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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 26, 2008, 6:22 am PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: cherie1955

WOW...what bible do you read? And I rather doubt God cares about your opinion on sin. LOL!
I think your commet about god is rather  offensive, want my opinion EVERY HUMAN HAS THEIR OWN MIND!   if PPL WANT TO SWING    let em doesn't hurt you does it? Is there really a god? YOu have to have faith in that. Where as a lot of people don't we could argue all day about it, Just as everyone can argue that is immoraly wrong to swing but all in all if it is what makes a person happy fine. If you weren't married would you be finding that someone or saying the hell with it stay single and sleep with others? Well hate to bust it but to me Sleeping around the block is the same damn thing as swinging. There fore 90% of america and the world has swung!
 
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January 26, 2008, 6:33 am PST

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Quote From: jjpoplin

I am a 22 year old married woman and I couldn't imagin being  with any other man or allowing my husband to be with another woman. Once you get married you are supposed to forsake all others not sleep with all your friends or any one else. To me the romantic part of my marriage is private and that is something that I will not share with any one else because I love my husband and I took vows for better or worse. I just think that if you are truely happy in your marriage your spouse should be enough for you and if they are not then you shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. If you are content with your marriage then you should not have to turn to others for sexual satisfication. I was always taught that even if you think about what it would be like to be another person, other than your spouse, than that is considered cheating. I just strongly feel that if you are married than you don't need porn, or other people to satisfy your sexual needs.

See your mistaking the whole swinging concept. Listen some people just get turned on by watching porn or watching people have sex. where as kissing on the neck doesn't work for to get them arrosed. I could give a damn if my partner watches porn, because you know at the end of the night hes in bed with me and holds me tells me i beautiful and that he loves me. YES i wonder if he is picturing someone else in bed with him versus me but it doesn't make him a bad person or me a bad person. Hell he has a high sex drive where I haven't since i became pregnate and even after the baby was born it has gone down. So I would much rather him look at porn then going out and knocking down someone elses door to have sex with them. THose in a swinging relationship know that at the end of the session their partner is going home with them. For all those that have had a bad experince with this I'm sorry but if you have a strong relationship when your partner is with you and you only they are totally differen't more sensual then when you are swinging. If that romance dies off in your bedroom and its a wham bam thank you mam' then yeah you  know your going to have issues and you should probably stop swinging. I know from personal experince when me and an old partner swang a full swap once when we got home he was so sensual and it was probably the best sex i had ever had at the point. Even when we went to events or clubs it was totally differen't you have to have good communication and know what is ok and not ok with your partner if you can't respect eachother than your not going to work out anyways. Enough rambilin I cold go on and on
 
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January 26, 2008, 6:43 am PST

Don't kill your conscience

I listen to my conscience in determining what I should and shouldn't do. I don't kill it. I know for a fact that I can find any excuse and reason to justify doing something I really just want to do even when my conscience says this is not a good thing to do. We, as human beings, can do something so long despite our conscience warning us against it , until we at some point no longer hear or acknowledge our conscience because we have shut it down.

 

Often then the question comes up, "What is it I will not do or participate in? Everything starts becoming fair game because I have to feed my desires and have never learned discipline by relying on my conscience as a guide. Please realize there is more to life than what you are doing. My parents always say, A fool is right in his own eyes. I don't want to be a fool so I listen to my conscience, I don't kill it.

 
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January 26, 2008, 6:43 am PST

right on dr. phil

that was  a disturbing show; but i agree with you dr. phil they need help ; any man that gets excited while someone rapes his wife is an abuser and she's going to need help to move forward now that he has broken her trust in him this way.....
 
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January 26, 2008, 6:47 am PST

Wise in our own eyes.

Quote From: mn_rose

My husband and I have been in the lifestyle for about 7 years and I'm convinced that you can only participate if you have a really strong marriage and a base of trust.  I know my husband loves me completely and that allows us to really enjoy sex, both ourselves and with others.  I think we're one of the few couples who actually laugh during sex because we enjoy it so much and there's so much intimacy between us.  And we discovered early that we were both secure enough in ourselves that we could enjoy the company of other couples, intimately or not.  It's been a wonderful thing for us to experience together, and I feel sad for those who are so repressed or injured that they can't enjoy what a truly fun thing sex can be.  Being in the lifestyle also has helped my husband and I to be able to be completely open about sex; I have no qualms about talking with him about any concerns I have or any fantasies I would like to fulfill.

 

And I know for a fact that the other couples that we know in the lifestyle also have really strong marriages or relationships.  Playing with other couples is not about desperation, it's truly about sharing an abundance of joy at the fun of sex and the joy of getting to know others at many levels, not just on the surface. 

 

Who am I?  I'm a mid-40's woman with a graduate degree and a $100,000+ a year job, so I'm a great example of a suburban wife who loves the lifestyle we've chosen together.

Wow, you sound wise in your own eyes.
 
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January 26, 2008, 6:50 am PST

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Quote From: sara2007

I disagree with you. You need to read and think about this commandment THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY. Explain to me how swingers are not committing adultry.
Explain why other people have to live by YOUR religious beliefs. Do you realize not everyone believes in the Ten Commandments?
 
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January 26, 2008, 6:51 am PST

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Quote From: sara2007

I 100% disagree with this lifestyle. I feel that it is just another way for people to committ adultry and make it  an acceptable in society.  I feel that our children grow up really confused about their sexuality when they see their parents living a lifestyle that God had intended on married couples to enjoy with each other behind closed doors. I think that people who have accepted this type of lifestyle are after only one thing self gratification. This can and will destroy families. If we accept this into society it is just another way to destroy  marriage and family. I hold in my family extremely high values. As a mother and wife it is important to me that my children know that my love is kept within the bonds of my marriage. There no way to misunderstand what god expects from all of us when it comes to marriage between a man and woman
How does what other people do in private destroy YOUR family or YOUR marriage?
 
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January 26, 2008, 6:54 am PST

Swingers Show

You missed some important parts. Brett said he wanted the thoughts out of his head. He was insensitive, but his sexual addiction is controlling his life and thoughts. SEXUAL ADDICTION!!!
 
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January 26, 2008, 7:01 am PST

It's already accepted

Quote From: sara2007

I 100% disagree with this lifestyle. I feel that it is just another way for people to committ adultry and make it  an acceptable in society.  I feel that our children grow up really confused about their sexuality when they see their parents living a lifestyle that God had intended on married couples to enjoy with each other behind closed doors. I think that people who have accepted this type of lifestyle are after only one thing self gratification. This can and will destroy families. If we accept this into society it is just another way to destroy  marriage and family. I hold in my family extremely high values. As a mother and wife it is important to me that my children know that my love is kept within the bonds of my marriage. There no way to misunderstand what god expects from all of us when it comes to marriage between a man and woman

Adultery is already accepted and has been for some time...

 

It's tolerated, but not really accepted by most people because of the hurt and poison that seeps into every aspect of the relationship.  Most people have emotional attachments with their sexual encounters, and sex without emotion is mechanical and boring (to quite a few people, anyway).  I think that' why it's the exception, and not the rule in society.  If it works for you, do it, but it doesn't for most people.

 

Sex may not be the star of the marriage, but it's at least an A-list co-star....:)

 
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January 26, 2008, 7:02 am PST

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Quote From: jules1965

My husband and I have been swinging going on 5 years.

My family is aware of it as are my grown adult children, even my MOTHER.

 

I think what shocked my mother (think old school'what would the neighbors think?)

So I went to a popular swing site, typed in my zip code, put in a 50 mile radius and viola, up popped over 500 couples......there mom, that's what my neighbors think.

She was aghast of course that so many people were swinging, not that my husband and I swing.

 

The thing about swinging is, there must be 110% agreement between the couple if they are wanting to try this.

They must be 2000% committed to their MARRIAGE.

They must set clear and unbreakable RULES for swinging, any violation of the rules and the swinging ends or the marriage will.

 

Protect yourself at all times, from pregnancy, disease, weirdos.

Never go with strangers, always get to know the people first (phone, internet, safe place to meet for the 1st time)

 

Swinging has not harmed our marriage whatsoever. We've had 3 somes (MFM and FMF as well as couples MF/MF)

If swinging has done anything to our marriage it has strengthened it, we have more trust for each other, our sex life..........well......just RULES!

 

We are open with each other, no secrets, no lying, the trust is amazing!! If both of us don't agree to a situation 110%.......we leave, simple as that.

 

Nobody can enter our marriage, they may enter our bed but not our marriage. We are a team and will remain until death do us part.

 

Swinging is absolutely NOT for everyone.

No partner should feel threatened, forced, or guilted into doing anything they do not want to do!

 

The couple coming on the show where the wife doesnt want to do it but feels pressure from her husband and is scared he'll leave if she doesn't go along with him.......

Face it, there are much deeper problems than just if his 'needs' or 'wants' aren't met or she doesnt do what HE wants to do.

 

Some people are not into swinging nor ever will be. It isn't right for everyone. (though the numbers are so high that fact has room for argument!)

 

One thing swinging has given us is a much deeper understanding of each other, has enhanced a very wonderful sex life too.

 

Mind you, this isn't an everyday thing or we spend time cruising, we're part timers......if we find a nice couple fine, if not, fine too.

Its been a year since we swung but we move across country and have been busy....if the mood strikes we'll search for like minded adults and see where it goes......our lives are not consumed by swinging, only positively enhanced  our marriage, IN and OUT of the bedroom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You said, "We are open with each other, no secrets, no lying, the trust is amazing!!"

 

My husband and I are not swingers and we have complete trust, no secrets or lying either.  We have always talk openly about sex from the very beginning. It doesn't take swinging to give you trust in your marriage. Trust should have been developed during the dating process. You should never marry someone with whom you do not have complete trust.

 

It's sad that you think this. Healthy relationships don't require extremes to prove that they are healthy.

 
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