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Topic : 01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 26, 2008, 6:13 pm PST

It is not for everyone....

My husband and I have been married for 10 years and have in the last 3 years been keeping things interesting.  It is not that we have been unsatisfied with our sex life but rather wanted to add to it by experiencing new things together.  I do not think that swinging is for everyone.  It takes a confident person for one and a solid relationship for another.  We have had a few three somes and are intrigued by the thoughts of swingers parties and weekends.  We believe that as long as your are safe and honest, it is no harm to your relationship.  Again it is not for every couple but if your both are willing and know that what is good for one should be reciprocated for the other, then that is what makes the world go around, differences!

 
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January 26, 2008, 6:38 pm PST

This is NOT swinging

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Anytime that you add a third person to your sex life, it means danger.

 

Internet porn and sleeping with another man's wife is one sure way to have your marriage go down the tubes. My husband is addicted to internet porn and it has changed him for the worst.  He has become a very angry and unhappy man.  He has lost all respect for himself and has no love or compassion for his family.  Everyone that knows him says DUMP HIM....  He's a prick!  He has become a lost soul and can't find his way back to sanity.

 

His swinging has ruined our marriage, his work life and his relationship with his children & grandchildren.

 

He tried to pretend that he wasn't playing around, but his addiction got the best of him and he moved out of our home for the second time in 3 years.  He won't get the chance to make it three times. 

 

The couple that he has built a relationship with think he is wonderful.  The woman's husband checks out the men and then his wife has sex with them.  She says that she doesn't want to do it, but her husband insists.  My husband said he felt sorry for her, but that didn't keep him from exploiting her himself.  He's no better than her husband. 

 

Sex is great, but internet porn and swinging is destroying our families.

 

 

Part of the reason people get such a negative feeling is when people lump all types of sexual conduct in with swinging. What YOU describe is porn addiction followed by adultery, NOT swinging. What you describe as swinging is about like describing rodeo bull riding as Polo. Just because his extramarital affair included a "husband watching" does not make what YOUR husband did "swinging" nor does it mean that "swinging" had anything to do with the demise of your marriage. He was on his way out and that’s just where he happened to land.

 
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January 26, 2008, 7:04 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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My husband and I have been married for 10 years and have in the last 3 years been keeping things interesting.  It is not that we have been unsatisfied with our sex life but rather wanted to add to it by experiencing new things together.  I do not think that swinging is for everyone.  It takes a confident person for one and a solid relationship for another.  We have had a few three somes and are intrigued by the thoughts of swingers parties and weekends.  We believe that as long as your are safe and honest, it is no harm to your relationship.  Again it is not for every couple but if your both are willing and know that what is good for one should be reciprocated for the other, then that is what makes the world go around, differences!

If you want to experience new things together....take a trip somewhere where you haven't been together....do it on a mountain top (We did that and it was really cool)....do anything other than swinging...

 
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January 26, 2008, 7:18 pm PST

swingers

I have to concur with Jessie427. My partner and I have been together almost 3 years now and have been in the lifestyle together almost as long. He was in his 20's in the early 70's and was a true hippy, free love and all of that. I am 10 years his junior and was raised with very conservative christian parents. If I thought about anything that might be a normal thing for a budding teenager, I was condemed and knew I'd go to hell. I was raised with a lot of fear and guilt. I was also sexually abused by family members who were supposed to love me. I have spent most of my adult life addressing my past and the issues that have come from that. I feel that we are all like onions, and we deal with one layer at a time. The inner layers are more difficult, but the rewards for getting to them are greater. I am by far happier and freer than I have been in my entire life and I owe a lot to my current partner. He holds me close to him and allows me to search myself and discover who and what I am and want to be. All he asks of me, is that I be the best at whatever it is that I decide I want. I have never met a more caring and compassionate person. Back to swinging. I am not going to paint a rosey picture because at times it's not been that way. Being in the lifestyle has given me the opportunity to face issues that in a normal "vanilla" life, most likely would not have been as easily recognizable. I am happy that the lifestyle has shown me where I have been and still am held a prisoner by my past. The strong confident woman that I am now is nothing compared to who I was even a few short years ago. I take credit for being who I am and that I am willing to challenge these lies from my past, but they wouldn't have been shoved in my face so strongly if not for the way we choose to live. I enjoy playing with other people, and so does my partner. He says that it really excites him to see me get into what I'm doing and having so much fun. We are both bi-sexual and a heterosexual, monogamous relationship would not allow for that. I am excited to see him explore his bi-sexuality, as it wasn't open to him in the past. We both talk about the fact that in previous relationships we've never had this close of a bond, nor this much honest and open communication. As it was said in another post, you have to be a strong person, and have a strong relationship to be a swinger. i consider us extraordinary.

 

 
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January 26, 2008, 7:56 pm PST

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I didnt go through all 112 pages of posts, but I did sample enough to know that the majority of them are hateful with a sprinkling of "youre going to hell for this" comments. I dont expect 95% of you to understand, and honestly I dont care if you do. I do care about the other 5% that want to understand and can look at swinging with an open mind. So for that 5%, here it goes.

My wife and I are both very much in love. We have 4 wonderful, well balanced and well adjusted kids that are doing well in school and have no major issues. We are and attractive couple that is solid middle to upper middle class. WE are swingers.

What we have learned as swingers is that our happiness is of the utmost importance TO EACH OTHER. WE each want the other to be as happy as possible and delight in the others happiness. To put it another way, WE are at our happiest when the OTHER is experiencing happiness. Can you say that about your marriage? If you can, then your marriage is strong enough to be swingers.

The next phase is honesty. There is NOTHING we cant tell each other and discuss. We have an openness that Ive never experienced in ANY other relationship Ive ever had. How many of you married people cant tell your spouse what your TRUE hopes and dreams or fantasies are? WE can.

Sex is about sexual fulfillment and sharing with your spouse or significant other. But in most marriages you have the sex that you DO have but there is also the sex you WANT to have. You know, those secret thoughts that you dont tell your wife or husband. The ones that excite you but you feel you cant share because you feel you will get an adverse reaction and possible condemnation if you do. Kind of like the reaction and condemnation you see flowing from these forum posts in reaction to the show. Or the how about just the things that the wife or husband no longer does but you wish they would? So, for the most part, many couples keep these things to themselves. That is a form of deception. After a few years of "whats wrong honey".."Nothing" you start to build up resentment. How many affairs begin with "my wife doesnt understand me" or "my husband isnt interested in me anymore? In my opinion these affairs are based on the gap of openness and the failure to be comfortable enough to share your true feelings and thoughts with each other.

In traditional marriages, affairs will flourish when one or the other or both feel that they cant get what they want or need from their spouse so they seek what they think they need out of the marriage. The extramarital sex itself is not really what harms the relationship, it is the DECEPTION from the other that causes the most harm. Giving something that BELONGS to you to another, the betrayal.

With swingers there is no deception. It is not your wife or your husband going off to be satisfied with another, it is BOTH of you on a sexual adventure TOGETHER. Remember the excitement of dating when you found someone new you were interested in? With swingers, we still feel that excitement together when we find others we both like TOGETHER. Neither of us wants someone else in our day to day lives, or our families. We know that no matter what we do with whom, we are going home with each other and that closeness is absolutely amazing. We enjoy sharing this with each other and it has made us so close to each other in ways I never thought possible. Something that would have destroyed or shattered most marriages is something that we both enjoy together. Who among you would not want a marriage THAT strong?

And last, but not least, are the friends we have met along the way. What we have found is that swingers are by far happier, more open and genuinely sincere than most "vanilla" couples we know. We develop true friendships with fantastic people that last for years whether we "play" with them or not. So, for us, we dont feel that what we are doing is perverted or a sin to humanity. We feel that we have an enlightened position that allows us to enjoy ourselves, our relationship, each other and anything else out there that we would like to enjoy without risking our marriage to do it. WE love being with each other, spending time with each other, talking with each other and sharing this too with each other. How many of you can not only say you are truly this happy and believe it?

You are kidding yourself.  This "Swinger" thing will come back to bite you and it will happen when you are not expecting it.  This will soon decay your so called "wonderful marriage and family".  Think about it.

Is it worth losing it all?

 
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January 26, 2008, 8:23 pm PST

Sacred Sex?

People have different ideas about sex, of course.  What I didn't see mentioned on the show was the idea of the sacred bond between two married people.  This kind of bond survives the sexual doldrums most marriages experience.  Any other relationship is settling for less. 

 
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January 26, 2008, 8:44 pm PST

Swingers

Having read quit a few pages of this message board, I was not suprised, yet worried at how judgemental, close-minded and sometimes just plain not in touch with reality some people are. There seem to be three kinds of people described on this board:

There are those whose lifestyle is not about swinging. They are those who believe in monogamy: one man- one woman (although I don't see what is wrong with one man-one man, one woman-one woman).
They believe, and have a right to believe that marriage is making a vow that two people will utterly commit themselves to each other.

There are those who enter marriages without communication or a solid understanding in each other. To blame one or the other is not right. They are both to blame for engaging in such a commitment as marriage and not knowing each other  well enough to have worked out these issues of sex and partnership.  Those people are NOT examples of what the 'swinging lifestyle' leads to, seeing that this is more a result of of a miscommunication, immaturity, and just plain unreadyness and mismatching on their parts.

Then there are those who are swingers, who are consenting adults, who have talked and communicated with their partners and know fully well what they are getting into. They understand enough and have enough of a backbone to say to the other, if it gets out of hand, to stop. And they also have respect.

Too many people on this board are confusing a lack of respect to those who are not in communicative or mature relationships.
There are also too many people on this board imposing their beliefs and rules upon others. How would any one of you feel if someone came into your home and told you how to live your life? Or even, for some , the only way to explain it is- If someone came into your house and said "You're religious beliefs are wrong and you worship the wrong God?"

Telling swingers that they are immoral, filled with diseases (btw, anyone can get a STD, it doesn't require a special circumstance, just education and planing to prevent it), evil to their children, sick and vile is wrong in itself. As long as they are not hurting anyone, imposing their ideas onto anyone or being destructive, then why are they evil and sick? 


If you don't agree with it, then you don't. And that is perfectly normal. Yet beware of sounding maniacal.
 
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January 26, 2008, 8:52 pm PST

Swingin' and swapping around the kids ?

  

   I was just sixteen years old when my parents decided they needed to explain why our home phone was ringing on the hook.  This was in the late 70s, so we didn't have voicemail boxes, private cell phones, we didn't even own an answering machine.  Many of the calls were obscene and often I was the person answering the phone.  The last thing I ever thought I  would hear from my folks was that they had joined a " wife swapping club ", they had placed ads in magazines and been to parties and even had  a few parties at our home.  My parents gave me instructions on answering the phone if they were not at home, again before Caller ID.  I was to only speak with certain "friends ", I guess these were the child friendly group, not the pervert tht got excited when he found out I was their daughter, he prceeded to tell me what my father had experienced with his daughter I hung up the phone.  I told my father what had happened, I don't know if my father contacted that piece of trash or not.  I do know I never answered to hear his voice again.   I was warpped by my folks sexual liberation.  What are parents thinking ?  I'm not saying it's okay for singles or married couples without children either.  It is immoral.  I am a testament to what harm comes to the children of swingers.  I can hear the younger generation rolling out there with we don't expose our children in any way.  That's stupid.  We know.  I knew something was going on.  I love my parents and at 46, I'm blessed to still have both of them alive.  They have been married 47 years.  When I became an adult and comfortable discussing these things with my mother I asked her why she was involved with this, she looked me straight in the eye and said " Young lady, you do what you need to when it depends on keeping your husband pleased."  Oh my God, I am so thankful for Dr.Phil.  The show exposes so many things that had been that which is never spoken unless it was in hushed tones when the children weren't around.

When I watched the recording of the show today I was thrown right back to that period of time and all the nasty came right up. I don't think those types of memories and flashbacks can disappear.

 
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January 26, 2008, 9:46 pm PST

Adultry

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I disagree with you. You need to read and think about this commandment THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY. Explain to me how swingers are not committing adultry.
I am quite aware of the ten commandments.. including thou shalt not commit adultry. Obviously your definition of adultry differs from mine... and that is ok.
 
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January 26, 2008, 10:19 pm PST

Judgemental

Here's a surprise.  I've read through every single post, and you know what I found?  Not one person in the lifestyle passed judgement on anyone who wasn't, or didn't want to swing.  But, at least 95% of those not in the lifestyle spewed disgust and "rot in hell" towards those of us who are "happily" in the lifestyle. I truly don't understand the anger towards us.  We have very happily married monogamous friends, who we're very happy for, because they're so happy.  We don't hold this against them, or anyone else in what ever works for them in their relationship.  The lifestyle isn't for everyone of course, but obviously neither is monogamy.  You know what's tearing this world (not just America or Canada) apart?  It's not those us who choose another path, it's those of you who can't except those of us who do. How sad, unfortunately....how true.

 

A happily married swinging couple for 25 years...  Is that proof enough for you Dr. Phil?

 
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