly clear that her mother cares alot more about her LIFE than the "friend". PS, real friends don't let you self-destruct. 
 

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January 7, 2008, 5:26 pm PST

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I wrote this book because my mother WANTED me to write it. She has wanted it written for years. When I finally got it done, she wanted to sue me because she wasn't promised 50% of the profits. I wasn't ever trying to completely keep her out of it. If that were the case, I would not have used her name or pictures. So, no, it was never my intention to exploit her.

Also, I went on the show with the hope that Dr. Phil would make her understand that there are no guarantees on the money issue. Instead, she just said she would only settle for 50%. So, my thought is, if the book only made $2,000, where does that leave me? Stuck with the taxes, agent fees, etc. Not to mention all of the time I put in to writing it. I hardly think that's fair. I would not promise a percentage, but I've ALWAYS been a fair person. She would have seen a fair share.
It was her experience and maybe she isn't ready to let it go. yes you did alot of work, but she worked hard raising you.  I worked hard caring for my mother for 12 years and the only "payment" I got was her thanks. Sometimes you just have to move on and understand parents are imperfect, but they are yours.  The best thing is to forgive and go on.  When she passes, you can publish your book.  I don't  think it is a gold mine, and her feelings are way more important than the money.  She is obviously more damaged than you are, and the healthier person should take the high road.
 

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January 8, 2008, 5:47 am PST

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I'm so sorry for your loss. I was widowed with a young child too, a few years ago now. Similarily my relationship with my mother was much the same as your own. I also had first-hand experience of what it felt like to be the "lesser" child. (Whatever a young child can do to earn/deserve such a title and all that comes with it, I'm still not sure to this day.) I understand that finances will be difficult while you persue your education; however, I'd urge you to be very careful. The cost of staying in her environment could be high , both for you and your son. I know you want a childhood for him that includes colouring " outside the lines" if he chooses. You mentioned "she" hates your in-laws. Surely it's your feelings about them that matter ultimately; especially if they could be of financial assisance, or provide alternate accommodation. With a young child to bring up alone, and a spouse to grief, you need all the hugs you can get.I hope you have friends in your world to give them freely and often. Good luck.

goodlisnr

 

Your post "hit" home with me and yes, you are so right about staying in that ENVIRONMENT.  At age 40 (now 49, will be 50 this year), I finally realized that both my daughter's (she is 21, only child) father's family and my family WERE NOT CHANGING and I had to make a decision once she went away to college to REMOVE myself from their environment.  As I look back at the tears, the hurt, the depression, the wanting to not live any more, trying suicide once - I don't want that for my daughter!  I have shared with her my experiences throughout my life, both positive and negative in the hopes that I can save her some of the "heartache" I went through.  I had to ACCEPT that she chooses to still interact with both sets of family, but I have to "tune out" the hurt and anger she feels as I told her, IT IS HER CHOICE TO DEAL WITH THEM.  She had made the comment that she wants me at her college graduation in 2009, at her wedding and of course at her babies birth - yes, I will be there, but I REFUSE to ALLOW the family that will be there to CANCEL out the hard work I have done to get myself mentally healthy.  It is possible and I urge everyone to seek out an environment that is healthy for both yourself and those minor kids.  Once they become adults, we have to "let go" and "let them" figure out things for themselves.  Hopefully my 21 year old only child will figure this out for herself and not allow herself to go through what I went throug for TOO MANY years.  Thans for sharing!

 
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January 8, 2008, 11:16 am PST

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I have a change in priorities coming soon which will out priority my writing here. Therefore I may not be involved in this for a while.

 

I want to list one resource that Sarah, Carrie, or anyone else dealing with traumatic stress might find helpful. It is the Sidran Institute. It is on the web at sidran.org. I have found the books I have purchased from them to be quite helpful but I have not used any of their other services. Again I hope this is helpful.

 
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January 8, 2008, 11:16 pm PST

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Puttig aside the abusive, negligent mothers, what the hell is wrong with the rest of us?  Sure, there is NORMAL teen aged rebellion.  We are here to make sure it does not get out of hand...and RESPECT?  Demand it!   We are in an era of being called out of our names, we are ATM Machines for our children, and expected to always be there for them...even when they abuse us...I can't buy into it.  Sorry if I sound hard, but I condemn ANY abuse, be it of a child, or a parent.  Abuse should not be tolerated in the name of "love".  What lesson does this teach?

Take a good look at what is out there today...teenagers are turning into monsters!  Yet, we sit back like wimps and say it's normal!  I'm not that old...and when I was growing up, it was NOT accepted by our parents, it was not NORMAL! 

I keep reading posts that state these kids will turn around one day and be loving, caring adults.  I hope that is so, yet I tend not to believe it.  There is no magic switch that goes off in someone's head, when they have been permitted to treat a parent like garbage, that flips them back into kindness.  Usually, they will either progress into selfish adults, or meet with a catastrophe that MAY wake them up.  It should not be so that our society is accepting of this new breed.  Parents had better go back to being leaders, making and enforcing rules...it's horrible that you allow a child to self-destruct before that child finally becomes human.

Pukey parenting is our downfall.  Being a doormat is NOT proof of love, it is indicative of fear or low self esteem. 

In the 70's, this was not permitted. Not speaking to a parent was a social taboo, unless you were dealing with low-lives.  It would have been an embarassment, today, it seems to be in Vogue to bash your parents, especially your mother. 

I'm proud to say that I never did anything near it.  When my mother passed away, I had the normal grief...just no regrets.  To the smart asses  who think they are soooo righteous in mommy bashing, just know that life holds no guarentees.  If and when you decide that you need your mother, it may just be too late, she may be gone.  The time to show your mother love and respect is TODAY...no one has a promise of  tomorrow, and the guilt may be very hard to overcome, if indeed, it just is too late.

You know I like what you say here in your message.  Just because I was the one who saw that my kids chores were done first, did not allow them to disrespect me and always wanted to know what and where they were.  I was the one whom got the blame for being abusive.  Please read my comment .  I am the one who talks about a mother without my kids.

I did let my ex know that I came from some abuse when I was growing up.  Once I started having emotional problems and finance problems between my ex and I.  Everytime I would discpline my children my ex would step in and under mind me.  He would tell me I was being to hard on them or that I was being like my dad.  That comment really upset me because my dad would be scolding me for something I didn't do or just because he thought I was lying.  When I got after my children it was because they were back talking me or disrespecting me.  My kids loved to yell at me or tell me I was stupid.  My ex always yelled at me and my opinion never mattered.  He always showed didrespect to me.  I never told my kids they were stupid.  I was always their biggest fan.  I always told them when they wanted to try something new that they could do it , keep up the good work.  I never disrespected them.  I would yell at them, but not until they chose to ignore me.  I was real quick to use time outs and groundings.  I always used a spanking or a tap on the leg or arm as last resort.  It was never forceful.  Matter of fact I was one of those that after I had to physically touch my children for discpline, I was the one that was more upset than they was.  Oh yes let me point this out.  I would tap them on the arm or thigh when they were in their teens.  Once they got bigger than me they thought they could treat me any way they wanted.  My ex was never home much.  I was the one in charge of the kids and everytime I would have to get after them and end up grounding them.  I would come home and find them ungrounded.  I got the excuse I didn't remember or I just let them go and play.

My ex and I was never on the same page when it came to raising the kids.  So by reading this message and my other message you will see why my kids stayed with their dad.  He turned them againist me.  I just hope one day they will understand that I was just watching out for their best interest and there is two sides to every story.

 
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January 9, 2008, 6:57 am PST

Your Ex is a passive abuser

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You know I like what you say here in your message.  Just because I was the one who saw that my kids chores were done first, did not allow them to disrespect me and always wanted to know what and where they were.  I was the one whom got the blame for being abusive.  Please read my comment .  I am the one who talks about a mother without my kids.

I did let my ex know that I came from some abuse when I was growing up.  Once I started having emotional problems and finance problems between my ex and I.  Everytime I would discpline my children my ex would step in and under mind me.  He would tell me I was being to hard on them or that I was being like my dad.  That comment really upset me because my dad would be scolding me for something I didn't do or just because he thought I was lying.  When I got after my children it was because they were back talking me or disrespecting me.  My kids loved to yell at me or tell me I was stupid.  My ex always yelled at me and my opinion never mattered.  He always showed didrespect to me.  I never told my kids they were stupid.  I was always their biggest fan.  I always told them when they wanted to try something new that they could do it , keep up the good work.  I never disrespected them.  I would yell at them, but not until they chose to ignore me.  I was real quick to use time outs and groundings.  I always used a spanking or a tap on the leg or arm as last resort.  It was never forceful.  Matter of fact I was one of those that after I had to physically touch my children for discpline, I was the one that was more upset than they was.  Oh yes let me point this out.  I would tap them on the arm or thigh when they were in their teens.  Once they got bigger than me they thought they could treat me any way they wanted.  My ex was never home much.  I was the one in charge of the kids and everytime I would have to get after them and end up grounding them.  I would come home and find them ungrounded.  I got the excuse I didn't remember or I just let them go and play.

My ex and I was never on the same page when it came to raising the kids.  So by reading this message and my other message you will see why my kids stayed with their dad.  He turned them againist me.  I just hope one day they will understand that I was just watching out for their best interest and there is two sides to every story.

I feel so for you.  The worst thing that parents can do to their children, is to NOT present a united front.  He did you, and your children a great disservice.  Please know, in your heart that you were/are a good parent...he was being the overgrown kid...and he took out his issues with you through your children.  My opinion of him, as a man, a father and a co-parent are really unfit to print.  Maybe, please God, as your children become older, and see him for what he IS, they will  turn back to you.  For now, you must care for YOU...and treat them like ICE...put yourself above the abusive treatment, as you do NOT deserve it....birthday cards...don't send them...you'll cry...and cry...and cry some more.  One day, you'll stop, and your dignity will be intact..you'll have yourself back...and if your children realize that Mom is not the beggar at the back door peering through the glass, realize that,  they may lose her altogether...well, the scales may tip, and this power play may be softened by a realization of love ,once the sick game is over.

      When they have children, the light bulb may brighten...and they'll remember who really took care of them..their MOTHER!

God Bless you, and may your ex one day make an attempt to remedy the damage that he's done to his family....please try to give to yourself and start to smile...I know it's hard...but you've done your job...you don't deserve this.

 

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