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Topic : 01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 26, 2008, 10:27 pm PST

From one swinging couple to another

Quote From: jessie427

I didnt go through all 112 pages of posts, but I did sample enough to know that the majority of them are hateful with a sprinkling of "youre going to hell for this" comments. I dont expect 95% of you to understand, and honestly I dont care if you do. I do care about the other 5% that want to understand and can look at swinging with an open mind. So for that 5%, here it goes.

My wife and I are both very much in love. We have 4 wonderful, well balanced and well adjusted kids that are doing well in school and have no major issues. We are and attractive couple that is solid middle to upper middle class. WE are swingers.

What we have learned as swingers is that our happiness is of the utmost importance TO EACH OTHER. WE each want the other to be as happy as possible and delight in the others happiness. To put it another way, WE are at our happiest when the OTHER is experiencing happiness. Can you say that about your marriage? If you can, then your marriage is strong enough to be swingers.

The next phase is honesty. There is NOTHING we cant tell each other and discuss. We have an openness that Ive never experienced in ANY other relationship Ive ever had. How many of you married people cant tell your spouse what your TRUE hopes and dreams or fantasies are? WE can.

Sex is about sexual fulfillment and sharing with your spouse or significant other. But in most marriages you have the sex that you DO have but there is also the sex you WANT to have. You know, those secret thoughts that you dont tell your wife or husband. The ones that excite you but you feel you cant share because you feel you will get an adverse reaction and possible condemnation if you do. Kind of like the reaction and condemnation you see flowing from these forum posts in reaction to the show. Or the how about just the things that the wife or husband no longer does but you wish they would? So, for the most part, many couples keep these things to themselves. That is a form of deception. After a few years of "whats wrong honey".."Nothing" you start to build up resentment. How many affairs begin with "my wife doesnt understand me" or "my husband isnt interested in me anymore? In my opinion these affairs are based on the gap of openness and the failure to be comfortable enough to share your true feelings and thoughts with each other.

In traditional marriages, affairs will flourish when one or the other or both feel that they cant get what they want or need from their spouse so they seek what they think they need out of the marriage. The extramarital sex itself is not really what harms the relationship, it is the DECEPTION from the other that causes the most harm. Giving something that BELONGS to you to another, the betrayal.

With swingers there is no deception. It is not your wife or your husband going off to be satisfied with another, it is BOTH of you on a sexual adventure TOGETHER. Remember the excitement of dating when you found someone new you were interested in? With swingers, we still feel that excitement together when we find others we both like TOGETHER. Neither of us wants someone else in our day to day lives, or our families. We know that no matter what we do with whom, we are going home with each other and that closeness is absolutely amazing. We enjoy sharing this with each other and it has made us so close to each other in ways I never thought possible. Something that would have destroyed or shattered most marriages is something that we both enjoy together. Who among you would not want a marriage THAT strong?

And last, but not least, are the friends we have met along the way. What we have found is that swingers are by far happier, more open and genuinely sincere than most "vanilla" couples we know. We develop true friendships with fantastic people that last for years whether we "play" with them or not. So, for us, we dont feel that what we are doing is perverted or a sin to humanity. We feel that we have an enlightened position that allows us to enjoy ourselves, our relationship, each other and anything else out there that we would like to enjoy without risking our marriage to do it. WE love being with each other, spending time with each other, talking with each other and sharing this too with each other. How many of you can not only say you are truly this happy and believe it?

Couldn't have said it better jessie427.  Nicely explained.  Too bad Dr. Phil didn't use more emails like yours on the show.  But then again, happy satisfied people don't seem to make good TV.   How sad... Would love to meet you both some day!
 
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January 26, 2008, 11:04 pm PST

OK for you!

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If you want to experience new things together....take a trip somewhere where you haven't been together....do it on a mountain top (We did that and it was really cool)....do anything other than swinging...

Really, on a mountain top?  Outside?  Is that allowed in public?  Funny how something out of the ordinary is okay for you, but not for others if you don't agree...

 
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January 26, 2008, 11:33 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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I disagree with you. You need to read and think about this commandment THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY. Explain to me how swingers are not committing adultry.

I would be interested in your definition of adultery.

 
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January 26, 2008, 11:39 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Obviously, those who condone, and are engaged in, a swinging lifestyle define marriage according to their own system of "law" and come far short of having any respect for the only authority who actually instituted the marriage relationship from the very beginning of time - the God of heaven and creator of the universe - who instituted marriage to be between ONE man and ONE woman for a lifetime.

 

With the exception of the couple Brent and Renee, since there seemed like there was hope for these two to resolve this issue that is tearing their marriage to pieces, I was disappointed, Dr. Phil, that you even took your valuable time to even air such a show. Such topics should be left for Maury Povich.

If marriage is one man and one woman as I think you are saying I am curious as to how do you explain David, Solomon and many other men of the bible that had multiple wives and sex slaves?

 
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January 26, 2008, 11:57 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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I disagree with you. You need to read and think about this commandment THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY. Explain to me how swingers are not committing adultry.

You know i was raised in a religious home and to me being part of the life style doesn't go against my beliefs, God or what ever name you want to call the higher power made every single person and made their faults including the need for Swinging.

 

Its not adultery to me if he comes home to me every night, he has a set of rules, I have a set of rules, if either of them breaks the rules then thats comes into Adultery.

 

Its is said that only 5% of North Americans understand the swinging lifestyle and are comfortable to take part in it. That means if I pick up a Man in a bar i have to tell him that I am in a committed relationship and make sure he is okay with this. If he isn't he can go his merry little way.  We have the rule that he has to come home every night as well as me for the children, she doesn't need to know, but if she ever asks we will tell her and not hide it from her. Its all in education when it comes to children not hiding and treating it like a taboo.

 

Not many species of animals are Monogamous, and the two that evolution says we are part of their chain are some of the worst, sowing their seeds wherever they can. So dont judge, you don't even need to know what people are doing, its their bedroom and who are you to judge what they decide to do in there. If it makes them happy let them be happy, its not breaking any laws.

 
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January 27, 2008, 12:24 am PST

Why not just keep it all to yourself?

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This situation happened to unfold itself in our "family". Thankfully she divorced herself from the lying, cheating, sick man and let him spiral out of control by himself. But comes the point of all the chaos being brought into the home amongst the children. How do you explain the lifestyle to the children and also justify the expenses taken away from the family. It seems so selfish when you are a parent to put someone else through this, when they didn't ask for this shame of your lifestyle choices. Just how deep persay is your fixation with this "lifestyle" willing to go? Online advertising, group chat rooms, random dates out of personal ads... are you willing to be busted by an undercover agent? This fool did and that is how his life became aparent to his new bride/new mother and family who never saw the signs of his addictions. Is this really a personality disorder or are you just fulfulling some deeper need within your self?
If everyone is happy doing it (and I doubt they all are very happy) then fine, just keep it to yourself. I dont know anyone that is a cheater or swinger, I would stop knowing them if they brought it up.  People are welcome to do what they want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone. I dont have to hear about it and I dont want to hear the justifications or defenses for doing it.  I dont understand and that is fine, I dont want to either.  Some people are greedy and think they are so sexual and need sex or are willing to corrupt their marriages or at least the promises they made so they can have "pleasure" with anyone they want... well they have no business being married and I feel they are selfish and have lose morals and very low standards. I really have zero respect for someone that would have sex with someone they dont know, love, share a life with and I am entitled to my feelings, and beliefs.  It all is just nasty, what some are willing to do just to have an orgasm. bleh!.... How many of those people are even pretty or handsome, from what I saw, not many at all, yuk...
 
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January 27, 2008, 12:40 am PST

swapping oh what ever... selfish

Say what you will about it, I think it is selfish and is just not in the description of marriage.  Lots of people do things, that doesnt make it right.  As far as the woman that wrote the book Unbuckling the bible belt??? We dont have basements in the south!  All of the people that I know that are prim and proper do not have stripper poles, geeze how people can just rationalize... they think that someone pretending to be prim and propper, that has a stripper pole must have it because they want to swing, could it be there because they like to strip for their husband?     going back on all of the promises you made when you got married for a few moments of orgasm or pretending that you are so "sexual" that everybody wants you is dilusional, I thought all of the people were very unattractive and they probably make themselves think that they are desirable when really they are just being tramps and are getting used and degraded. 

 

To eachs own, but you wont talk me into believing that it is ok... I feel it is just a lack of well, everything

 
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January 27, 2008, 12:45 am PST

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Dr. Phil,

 

I thank you for the contribution of information that you provide through the topics that you bring to your program.

 

This program brought a real concern to my heart.  Yes, I am a Christian.  Yes, I believe this is not moral behavior but, I am more concerned with the acceptance that I sensed and some of the comments from your guests than the actual acts discussed. 

 

This man is obviously addicted to pornography and clearly his wife is reaching out for help.  He was not shy in voicing the control these thoughts had on him.  The other couple were clearly proud of their life style and had no problem telling the thousands of listeners that they felt their "religious family members were jaded by the church".

 

I have three children all young adults and I am concerned for the future children.  I also watched your previous program where a young man was called some horrible names and the parents were not taking responsibility for their actions.  I watched as the majority of your audience were in tears and were obviously distraught.  When the cameras panned the audience during this program there was no tears.  They clapped when asked if they felt she should leave her husband but during the couples interview there was more laughter than concern. 

 

This show needs to bring tears to our eyes as pornography is why many of our children are molested.  Pornography is why many families are ending in divorce.  Pornography is why many women are raped.  Permissive sex is why so many of our young adults cannot keep relationships and our children end up with single parents and why young teens end up parents. 

 

This was a show that in my opinion should have had a deeper emotional response but due to our "conditioning" through the different entertainment avenues we are numb.  It concerned me that the couple blatantly announced that there were regular gatherings at their club that equaled or out numbered your audience.   This conditioning is why that young man on your previous show was being abused by his parents and they weren't getting it. 

 

I continue to pray for families and this nation.  I have never responded to your program before but I just couldn't keep this to myself.

 

God bless you as you attempt to penetrate the numbness of this nation.

 
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January 27, 2008, 1:40 am PST

Rape by Proxy

That fellow was worse than a rapist.  He made it happen.  She needs to wake up and realize what happened to her.
 
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January 27, 2008, 2:10 am PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Couldn't have said it better jessie427.  Nicely explained.  Too bad Dr. Phil didn't use more emails like yours on the show.  But then again, happy satisfied people don't seem to make good TV.   How sad... Would love to meet you both some day!

The shows main focus is the last line in almost every show **I will get you help for that** whatever that is. If it is a show about mothers and daughters it has to have a dysfunctional pair so Dr Phil can say **I will get you help with that**

 

Anyone expecting him to do a positive show on almost any topic is not understanding the main thrust of the show. If he can't say *I will get you help for that* it is not a HELP SHOW and that is what he does.

 

A show on swingers is no different he still has to find examples that he can point to something and say **I will get you help for that** . If he put on people who were happy and just having sexy fun and no tension involved how could he use his line???

 
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