Message Boards

Topic : 01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Number of Replies: 1406
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
Author : DrPhilBoard1
How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

Find out what happened on the show.

As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 9:04 am PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: funfriends

First let me say that we are happy that Dr. Phil pointed out the couple where the wife had a major problem because her husband was forcing her to have a threesome, that was not a sexual problem at all instead it was a selfish problem on the husbands part. In the lifestyle we call these kinds of couples Drama couples. Both the husband and the wife absolutely 100% have to be willing to swing and be in agreement with not only who you do it with but what you do. Anything less is just pure drama..!

My wife and I have been in the lifestyle for around 7 years now happily married for 12 years and together for 13 ½ years. We have been a Full Swap Couple right from the very start of our lifestyle experience.

There are many misconceptions about the lifestyle. Many people think that people do this because they are not satisfied with their partners and that they cannot be further from the truth. We are completely sexually satisfied with each other. However, the lifestyle does offer enhancements to sex.

Many of the people that make comments thinking that the lifestyle is only about sex and all we do is have sex are so completely wrong. The majority of the time you spend in the lifestyle you dont do anything other than be around like minded friends and possibly some friendly flirt. Now yes we lifestyle people do have sex with others but less frequent than you may think especially if you care about who you are having sex with as well as making sure that there is a true 4 way chemistry and all partners are 100%  comfortable.

Variety is the spice of life. Its not about who is better at this or that and along the way you can actually learn some things from others that make you just that much better at sex. In a country where 37% of husbands and 27% of wives admit to having affairs and divorce rates soaring too nearly 60% we have to now ask ourselves the question why?

Most of us in the lifestyle do not have to cheat and we in fact have a very special honest relationship with each other. We can at the highest level of intimacy, we communicate to our spouses what our fantasy and desires are and actually fulfill them because we understand the difference between love and sex.  To truly love someone you want to be able to make them happy in every way possible. If sexual fantasy is one of the ways that brings joy to your partner then why not do it.

Most people will just say no and make excuses for moral values when in reality the insecurity and fear actually lies within themselves. We have no fear in our relationship because we communicate at the highest levels possible. We hide nothing from each other and share everything.

Because many people have been conditioned by our cultures we tend to feel that having sex with others while married is wrong. These same very people will rent pornos in secret and cheat and/or find other ways to relieve their sexual urges or just become sexually frustrated. While we may be human none of us can deny the science that we are in fact animals. Those animal like desires to want variety is within all of us. Weather we choose admit it or act on it or not is a completely different thing.

Someone said something about being married and it was not right to want somebody else after you been married. So basically I guess you are supposed to just turn off who you are as a human. NOT! The problem in our opinion why so many people are find themselves in a divorce that are not in the lifestyle when cheating is that instead of looking at sex for what it is SEX. They feel the need to sneak around and cheat and then build an intimate relationship bond with the other person to justify why they are having this sex. Ultimately these people them become attached instead of just have sex and as a result the divorce rate climbs and families are torn apart every day and in most cases the cycle just repeats itself years down the road yet again.

Watching each other have sex with another person actually enhances our already good sexual relationship because we see each other being desired by another person. It makes you want your spouse even more as you know they are highly desired.

As a bonus you tend to stay in better shape, pay more attention to your overall looks and continue to feel young and by the way beer belly guys that is a plus for your wife. Same is true for the pastry eating coach potato wives.  Its a new year, join a gym, start eating healthier and begin to feel better about yourselves. You can do it! I know you can..!

Ten years ago if someone asked us if we thought about being a swinger we would have said hell know, you got to be kidding me. Why because at that point in our life we were not as secure with ourselves and were ignorant to what swinging is all about. Today its just what we do and its a hell of lot of fun even when we are not having sex with others because you can just be yourself without the worry of others judging who you are.

Many people find themselves wanting to become a swinger and then attempt to do as the drama couple on the Dr. Phil show and find that pushing their spouses ends up with bad results. If you have thought about wanting to be a swinger then its something you gradually introduce through communication with each other about fantasies. This can sometimes take years before each of you are truly open and honest with each other. But forcing yourself or a spouse is just plain wrong! The lifestyle is about communicating and having fun together force feeding will get you no place.

Now I will address the moral issues that some feel there are. There is an unlimited amount of religions in this world and I have studied many that claim or pretend to have lifes answers to the world. All over the world everybody has a different belief system they have adopted. Most times its based on our upbringing. There are also thousands of different translations and interpretations for each of them. Most people that throw out the religion card or moral card have no real understanding for the origination of their own beliefs. As much as we would all love to believe the way we believe is the one and only true way. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you do as an individual believe and feel comfortable with. If the planet could just get that. Then perhaps we would have fewer disagreements, less war and more love to go around.

So what I am saying to all that read this. I am not trying to convince you to be a swinger. That is something for you decide and you only to decide. But more importantly I am however trying to convince you to not be judgmental especially if you really dont know how the insides of swinging really work and how the majority not all but the majority of swingers are.

In closing, I love my wife from the very bottom of my heart and there is absolutely nobody that is going to replace her because I dont look at sex as being the only factor that holds our relationship together and she feels absolutely the same as I do. If either of us were to find somebody that satisfied us sexually more than each other and that has not happened yet. Instead of taking the negative approach and think that how are we to compete. We would instead take the approach how the heck did they do that and learn from it. Our love and our bond goes well beyond just sex!

But let me say this. Most times when you think something is going to be greener on the other side of the hill you often find that it really is not and nobody knows you like your own spouse. But its fun to let them try:-)

Swinging is not for everyone and that is ok. Not all types of swinging is for everyone either. For anyone wanting to learn more about swinging here is a good website. http://www.swingershandbook.com/

Xoxoxox

Funfriends

Perfectly stated!  Thank you!  I'm sure that it will not be well recieve by those with preconcieved notions but you gave them the "explaination" they have been asking for.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
frustrated
January 26, 2008, 9:14 am PST

Comments on Dr Phil Friday show

Brent is nothing but a low life scum ball.  The odds being ten to one that this creep is also involved in hard core pornography on a daily basis.  Studies have shown that people of caliber don't have any respect for themselves  and look at ALL PEOPLE AS JUST OBJECTS.

 

He has destroyed Renee's self esteem.  It will take a life time for her to heal from this ordeal!  She needs to kick his behind to the curb right now.  He does not deserve a second chance.

 

I wish the best to Renee in getting her life back on track!!  You can due it girl, but it will take some hard work. 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 9:19 am PST

It's just something we do

 My husband and I have been married almost 8 years now and we've had our fair share of ups and downs. We both grew up in a place where sex was concidered taboo and women were to keep their mouths shut about whatever their husbands chose to do in their free time. If my husband and I had a problem, I wouldn't address it because, where I was raised, it wasn't the wife's place. I had horrible self esteem and was very depressed, just like most of my friends. A few years ago, we packed up and moved 1,500 miles from there. Without people constantly telling me that I needed to keep my mouth shut, I was able to open up to my husband. We started talking for the first time and it was fantastic! We had both been hiding so much from each other because we were embarrassed about our wants and desires. At this point swinging had never entered the equation, we were both just bored with the normal "lights out" sex and so we had quit being intimate and it was driving us apart. We began experimenting with just the two of us (and by experimenting, I don't mean handcuffs and whips, just stuff like morning sex lol) and our relationship grew stronger and stronger.

Long story short, we started swinging about a year ago. I agree with most of the true swingers that have posted on here that it's not for everyone. But I wish that Dr. Phil had actually gone to a site like playfulswingers.com and picked couples off of there, rather than finding the most emotionally screwed up people he could then labling them as swingers.

My husband and I are very open and honest with each other and are more in love than we have ever been. I miss him just when he goes to work each day and he would rather spend Friday nights watching movies on the couch with me than going "out with the guys". We don't party all the time and it's not just one big love fest. We find couples online with similar interests, talk to them on the computer, meet for dinner and then MAYBE, and I stress the maybe, once we've really gotten to know them, we MIGHT hook up with them. But honestly, we don't do as much as non-swingers would like to think. We have SO many swinger friends and have never hooked up with most of them. We have non-swinger friends that constantly complain about their husbands, cheat on each other and fight all the time, even in front of their kids. My non-swinger friends have gossiped about me and their other friends behind my back, lied, and failed to be there for me when I needed them. My swinger friends are always honest, up-front and SO supportive. Because really, what's there to hide when you're most intimate details have already been laid out on the table. My husband works with lots of young singles and most want a marriage just like ours. Even some of the married people he works with are envious. And as far as our kids are concerned, we will be upfront and honest with them when the questions come up. I would rather them feel comfortable about asking then developing their own opinions rather than growing up the way I did, shy, embarrassed and afraid to talk to my parents.

I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but please, don't compare us to pedifiles and rapists. True swingers are all responsible consenting adults. And just because we swing, doesn't mean we can't be  Christians. We're just a little less judgemental.
 
User Mood
Worried

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 9:25 am PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: funfriends

First let me say that we are happy that Dr. Phil pointed out the couple where the wife had a major problem because her husband was forcing her to have a threesome, that was not a sexual problem at all instead it was a selfish problem on the husbands part. In the lifestyle we call these kinds of couples Drama couples. Both the husband and the wife absolutely 100% have to be willing to swing and be in agreement with not only who you do it with but what you do. Anything less is just pure drama..!

My wife and I have been in the lifestyle for around 7 years now happily married for 12 years and together for 13 ½ years. We have been a Full Swap Couple right from the very start of our lifestyle experience.

There are many misconceptions about the lifestyle. Many people think that people do this because they are not satisfied with their partners and that they cannot be further from the truth. We are completely sexually satisfied with each other. However, the lifestyle does offer enhancements to sex.

Many of the people that make comments thinking that the lifestyle is only about sex and all we do is have sex are so completely wrong. The majority of the time you spend in the lifestyle you dont do anything other than be around like minded friends and possibly some friendly flirt. Now yes we lifestyle people do have sex with others but less frequent than you may think especially if you care about who you are having sex with as well as making sure that there is a true 4 way chemistry and all partners are 100%  comfortable.

Variety is the spice of life. Its not about who is better at this or that and along the way you can actually learn some things from others that make you just that much better at sex. In a country where 37% of husbands and 27% of wives admit to having affairs and divorce rates soaring too nearly 60% we have to now ask ourselves the question why?

Most of us in the lifestyle do not have to cheat and we in fact have a very special honest relationship with each other. We can at the highest level of intimacy, we communicate to our spouses what our fantasy and desires are and actually fulfill them because we understand the difference between love and sex.  To truly love someone you want to be able to make them happy in every way possible. If sexual fantasy is one of the ways that brings joy to your partner then why not do it.

Most people will just say no and make excuses for moral values when in reality the insecurity and fear actually lies within themselves. We have no fear in our relationship because we communicate at the highest levels possible. We hide nothing from each other and share everything.

Because many people have been conditioned by our cultures we tend to feel that having sex with others while married is wrong. These same very people will rent pornos in secret and cheat and/or find other ways to relieve their sexual urges or just become sexually frustrated. While we may be human none of us can deny the science that we are in fact animals. Those animal like desires to want variety is within all of us. Weather we choose admit it or act on it or not is a completely different thing.

Someone said something about being married and it was not right to want somebody else after you been married. So basically I guess you are supposed to just turn off who you are as a human. NOT! The problem in our opinion why so many people are find themselves in a divorce that are not in the lifestyle when cheating is that instead of looking at sex for what it is SEX. They feel the need to sneak around and cheat and then build an intimate relationship bond with the other person to justify why they are having this sex. Ultimately these people them become attached instead of just have sex and as a result the divorce rate climbs and families are torn apart every day and in most cases the cycle just repeats itself years down the road yet again.

Watching each other have sex with another person actually enhances our already good sexual relationship because we see each other being desired by another person. It makes you want your spouse even more as you know they are highly desired.

As a bonus you tend to stay in better shape, pay more attention to your overall looks and continue to feel young and by the way beer belly guys that is a plus for your wife. Same is true for the pastry eating coach potato wives.  Its a new year, join a gym, start eating healthier and begin to feel better about yourselves. You can do it! I know you can..!

Ten years ago if someone asked us if we thought about being a swinger we would have said hell know, you got to be kidding me. Why because at that point in our life we were not as secure with ourselves and were ignorant to what swinging is all about. Today its just what we do and its a hell of lot of fun even when we are not having sex with others because you can just be yourself without the worry of others judging who you are.

Many people find themselves wanting to become a swinger and then attempt to do as the drama couple on the Dr. Phil show and find that pushing their spouses ends up with bad results. If you have thought about wanting to be a swinger then its something you gradually introduce through communication with each other about fantasies. This can sometimes take years before each of you are truly open and honest with each other. But forcing yourself or a spouse is just plain wrong! The lifestyle is about communicating and having fun together force feeding will get you no place.

Now I will address the moral issues that some feel there are. There is an unlimited amount of religions in this world and I have studied many that claim or pretend to have lifes answers to the world. All over the world everybody has a different belief system they have adopted. Most times its based on our upbringing. There are also thousands of different translations and interpretations for each of them. Most people that throw out the religion card or moral card have no real understanding for the origination of their own beliefs. As much as we would all love to believe the way we believe is the one and only true way. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you do as an individual believe and feel comfortable with. If the planet could just get that. Then perhaps we would have fewer disagreements, less war and more love to go around.

So what I am saying to all that read this. I am not trying to convince you to be a swinger. That is something for you decide and you only to decide. But more importantly I am however trying to convince you to not be judgmental especially if you really dont know how the insides of swinging really work and how the majority not all but the majority of swingers are.

In closing, I love my wife from the very bottom of my heart and there is absolutely nobody that is going to replace her because I dont look at sex as being the only factor that holds our relationship together and she feels absolutely the same as I do. If either of us were to find somebody that satisfied us sexually more than each other and that has not happened yet. Instead of taking the negative approach and think that how are we to compete. We would instead take the approach how the heck did they do that and learn from it. Our love and our bond goes well beyond just sex!

But let me say this. Most times when you think something is going to be greener on the other side of the hill you often find that it really is not and nobody knows you like your own spouse. But its fun to let them try:-)

Swinging is not for everyone and that is ok. Not all types of swinging is for everyone either. For anyone wanting to learn more about swinging here is a good website. http://www.swingershandbook.com/

Xoxoxox

Funfriends

You are crazy.  This is all crazy.  I cannot even believe that you have words for your activities.....

"lifestyle", soft-swap, DRAMA couple, it is all so stupid.

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 9:42 am PST

OMG! easily offended....Marriage is not taken lightly

Quote From: momisme2

Wow.  You must get offended very easy! 

You should probably be careful about all that anger and easily offended feelings.  Its a good way to give yourself an ulcer.


To be offended because someone is demeaning the sanctity of marriage , should not even be in the same sentence....what  are you thinking telling this person that she or he is easily offended. That is the worst thing you can do in my book  go against a marriage....You really need to nut up and think about what you said. Easily offended I THINK NOT....

and as for getting an ulcer...no

You may be the ulcer in the stomach pit of humanity thinking that way.

 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 9:49 am PST

This is all wrong!

The swingers life style does show a lack of self esteem and immaturity Imorality..one day these ppl will wake up and see what they have done to themselves and thier souls.

All the values that we held dear in America are slowly being flushed down the toilet.

Well Bilblically the world will get so immoral that God will turn his face on us.

And that my friends will be the end. So in a way I thank you for speeding it up.

And that day will soon come , where  we will all see who was right and who was wrong?

Because In the end.... if I am wrong I lost nothing but if you are wrong you lost so much hope u pack lightly cause it will pretty warm where you are going! 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 10:09 am PST

swingers vs. non

Quote From: shadycat1

Okay, do I care if my neighbors are swingers (at their age I'd say more power to them ), no.  Would I care if my neighbor was a pedophile, yes.  Why the difference, its quite simple really,

The swingers are not hurting me or mine, chances are I wouldn't even be aware of it, the pedophile on the other hand can hurt my children or other neighborhood children, they pose a threat.

As for saying, "If I found out my children's caregiver did this, I wouldn't allow my children back " tell me this, unless they do it in FRONT of the children in their care or they are promoting it to the children in your care, why should what they do when your children aren't there be of any consequence, if it dosen't affect the quality of care they received, then its none of  your business.

To the Moral Majority, I would ask with all the protestations why do you feel threatened by this ? If you are secure in your own marriages or relationships, why is this a problem for you ? Isn't it exhausting for you to try dictating your sense of Morals and values to those who have made it clear they don't share them ?  Every one of the "Swingers" that have posted here acknowledged the fact this lifestyle is not for everyone, and NOT EVERYONE should try, and I've said MYSELF NO ONE should ever be FORCED or COERCED into ANYTHING they are not comfortable with, or DISGUSTS THEM.  If you feel that no one else belongs in YOUR marriage  or relationship ( I feel the same way ) then they shouldn't be there, and if your partner insists, then maybe its time to rethink the relationship (by not listening to you or your concerns or needs shows a lack of respect and love for the other person).

To the Swingers, as long as BOTH partners agree to the lifestyle and are comfortable with it, so be it. If you are being threatened with the other leaving because you won't participate, then let them leave, but if you are a willing partner, and you are comfortable with it, whatever.  The ones I've known (and there are exceptions in ANY group of individuals) are VERY careful  and aware of potential diseases and how to prevent the spread.  Swingers tend to seek out like minded couples, they aren't going to put flyers in the mailbox, or go door to door trying to recruit.  Matter of fact I wouldn't have known if I wasn't told, hasn't stopped me from going out for coffee with them, any more than a single friend sleeping with her date would stop me.  Its not for me to impose my sense of ethics or morality onto someone else, whether I agree with their choices or not.

I've always found that a self-righteous High Moral attitude has kept people apart, there will always be people in this life that don't share your views, it dosen't mean they are "sick", "evil" or "immoral" just different.

Thank you so much! If there were more people like you in the world, it'd be a lot happier place.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 10:15 am PST

Appalling

Dr. Phil,

 

I am disappointed in you.  I am so tired of those who can really make a difference in this world compromising their opinions for the sake of being accepted by the majority of this sick society.  You know as well as most of us do that this sort of behaviour is perverted, and goes against all of the laws of sanctity.  How can you say that what couples do between each other which includes multiple sex partners, threesomes, etc. is "okay" as long as all parties agree to it.  How far will you go to keep your ratings?  Linda

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 10:21 am PST

Give me a break

Quote From: zimexlady

People who swing have ultra low self esteem and turn to activities that lower that esteem even more.

This is almost comical, but is actually sad. I am glad that there are so many folks out there that can tell me how to live my life and tell me what is right or wrong simply because that is their belief. Low self esteem? hardly!  Put the bible down and quit judging people by what you think is right or wrong. Who are you people to judge anyone. You do not know anytihng about anyone on here, yet, you are telling them that what they are doing is wrong and it is going to ruin marriages. Funny to me that every couple that I know that is in the lifestyle has been married or together for ten years or more, however our "vanilla" friends are getting divorved left and right.

 

And I have a little message for you women out here making comments on the board here that your husbands "would never and has never thought of being with another woman" You keep right on thinking that sweehearts, cause that is the funniest , most delusional damn thing I have ever heard.

 

Maybe some of you peopele should worry about your own hypocritical lives and leave everyone else alone. We do not care that you are not swingers, so why do you care that we are?

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 26, 2008, 10:23 am PST

Comments

Does someone judge you by what you may do with your husband/wife/partner ? Does someone say  how dare you read that adult magazine? How dare you have a battery operated toy in your bedroom, to enhance your sex life.

Why judge people based on what they do sexually,. They are much more happier people.

People should live their life as they want and not be scrutinized for what they do or don't do.. Treat people as you would want to be treated..But as always someone has to be complaining about someone else, cause it wouldn't be America, Right?

 
First | Prev | 86 | 87 | 88 | 89 | 90 | 91 | 92 | 93 | 94 | 95 | Next | Last