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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 28, 2008, 3:21 pm PST

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Quote From: zimexlady

People who swing have ultra low self esteem and turn to activities that lower that esteem even more.

Wow, are you ever lacking in something.  We are not in any way looking for self esteme.  In fact, people that are swinging have much more self esteem then any other people I know.  Swingers are generaly well off, har working succesfull people.  We do not need this for self esteme.  You are making hte comment out of ignorance and a lack of education.  You may state an opinion, but stateing it as a fact they way you have is hateful and wrong.
 
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January 28, 2008, 3:22 pm PST

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Quote From: truelove8300

 I really appreciate the non-swingers that have posted on here that, while it's not for them, they don't feel the need to pass judgement on those that choose to swing. I know in my first post I stated how great my marriage is but it's not because we swing. It's because we're finally to a point to where we are 100% open and honest with each other and I'm truely more in love now than I was early in my marriage. I think a lot of swingers feel the same and try to express it, but it tends to come out that we think our marriages are "better" than monogamous marriages. We're not trying to say that at all. I promise. Many of us have had failed misserable relationships in the past and are just trying to convey the difference between our current versus our past relationships rather than ours versus yours. For those who think that I don't have a real marriage, or that I'm not in love with my husband, that we're just best friends with benefits and need to get a divorce, you couldn't be more wrong. We are very much in love.
And some have also stated that swingers just swing because they've lost the "sizzle" in their relationship. That we care about each other like a sister would a brother and take care of each other, but that we're not "in love" anymore and that we should divorce. If that really was the case (and I assure you it's not) then what about all those couples out there that have been married for 25 years and their kids are all grown and the house is paid off and they are the best of friends and take care of each other and couldn't imagine being with anyone else, but they don't have sex anymore because they've lost the "sizzle"? Should they divorce?
And as far as the adultery thing is concerned, I know that's a sensitive subject and that everyone has their own opinion, but as someone who has truely been cheated on, I can sincerely say that swinging is not cheating. Adultery is not just having sex with someone other than your spouse. It's also about lieing and hiding and giving yourself not only physically to the non-spouse, but also emotionally. A spouse can even cheat without having sex at all. If someone chooses to confide in and share an emotional relationship with someone who is not their spouse, while hiding that relationship and not confiding in their spouse, that is considered cheating in a court of law.
I don't really want to get into the religious part. Too many people believe too many things. And the founding fathers didn't include freedom of religion in the Constitution so that we could all be free to be strict fundamentalists.
As far as being damned to hell and what not, isn't Christianity based on the belief that everyone who believes that God sent his Son to die on the cross for all mans' sin so that if they accept this they'll spend eternity in Heaven? That's what I was taught anyways. That all sin is equal and it says in Romans that all have sinned. That would mean I would only be damned to hell if I don't accept Christ. So since those of you who are damning us don't really know if we will or already have accepted Christ, you really can't say where we'll end up.
To conclude, I am a strong, confident, attractive young woman and so are the women we've met in the lifestyle. We don't do this because our husbands demanded. In fact, almost every couple we've met got into it because the wife wanted to explore her attraction to other women. Most men don't even participate, they just watch their wives. But mainly we do this because we enjoy meeting like-minded couples to have as great friends. My husband and my children come first and if ever one of us wanted to quit there wouldn't even be a discussion. We would just quit and be a happy monogamous couple again.
To those who condemn and say we should be fired from our jobs and have our children taken away, maybe you should take the time to get to know some of us. We're good people that volunteer in our communities, serve our country, donate our time and services to help those less fortunate, contribute to charities raise our children to be positive role models and good stuards.
Let me ask one thing. Would you pull your child out of marching band even though they love it, just because you found out the director was homosexual? Would you refuse a medical procedure just because the only Dr. capable of performing it was an atheist? If no, then why persecute a swinger JUST because they swing?
Amen, great post!  Couldn't agree more!
 
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January 28, 2008, 3:25 pm PST

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Quote From: kauai99

Well as far as I am concerned it was about swinging right from the start,  people swapping sex thats all swinging is.  I don't believe you watched the show.  If you would like I can send a copy cause I even taped it.

I have watched the show with 3 people 3 differnt times.  I do know what swinging is.  The fellow that was controling his wife has issues that do not have to do with swinging, rather control and sexual fantasies.

 

Swinging is a life style, and until you are willing to listen and see what it is, there is no sense discussing it with you as you will never open your mind to what it is.  People like you that would have part of hte majority that considered homo-sexuality a desease only 10 years ago.

 

research and talk to people with an open mind, but do not confuse cheating, controling and abuse with swinging as it has none of those aspects in any way.

 
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January 28, 2008, 3:27 pm PST

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Quote From: bearcourage

Granted I didn't get to see all of it with the 2nd couple but I didn't see anything that lead me to believe that he was bisexual.  It's not uncommon for straight couples to bring in a 3rd person that is also straight and there be no bisexual activity.  On the first couple, I thought she came straight out and said she was bisexual, I could be wrong on that though.
This is so true, that is how 90% of the peopel start in the lifestyle.  Being honest with yourself is the hardest part.
 
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January 28, 2008, 3:35 pm PST

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Quote From: momisme2

IS that the percentage?  10%? 

That sounds about right to me,  actually.   That it would WORK for,  I mean.  As im sure the percentage climbs much higher for those who have ever tried  it.

We own a swingers club in Canada and have done much research o nthe mater.  Here are the stats across North america.  The numbers are much higher in Europe and lower i nthe far east.

 

50% of couples ahve discussed it more then a fantasy

20% have explored it meaning visited web site, talked to people or visited a swingers club.

10% have tried the lifestyle meaning group sex, swap or 3 sums of some kind.

 

That 10% stay in the lifestyle for some time in one way or another, although, 60% of that 10% never swap, or have teried it and no longer do it.

 

So 10% like the lifestyle and energy, and 6% are active.

 

hope that helps.

 

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January 28, 2008, 3:39 pm PST

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Quote From: princessgina

in my opinion this swinging is so wrong on so many levels. Marriage is suppose to be a scared bond between 1 man and 1 woman. Swinging can lead to an affair without the other one knowing. This world of marriage is in a sad state these days. No respect for each other.
Thank you for useing the word opinion.  Not ennough people use that.  My opinion is that cheaters will cheat regardless of if they swing or not.  Most people in the lifestyle have been together for a tleast 10 years.  The average marriage in years of our memebrs at our club is over 18 years wit hthe average age of people at 38.  Now how many organizations can boast those numbers?
 
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January 28, 2008, 3:39 pm PST

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Quote From: funfriends

Well said....!
What's with the masks?
 
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January 28, 2008, 3:40 pm PST

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As a child of parents that were swingers - let me tell you about the negative impact that whole scene has on the kids who live in the household.  It's not pretty.  My parents decided to tell us kids what they were doing instead of keeping what should be private as private.  It was very confusing to me and I was in my formitable years when this all came out.  Talk about growing up with double standards!!  I'm grown up now but this whole situation has effected me my entire life.  I had to learn most things about relationships on my own because my parents were too busy swinging to listen and understand what was going on.  Looking back at it all now I believe the reason they chose to let us kids know was just to make it easier for them to conduct their "lifestyle" not to be open and understanding for our benefit.  Dr Phil always talks about the role model parents are - well when you have to decide at a young age that what they are doing is immoral and disgusting - that puts a lot of pressure on a teenage girl to make your own decisions about sex and relationships.  There is a whole lot more here that I care to discuss but let me just say this:  Please keep your sex life private!!!  The kids really don't want to know any of the details and please don't kick your kids out of their bed because you want to use it for your "lifestyle" ( you really have know idea how this effects the kids - many many  tears).   Be considerate of what you say and do for the kids sake - it will come back and haunt you.  After reading the comments from the people who engage in this "lifestyle" - it all sounded so familiar > we are doing this together, it has made our marriage stronger etc. - is all a bunch of crap.  If your marriage was so great you would not need to be swingers. 
 
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January 28, 2008, 3:52 pm PST

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Quote From: vlc688

As a child of parents that were swingers - let me tell you about the negative impact that whole scene has on the kids who live in the household.  It's not pretty.  My parents decided to tell us kids what they were doing instead of keeping what should be private as private.  It was very confusing to me and I was in my formitable years when this all came out.  Talk about growing up with double standards!!  I'm grown up now but this whole situation has effected me my entire life.  I had to learn most things about relationships on my own because my parents were too busy swinging to listen and understand what was going on.  Looking back at it all now I believe the reason they chose to let us kids know was just to make it easier for them to conduct their "lifestyle" not to be open and understanding for our benefit.  Dr Phil always talks about the role model parents are - well when you have to decide at a young age that what they are doing is immoral and disgusting - that puts a lot of pressure on a teenage girl to make your own decisions about sex and relationships.  There is a whole lot more here that I care to discuss but let me just say this:  Please keep your sex life private!!!  The kids really don't want to know any of the details and please don't kick your kids out of their bed because you want to use it for your "lifestyle" ( you really have know idea how this effects the kids - many many  tears).   Be considerate of what you say and do for the kids sake - it will come back and haunt you.  After reading the comments from the people who engage in this "lifestyle" - it all sounded so familiar > we are doing this together, it has made our marriage stronger etc. - is all a bunch of crap.  If your marriage was so great you would not need to be swingers. 

It sounds like your parents would have been bad parents no matter if they were swingers or not.  We know lots of parents that are swingers and yes, most all of us keep it to our selves.  Kids do not need to know and should not know.  Being swingers does not make us bad parents.  Loving our kids and doing all we can for them and being happy in a marrigae makes us good parents.  We try, but are not perfect.

 

I have lots of freinds who had rotten parents and they weren't swinging.  Sounds like you should talk to someone as you have deep hatered for your mom and dad.   If you saw the families that we know and we all do lots together, you would say that we are bad parents or that we are even swingers.  Your one expereince can not and should not generalize all people.  There are lots of bad parents out htere.  You have to pass a test to drive a car, but anyone can have kids and that is a major problem in society.

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January 28, 2008, 4:15 pm PST

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Quote From: vlc688

As a child of parents that were swingers - let me tell you about the negative impact that whole scene has on the kids who live in the household.  It's not pretty.  My parents decided to tell us kids what they were doing instead of keeping what should be private as private.  It was very confusing to me and I was in my formitable years when this all came out.  Talk about growing up with double standards!!  I'm grown up now but this whole situation has effected me my entire life.  I had to learn most things about relationships on my own because my parents were too busy swinging to listen and understand what was going on.  Looking back at it all now I believe the reason they chose to let us kids know was just to make it easier for them to conduct their "lifestyle" not to be open and understanding for our benefit.  Dr Phil always talks about the role model parents are - well when you have to decide at a young age that what they are doing is immoral and disgusting - that puts a lot of pressure on a teenage girl to make your own decisions about sex and relationships.  There is a whole lot more here that I care to discuss but let me just say this:  Please keep your sex life private!!!  The kids really don't want to know any of the details and please don't kick your kids out of their bed because you want to use it for your "lifestyle" ( you really have know idea how this effects the kids - many many  tears).   Be considerate of what you say and do for the kids sake - it will come back and haunt you.  After reading the comments from the people who engage in this "lifestyle" - it all sounded so familiar > we are doing this together, it has made our marriage stronger etc. - is all a bunch of crap.  If your marriage was so great you would not need to be swingers. 
What happened to you is absolutely horrible!  I can't imagine how any parent could do things like that.  I am so sorry for you and I hope you are finding ways to find your own individual self and move forward eventhough I can't imagine that would be an easy road at all. 
 
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