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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 25, 2008, 10:53 am PST

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It's funny that your husband had no problem with you sharing your body with this other man, but the minute you reported to him that this man wanted to take this relationship beyond the physical and you responded by trying to put a stop to it, he decided to leave you.  Was it because he was more invested in the other relationship then he let on and when you called a halt he wanted to continue to see the other woman and he is still involved in this relationship or was it because he was naturally insecure in your personal relationship and took this as a symbol of your infidelity.

 

So now you need to ask your husband to go to counselling with you and you can at least attempt to pick up the peices of your marriage.  If he won't go then you need to go and figure out where you go from here and how to enter into a healthy relationship in the future.  Hope is not going to fix what is broken in your life and until you find out why he felt so threatened by another man caring for you then you cannot move on.

 

I am not a swinger.  My husband and I joke about our crushes on other people (celebrity or acquaintences) but neither one of us has ever acted on those and we never would.  But sometimes we will dress up and role play to give us a boost from the ordinary and move our relationship to hotels ect so that we can act out a role.  Swinging couples that want to "see" other couples and singles do so out of a desire to spice up their own personal relationship.  But we are not animals without feelings and we are all vulnerable to petty jealousies and wants that can be more harmful to the couple and the other couples then we can forsee when we start out on a course of action.  A lot of the couples that are swingers post that it is okay that sometimes they develop feelings for one or both people in another couple.  That if this is handled in an honest and straightforward manner that you can strengthen your own relationship.

 

Maybe that is true but I have found that when you add sex and feelings to a relationship then you become a couple.  And in every relationship there is only room for one couple and then a number of acquantences that you have a casual relationship with.  If I found out my husband was having a sexual and emotional relationship with another person (man or woman) then I would feel cheapened and thrown aside for someone else.  That is human nature.  We form a bond and get married because we have a desire to be with this one person and the need to declare it to everyone.  Too many people get married out of a desire to not be alone.  No one should ever be trapped in a relationship because they would rather be ill treated by someone else then have to look at your own face in the mirror every morning.  My aunt has had 8 marriages.  She leaves because she is not "happy" and she is sure she will  be much happier with her next partner.  She has left devestation in her wake with ex-spouses, ex-children, ex-inlaws, ex-friends and always this new person will be better.  Maybe swingers think because they are only having a physical relationship with the other people nobody gets hurt.  And for them maybe this will work.  Instead of getting divorced they spice up life with a new role playing act.  But you don't know the other couple that you are "playing" with and what will tip this into a freefall.  Maybe the wife is sure that you like the husband better and she starts a smear campaign against you, or your or their children find out which causes problems beyond anything you could possibly imagine.  Every relationship can cause us to be hurt, so think carefully about every action because the future is so precarious.

 

You had some very valid points.  That is why communication before and after starting this is so important, as are bondries.  I am glad to see that your husband and you do the things that you do to spice your sex lives up.  I know a lot of people that think that type thing is horrible but at the same time complain about their partner sexually.  People should be open minded, and that's not necessarily talking about swinging, and there would be a whole lot less divorces and unhappy marriages.  It has always amazed me when people will tell me they have fantacies that they cannot or don't feel comfortable telling their spouces (these are not couples in the swinging lifestyle either).  This is the person you are spending your life with, your best friend or atleast should be, if you can't relax and trust them enough to tell them, then you have huge problems.
 
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January 25, 2008, 10:54 am PST

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Quote From: christab

I bet the swinging couple you feel "offended" by, is more secure in there relationship than you and your spouse are in yours.

 

The only reason I say that is because I takes a tremendous amount of security to indulge all your fantasies...especially when they go against the grain, and still have a monogamous relationship.

 

I do not swing myself, I am a jealous personality type, but I could see how some people could get into it.

 

More power to 'em. If they like it...I love it for 'em!!

Honey,

I am perfectly content and happy and SECURE with our marriage.  When I indulge in a fantasy....I am thinking about my hubby.  There is something to be said about great sex and fantasies.  I would never dream of having that with others.  We belong together.....there is also something to be said about the sanctity of marriage.  They are going out of the boundaries.  It just isn't right.  I am in total love with my husband and he is with me.  We have been through thick, thin, fun, kids, not so fun, etc.  When I say that they offend me....that is what I mean.  They do not have a marriage.  It is nothing.  There is no love there.  How dare them.  And, what about the children they bring into this.  They are screwed up in the head and anyone that believes that this so called "life-style" is alright needs their heads examined.  WHAT A CROCK OF BULL!!!!!   They cannot be happy.  They are PIGS and WHORES.  Thank you.

 
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January 25, 2008, 11:00 am PST

You have a sense of humor, but where's your tolerance?

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Okay call me closed minded or insecure!!! I think this is dirty and a sexual disorder.  So we are even.

 

I am not insecure b/c i know my hubby is with only me and he is safe too b/c I am with only him.

 

We aren't prudes, we experiment, but only with each other and not with porn or anything dirty.  I guess running a family and busy lives leaves not a lot of time for sex, so we are just darn happy to get naked for a few minutes together.  I cannot imagine scheduling in other partners (gross to that).

 

Yep, I am judgemental.  When I see something my mind says according to my beliefs and experiences in life whether or not that is good or bad.  This is bad according to my beliefs and life experience. You are judgmental too, we all are.  I don't like that term being used as a derogatory term.  We all judge everything.  You may be a good teacher, lawyer, doctor, etc. but when it comes to home and family I think having multiple partners puts that at risk.

 

Anyway, that first paragraph about you and your hubby being more "passionate" after an encounter with an outsider was so stomach revolting to me I may stay within my calorie limit today.  LOL

 

Why do people who do this stay married?  Is it that you just don't want to live on your own or go through a divorce.  To me the marriage is dead if one of us goes outside it for sex b/c that is our ultimate most intimate contact and it would be the ultimate insult to me if he did it with someone else. 

 

So, is sex just not important to you?  Is it just a game and it means nothing and that is why you can share it around like that?  For me it is more meaningful and I could not and never have been with someone casually.  I have to love that person.  Just doing it as fornication, no emotion seems wrong to me and I woudl feel dirty and used if I did that with a man who did not love me. 

 

Anyway, I just have to say it again....GROSS!

I will not answer your questions, as I believe you weren't really looking for them. I appreciate yours and every opinion posted here, but as I was saying where's the tolerance? This world is made up of every form of being imaginable and we're not asking for your approval, just our place to be who we are (all God's works). No such thing as perfect, we are imperfect by design, it's all about how we treat ourselves and others in this world. Those that choose this particular course in life, must be all the things stated by those who've been there. It's not your choice obviously and thats fabulous, but why do you or others feel the need to condemn those that don't see life the same as you? If this topic bothers you (like a program on tv) change the channel. You can remove yourself from the situation.

As for being judgemental, you're right we all are to varying degrees. However, I tend to judge an individual or situation not a group as a whole.

I would like to address some of the things I keep seeing repeated by those that are against it, such as spreading diseases. As couragebear discussed, if statistics could be seen about where the spreading of diseases is highest (amongst which groups or behaviors), I'm pretty sure the group most responsible for this is the sexually closetted and ignorant. Sex education is a part of our kids' carriculum because most parents aren't comfortable with sexuality let alone discussing it with children in a healthy and appropriate manner.

Noone who has posted here as a participant in this "lifestyle" has tried to convince anyone of anything, simply to share their experiences. We are just discussing issues as adults and no reason to feel as though anything is a personal attack, so why make it personal. Those that are correctly in this "lifestyle" will not break up families, spread diseases or otherwise be the downfall of society. Ignorance, intollerance of difference, and an unwillingness to see all views will.
 
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January 25, 2008, 11:08 am PST

distant sisters?

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There are alot of you here saying that you are discusted by swinging and you think it is basically the worst thing anyone could do much less think about.  I can't help but wonder.....why did you even watch a show on it then much less take time out of your day to post a comment in regard to it?  There had to be a curiousity about it in order for you to watch the show.  Even if you are die hard Dr. Phil watchers, why would you watch a show he did that is so offensive to you?  I know if it was something that bothered me to such a degree I would not.  And even if I did start watching out of curiousity, if the discussing went in a way that offended me, I would simply turn the channel or turn the TV off.  So, again, I ask, why did you bother to indulge in this topic?  For the record, I haven't seen the show yet.  It doesn't air here for another couple of hours
Honey, you and I are on the same page! Where u located, LOL?
 
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January 25, 2008, 11:14 am PST

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I don't expect everyone to agree with what I believe, and I don't judge anyone out there. God is our only judge. But as a Christian it is my God -given duty to help warn  those who do not obey God's laws. God will one day judge all sin. I believe that in his grace, God gives us all chances to repent of sin and follow him. As humans, we were made to worship God and have fellowship with him. When we don't have that, we will always have an empty hole in our hearts because deep down our souls know that we are not  living up to what we were created for. People try to fill that hole with anything they can get they're hands on... Whether it's sex, food,drugs, TV or anything else we put in place of God. I myself have been guilty of all of these. But these things only leave us looking for more, and they drive a wedge between us and our God. Not because he only loves us when we're good, but because since God is so good, he can't tolerate being around sin. He loves us, but he hates our sin.  Our bodies were meant to be a temple, and when we do sinful things with, or to our bodies, God can't dwell there. The Bible speaks against sexual sin over and over for this reason. But since it is so common now in our society, no one seems to take it seriously. Even most so-called Christians in the church are not offended by it anymore. But God never changes, even when our culture does. He still takes it very seriously. So to those of you who think that no one is getting hurt as long as both parties agree, I hope that you will know that you are hurting yourself by distancing yourself from God.  However, there is hope...When we acknowledge Jesus Christ as our savior, the blood he shed for us covers our sin so that God can again have the relationship with us that he desires. I pray that the Holy Spirit will reveal this to those of you reading, if he hasn't already. To the lady on the show who did not want to give in to her husband, my heart aches for you. I can only imagine how helpless it must feel to think that your marrainge could be over just because you stand for what is right. I don't believe in divorce, but we have to "fear God more than men". When you're asked to go against God's laws, all you can do is say no. If your husband then decides to leave, that will have to be on his concious. I pray that you will be strong.
 
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January 25, 2008, 11:18 am PST

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Honey, you and I are on the same page! Where u located, LOL?
lol...in Alabama.  I'm sure that'll get some hick jokes going...lol
 
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January 25, 2008, 11:20 am PST

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Quote From: bearcourage

There are alot of you here saying that you are discusted by swinging and you think it is basically the worst thing anyone could do much less think about.  I can't help but wonder.....why did you even watch a show on it then much less take time out of your day to post a comment in regard to it?  There had to be a curiousity about it in order for you to watch the show.  Even if you are die hard Dr. Phil watchers, why would you watch a show he did that is so offensive to you?  I know if it was something that bothered me to such a degree I would not.  And even if I did start watching out of curiousity, if the discussing went in a way that offended me, I would simply turn the channel or turn the TV off.  So, again, I ask, why did you bother to indulge in this topic?  For the record, I haven't seen the show yet.  It doesn't air here for another couple of hours
It's 2 degrees outside and there isn't anything else to do.
 
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January 25, 2008, 11:24 am PST

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Honey,

I am perfectly content and happy and SECURE with our marriage.  When I indulge in a fantasy....I am thinking about my hubby.  There is something to be said about great sex and fantasies.  I would never dream of having that with others.  We belong together.....there is also something to be said about the sanctity of marriage.  They are going out of the boundaries.  It just isn't right.  I am in total love with my husband and he is with me.  We have been through thick, thin, fun, kids, not so fun, etc.  When I say that they offend me....that is what I mean.  They do not have a marriage.  It is nothing.  There is no love there.  How dare them.  And, what about the children they bring into this.  They are screwed up in the head and anyone that believes that this so called "life-style" is alright needs their heads examined.  WHAT A CROCK OF BULL!!!!!   They cannot be happy.  They are PIGS and WHORES.  Thank you.

You are insecure with yourself...bottom line.  I bet you any money your sacred "hubby" would give a threesome a shot.... IN A HEARTBEAT!!!  You know it and that's why you're pissed.
 
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January 25, 2008, 11:26 am PST

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Honey,

I am perfectly content and happy and SECURE with our marriage.  When I indulge in a fantasy....I am thinking about my hubby.  There is something to be said about great sex and fantasies.  I would never dream of having that with others.  We belong together.....there is also something to be said about the sanctity of marriage.  They are going out of the boundaries.  It just isn't right.  I am in total love with my husband and he is with me.  We have been through thick, thin, fun, kids, not so fun, etc.  When I say that they offend me....that is what I mean.  They do not have a marriage.  It is nothing.  There is no love there.  How dare them.  And, what about the children they bring into this.  They are screwed up in the head and anyone that believes that this so called "life-style" is alright needs their heads examined.  WHAT A CROCK OF BULL!!!!!   They cannot be happy.  They are PIGS and WHORES.  Thank you.

You're happy?

 

huh.

 

 
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January 25, 2008, 11:29 am PST

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Quote From: christab

You are insecure with yourself...bottom line.  I bet you any money your sacred "hubby" would give a threesome a shot.... IN A HEARTBEAT!!!  You know it and that's why you're pissed.
I don't think so.  My "sacred" hubby respects me too much for that.  I am not insecure...please....We have five sons.....I want them to respect their wives also.  He would never consider a threesome.  I am way too much for him anyway....did you ever do it in a golf cart....elevator....whatever....I'm all he needs and more.  Thank you very much.
 
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