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Topic : 01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 25, 2008, 3:17 pm PST

Swaping/Swinging

While I never swapped and may not have been able to when I was married, I did swing with a couple after my divorce. The divorce was a surprise to me but after several months I started looking at swingers magazines and met a rather well to do couple in Baltimore MD. The woman and I were 50 and he was 60. There was no M/M activity but the focus was pleasuring the female. For a year we cruised the Chesapeake Bay on weekends on their 65' boat and had a fantastic time. I became a much better lover and more open in my sexuality then before and I have to chalk it up to one great experience. I finally moved top Florida where I may as well have become a monk. What with disease and all, I have become celibate.
 
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January 25, 2008, 3:17 pm PST

Lifestyle

 After seeing this show today, I was totally disgusted and  sadden especially when the woman (with low  self estem)  had been pressured to have  sex with  another person, against her will.  Her husband  is selfish and self absorbed, who clearly needs help if he wishes to stay in the relationship.  Otherwise I agree with Dr. Phi...show him the curb!

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January 25, 2008, 3:18 pm PST

swinging

This show was so interesting to watch.  I have to say that this topic has come up in my own marriage and I really felt for the woman in the latter part of the show.  I would feel exactly the same as her!!  When the topic was brought up - it really scared me.  The thought of bringing another person into the picture would make me feel degraded and unworthy - it would make me feel as though I am not woman enough.  For women who feel that this is morally wrong - it would come as a real hit - a real insult that somehow we are not exciting enough, not attractive enough, in any way whatsoever.  I too would feel sick and have anxiety attacks!! 

 

I think couples who do swing and enjoy it - maybe it is great for them - but I also think you are playing with fire ... there would always be in the back of your mind the "what if he likes her better?  what if he likes her enough to leave me?"   Scary.

 
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January 25, 2008, 3:19 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Ouch!  One stinger after another.  Just because you don't believe in God can you at least allow those of us who do our opinion here? 

 

Do you know what happened to the atheist who was a dyslexic insomniac?

He stayed up all night wondering if there was a doG.

 

Chill Penny!!  lol!

Just because you DO believe in God doesn't give you the moral standard of how everyone else should live. I believe in God and I am not a swinger, but I don't get why it is whenever someone lives their life outside of Christianity, people feel compelled to hit them over the head with a Bible.
 
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January 25, 2008, 3:19 pm PST

I don't think you know any swingers.....

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 Swinging is asking for trouble.  Aside from the moral issues, which are many,  there are so many problems that will arise out of this lifestyle - disease, infidelity, physical comparisons, and probable divorce, I must be boring, because I like nothing better than to be at home, with my family.
so why are you so certain about disease, infidelity, physical comparisons, and probable divorce that according to you WILL arise from this lifestyle?
No, you are not boring, but very judgmental.
 
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January 25, 2008, 3:19 pm PST

I don't get it.

 I thought the whole idea of marriage is sharing a life of intimacy with one person.  The bond is incredible when you know that your spouse wants to be with you and you only.  I believe that swingers use their lifestyle as an escape and really has nothing to do with sex. Sort of like any other obsession.   I consider myself a highly sexual person and feel safe and comfortable with my husband.  We have been together for 18 years and I can't imagine being with anyone else.  It's all about communication.
 
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January 25, 2008, 3:20 pm PST

Unwanted acts of sex

The show emotes horror more than angerp but horror was not a category.  However, relative to a husband serving as voyeur to an unwanted sex act or intercourse being performed on/with his wife is simply nothing more than witnessed rape.  This is not "insensitive behavior", this is not just him "making his wife feel bad", it is simply rape.  A woman scrubbing her flesh off to remove all evidence of "the act" is just horrifying and that this was treated so casually, without making it clear to the husband and the audience that:

1.  First, the pressing and overpowering of another with openly refused and unwanted behavior constitutes harrassing and hostile behavior

2.  Second, following through with unwanted sex acts is rape, married or no, what happened to this woman was simply witnessed rape.

3.  Lastly, for the poor woman to have to retell the story on TV is to degrade and rape her an additional time.  How degrading to this lady, she acts totally traumatized and desensitized to her reality.  She behaves as though she has been abused as a child, regardless watching this was beyond belief. 

 

...otherwise, I have no strong feelings.

 

Enjoy the day.

 

 
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January 25, 2008, 3:20 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: hijean

My longtime boyfriend and I have regular threesomes with other females.  I am physically bi-sexual and am attracted to females and enjoy sex with other females.  I get turned on watching lesbian pornography and at times threesomes pornography.  We find that inviting other females (sometimes more than one female) spices up our sex life.  I am a very secure woman and my boyfriend treats me amazingly and assures me that it is just a physical thing with other females.  I know he would never leave me and we sort of think of other girls that we have sex with as "sex toys" that spice up our life. 

 

As in the questions "what's in it for me?"  As I said before I enjoy sex with other females.  I also enjoy and get turned on being a voyeur and watching my boyfriend engaged in sexual activities with other women.  Part of the pleasure is looking at his facial expressions and getting to "join in" whenever I want.  Almost as if I'm watching my own live "porn."   Yes not many people are going to agree or understand my views, but as I have found, there is also a big community who totally understands and have similar views to me.

 

 

Thank you!  Though not a swinger, I find it appalling that so many people are so unreasonable on this issue.  Throughout history, many people have had multiple relationships.  People in the U.S. believe that our modern social mores were always the rule of law or ethics.  Not even close.  You sound mature and self-confident, something that is obviously lacking in the responses of others.

 
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January 25, 2008, 3:20 pm PST

Swinging Couples

It would be interesting to find out why these couples like to swing with other couples.  Is it that they are bored in their relationship?   Does this give them an excuse to have an affair with someone else and have it open.  I would like to know why people are interested in this.  If a person truly loves their spouse, they wouldn't want them to have sex with someone else.   To me, these people are dysfunctional and don't think normally.  It's seems  they lack a consciousness.

 
 
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January 25, 2008, 3:21 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: wyatt036

Wake up! Marriages don't end because of infidelity. Marriages end becasue problem within the marriage lead to infidelity. Marriages end everyday without infidelity even being an issue. Marriages end because people are no longer happy in them. Marriages end because they do just that...they end! I have been married for 4 years and in this lifestyle for 3. Our marriage gets better everyday, we talk, we are open, we are honest and we love eachother with every bit of who we are. Sex to us is just that, sex. Emotions are what matters. Sex is an act!

You said sex is just an act. I guess that's probably what the Roman and Greek Empire thought too. Well, we see how that turned out. Sex shouldn't be just an act. It is so much more than that. It is a spiritual and emotional bond unless you have severed your ability to have true intimacy with someone. The sad part is you don't even understand this and tells us why you are swinging.

 
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