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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 26, 2008, 11:31 am PST

We second that notion...

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First let me say that we are happy that Dr. Phil pointed out the couple where the wife had a major problem because her husband was forcing her to have a threesome, that was not a sexual problem at all instead it was a selfish problem on the husbands part. In the lifestyle we call these kinds of couples Drama couples. Both the husband and the wife absolutely 100% have to be willing to swing and be in agreement with not only who you do it with but what you do. Anything less is just pure drama..!

My wife and I have been in the lifestyle for around 7 years now happily married for 12 years and together for 13 ½ years. We have been a Full Swap Couple right from the very start of our lifestyle experience.

There are many misconceptions about the lifestyle. Many people think that people do this because they are not satisfied with their partners and that they cannot be further from the truth. We are completely sexually satisfied with each other. However, the lifestyle does offer enhancements to sex.

Many of the people that make comments thinking that the lifestyle is only about sex and all we do is have sex are so completely wrong. The majority of the time you spend in the lifestyle you dont do anything other than be around like minded friends and possibly some friendly flirt. Now yes we lifestyle people do have sex with others but less frequent than you may think especially if you care about who you are having sex with as well as making sure that there is a true 4 way chemistry and all partners are 100%  comfortable.

Variety is the spice of life. Its not about who is better at this or that and along the way you can actually learn some things from others that make you just that much better at sex. In a country where 37% of husbands and 27% of wives admit to having affairs and divorce rates soaring too nearly 60% we have to now ask ourselves the question why?

Most of us in the lifestyle do not have to cheat and we in fact have a very special honest relationship with each other. We can at the highest level of intimacy, we communicate to our spouses what our fantasy and desires are and actually fulfill them because we understand the difference between love and sex.  To truly love someone you want to be able to make them happy in every way possible. If sexual fantasy is one of the ways that brings joy to your partner then why not do it.

Most people will just say no and make excuses for moral values when in reality the insecurity and fear actually lies within themselves. We have no fear in our relationship because we communicate at the highest levels possible. We hide nothing from each other and share everything.

Because many people have been conditioned by our cultures we tend to feel that having sex with others while married is wrong. These same very people will rent pornos in secret and cheat and/or find other ways to relieve their sexual urges or just become sexually frustrated. While we may be human none of us can deny the science that we are in fact animals. Those animal like desires to want variety is within all of us. Weather we choose admit it or act on it or not is a completely different thing.

Someone said something about being married and it was not right to want somebody else after you been married. So basically I guess you are supposed to just turn off who you are as a human. NOT! The problem in our opinion why so many people are find themselves in a divorce that are not in the lifestyle when cheating is that instead of looking at sex for what it is SEX. They feel the need to sneak around and cheat and then build an intimate relationship bond with the other person to justify why they are having this sex. Ultimately these people them become attached instead of just have sex and as a result the divorce rate climbs and families are torn apart every day and in most cases the cycle just repeats itself years down the road yet again.

Watching each other have sex with another person actually enhances our already good sexual relationship because we see each other being desired by another person. It makes you want your spouse even more as you know they are highly desired.

As a bonus you tend to stay in better shape, pay more attention to your overall looks and continue to feel young and by the way beer belly guys that is a plus for your wife. Same is true for the pastry eating coach potato wives.  Its a new year, join a gym, start eating healthier and begin to feel better about yourselves. You can do it! I know you can..!

Ten years ago if someone asked us if we thought about being a swinger we would have said hell know, you got to be kidding me. Why because at that point in our life we were not as secure with ourselves and were ignorant to what swinging is all about. Today its just what we do and its a hell of lot of fun even when we are not having sex with others because you can just be yourself without the worry of others judging who you are.

Many people find themselves wanting to become a swinger and then attempt to do as the drama couple on the Dr. Phil show and find that pushing their spouses ends up with bad results. If you have thought about wanting to be a swinger then its something you gradually introduce through communication with each other about fantasies. This can sometimes take years before each of you are truly open and honest with each other. But forcing yourself or a spouse is just plain wrong! The lifestyle is about communicating and having fun together force feeding will get you no place.

Now I will address the moral issues that some feel there are. There is an unlimited amount of religions in this world and I have studied many that claim or pretend to have lifes answers to the world. All over the world everybody has a different belief system they have adopted. Most times its based on our upbringing. There are also thousands of different translations and interpretations for each of them. Most people that throw out the religion card or moral card have no real understanding for the origination of their own beliefs. As much as we would all love to believe the way we believe is the one and only true way. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you do as an individual believe and feel comfortable with. If the planet could just get that. Then perhaps we would have fewer disagreements, less war and more love to go around.

So what I am saying to all that read this. I am not trying to convince you to be a swinger. That is something for you decide and you only to decide. But more importantly I am however trying to convince you to not be judgmental especially if you really dont know how the insides of swinging really work and how the majority not all but the majority of swingers are.

In closing, I love my wife from the very bottom of my heart and there is absolutely nobody that is going to replace her because I dont look at sex as being the only factor that holds our relationship together and she feels absolutely the same as I do. If either of us were to find somebody that satisfied us sexually more than each other and that has not happened yet. Instead of taking the negative approach and think that how are we to compete. We would instead take the approach how the heck did they do that and learn from it. Our love and our bond goes well beyond just sex!

But let me say this. Most times when you think something is going to be greener on the other side of the hill you often find that it really is not and nobody knows you like your own spouse. But its fun to let them try:-)

Swinging is not for everyone and that is ok. Not all types of swinging is for everyone either. For anyone wanting to learn more about swinging here is a good website. http://www.swingershandbook.com/

Xoxoxox

Funfriends

    We both came into this now 5 year married relationship as full swap swingers and have enjoyed it.  What Funfriends wrote above sums it all up in a nutshell...Yes it is true,  swinging is NOT FOR EVERYONE and thats cool but don't be judgmental about the "Lifestyle" or anything else.  The world would be a better place if people would STOP MINDING OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS...plain and simple...take ALL that negative energy and put it into something positive!

 

 

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January 26, 2008, 11:45 am PST

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 I would bet the farm that Couple No. 1 are crackheads -- or abusers of cocaine in some form, because the drug not only heightens the sex drive but also reduces inhibitions. In other words, cocaine puts people "out there" into la-la-land (skewed reality) and it enables them to behave in bizarre ways and think it's "okay," "normal."
For some reason, only about four viewers dominate this discussion with long, long diatribes. Didn't anybody else watch the show?????
 
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January 26, 2008, 12:03 pm PST

It goes both ways

I guess it depends on if you are both willing to swing. I personally think its not right and that your husband or wife should be the only people you are being intimant with.
 
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January 26, 2008, 12:09 pm PST

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Lack of compassion seems to be the way this woman has lived her life with her husband and lack of compassion isn't going to motivate her .
Your strong? Well, 'good for you'! I would guess your strong because you have had other people helping you develop that strength.
Sneering at someone because they are emotionally crippled never helped anyone.
She needs a back bone and you, my dear, need a heart.

We all need two bare feet so we can step into someone else's shoes and walk a few steps. Hopefully what we see on that journey will allow us to understand a little better.

 

We blame each other for having human frailties and we think the strengths we have are common. They are not, we also call our ability to see things a certain way 'common sense' and it is not. We have to be able to see that our reactions are as unique as we are. Just because we live in one society it does not mean we react to situations the same.

 

 

 
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January 26, 2008, 12:25 pm PST

Nobody died when Clinton lied

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Personally--I find the thought of 'swinging' disgusting.  But are you people aware of how many freedoms you give  away everyday.  Now you can't even have the kind of sex life you want.

I also think that Dr. Phil's remarks referring to Bill Clinton were inappropriate.  At least the country was not on the verge of bankruptcy. 

Yep and don't forget - nobody died when Clinton lied. You can't say the same for the Bush/Cheney administration.
 
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January 26, 2008, 12:26 pm PST

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I don't think I offend easily.....I just don't like the idea of swinging couples thinking that they can have a marriage on the same level as my husband and me.  They aren't even anywhere close to saying their marriages have anywhere near the love and respect that we have.  Bringing others into your bedrooms to fulfill your sexual desires and needs for whatever reason does not constitute a healthy and happy marriage.  You cannot convince me otherwise.  I cannot respect them in any way.  I don't care who they are or how much money they make......marriage is about love, honor, patience, and, giving yourself only to your spouse.

So that is it...you have some sort of psychological need to have YOUR marriage be held to some higher level than anyone who differs from you. It's about competition for you. That's healthy!

 

I have a hard time believing swinging is healthy for a marriage, it isn't something I would ever welcome into my marriage....but I guess I am secure enough in my own marriage that I don't need to assign "marriage levels" to people who disagree with me. I can easily let other people decide the terms of their own relationships.

 

 

 
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January 26, 2008, 12:36 pm PST

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What people do in private reflects in many ways on society as a whole.
People in positions where they can influence others can't keep thier beliefs 100% out of the things they say and do..It comes through..So I would have to say that, that is a legitimate statement.
Just take Movies , music and books as the biggest example, They are all a reflection of people's feelings and beliefs..And it is easy to see the influence in just the past 30 years..
What people think and feel and do in private, can change society for everyone.

What people think and feel and do in private, can change society for everyone.

 

Only to the extent that people force those beliefs or feelings onto others. And who is to determine WHAT is best for society? There are a lot of societal trends that I do not embrace. Some people choose a patriarchal family system where the husband is considered the "head of the household" and the ultimate decision maker....that is repulsive to me...but if someone else says they are happy like that...it is THEIR marriage and it does NOT affect my personal life...even if every neighbor on my street does it.

 

Of all the problems of our "society", why do sexual issues gather the most steam? I don't want to live in a society where people think they have the right to dictate the terms of other people's sex lives and marriages. The intrusion on people's personal lives, whether it be sex, religion, politics is not a change in society that I want to see gather momentum.

 
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January 26, 2008, 12:47 pm PST

Reference to a viewers comment

A veiwer posted.

my husband would love this, and I’m not sure I would be against it. It keeps things interesting, and you’d never cheat because you’re doing it together. I would hate for my husband to bring up someone else’s name during sex on our own or compare me to anyone.

Dr Phil said:

“I just have to say, that’s just not the case,” Dr. Phil says. “What if you get to 'playing' with somebody whom you decide you like a whole lot better … I think there’s temptation there.”

I'm sure Dr Phil recognizes an attractive woman when he sees one as I am sure his wife does when she sees attractive man. Perhaps he and his wife don't feel confident enough in their relationship to discuss the possibilities beyond that attraction but that does not mean one does not exist. For many couple that attraction doesn't have to be the end.

The reason Dr Phil feels this way, as I see it , is that Dr.Phil  doesn't truely have or understand the kind of connection to a spouse that all good strong lifestyle couples have.  For couples that have a strong mental and physical connection, the type that allows them to have the deepest discussion of their most personal sexual desires, the only limitation they have are the ones they choose to set.  After that temptation on long plays a part  when playing with another couple. The interaction between couples is ultimately recreational. This is what the lifestyle is and what good lifestyle couples are all about.   It does keep thing interesting within the relationship as the couple gets to see their spouse from a whole new point of view which ultimately helps become more open minded in general.
This is not to say that a couple will never experience a senerio that raises questions or stirs emotions but if a couple has the proper foundation, a strong mental and physical connection, a couple will ultimately be open to and able to discuss a senerio and talk about emotions without the escalation of drama. In fact, it is these types of experiences a couple faces that improves their relationship and helps them grow together and become an even stronger couple.

Try to keep an open mind Doc.

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January 26, 2008, 12:54 pm PST

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To be offended because someone is demeaning the sanctity of marriage , should not even be in the same sentence....what  are you thinking telling this person that she or he is easily offended. That is the worst thing you can do in my book  go against a marriage....You really need to nut up and think about what you said. Easily offended I THINK NOT....

and as for getting an ulcer...no

You may be the ulcer in the stomach pit of humanity thinking that way.

 

How does what OTHER people do demean YOUR marriage at all? Your marriage must not be very solid if it is so offensive and demeaning to you that people would act outside YOUR beliefs about marriage. Do you get that not everyone has to live by "your book"???
 
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January 26, 2008, 12:55 pm PST

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Quote From: kandimj

I don't make the rules - the rules are the vows you take when you enter into a marriage.  If you don't take those vows seriously, then why get married?  
Not everyone takes the same vows. There is NO law that says you must vow to be mongomous.
 
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