Topic : 01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Created on : Saturday, September 29, 2007, 09:23:47 am
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How well do you think you know your neighbors, your friends and even your child's teacher? It is estimated that four to eight million people in North America are swinging in the suburbs -- mostly middle-class folks from all walks of life. Dr. Phil gives you a closer look at who these couples are who engage in sex with other twosomes. First up, Nita and Walter have been swinging for the last 12 years. They say they are happy in the lifestyle, so why does it cause tension in their relationship? Then, Brent says he has a strong yearning for he and his wife, Renee, to participate in a threesome. Renee says the idea disgusts her, but worries that if she refuses to join in, Brent will leave her. They fight constantly, often dragging their 17-year-old son into the middle of their chaos. Brent says he thinks about having threesomes every other day, but says that his desire is normal. What does Dr. Phil think? And, Dr. Phil viewers weigh in and share their thoughts about the swinging lifestyle. Join the discussion.

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January 28, 2008, 5:27 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: toniecw

Yeah I know, the romantic type is back...

 

The persons I find that are swinger types have so many neck disorders from all of the hard staring they are a doing in all directions...(neck strain, sometimes sprain...hahahehe)

 

In my belief system I feel like swinger types are so busy looking for themselves in others that they are a missing the current moment in time, where everything is a happening.  Sort of like one a too busy a swinging from branch to branch, that they forget to notice anything real a going on around them, except for their quest for new entertainment purposes only; adventures.

 

I realize that this is just my perception and not will agree with my thoughts and that is okay, for we all are different and we all are traveling to a beat of a different drum, and what one calls good to another may be perceived as bad.  Again, "different strokes for different folks"  (original author, unknown)

 

So please don't find me judgemental because I think differently than yourself.  To my own self I must remain true...living any other way would just be a lie and when one starts a lying to themselves, therein lies the problem.

 

Simply due to the fact that what steals away your happiness and peace of mind, you are giving permission for it to be a happening...Simply because we are the creators of our own reality, wrether we want to accept that ideology or not...this one is a given and not something one needs to be a rocket scientist to figure out...ex. drive drunk, one day you will be caught simply due to the odds of how many times you have escaped the law of karma..."that which comes around, goes around."  This one is an Einsteinian fact, as for Biblical...that is good enough for me.

 

How I perceive those wanting/having "friends with benefits," to be:

 

They are persons that seem to be locked into future possibilities of greater entertainment issues instead of the current moment in time where everything is real and is a happening.  Sort of waiting for a special moment to occur that was different than yesterday.   Please read the book, "The Power of Now, Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment" by Eckhart Tolle and you will discover that ideology perhaps as well.  Actually all of Eckhart Tolle's books will help you discover the present moment to be more real than always a having one foot in the future or a one foot in the past.  At least that is what it has done for me.

 

This next part is perhaps a bit judgemental again, yet perhaps it won't be to those that read what I wrote and agree, understand or have any opinions either way...Is not America a great place to live!

 

I believe that all swingers, friends with benefit persons; should also be on the watch out for those fatal attraction types.  You know the kind?  The needy and desperate ones that would fall in love with a swinger even though the rules stated, "it will never happen ville."

 

I believe as well that all swingers, friends with benefit persons; all not all wrapped as tightly as others.

 

Take for instance one of my sister in law's who actually drove head long into insanity...due to her husband demanding a three way with his one of his former wives and her...followed by many other instances...I don't believe that she was every really wrapped tightly, yet I believe my brother dug that in her...because she symbolized one where the light is on, yet no one is at home type.  We all know at least one of these types...no back bone, no confidence, no self esteem, no pride, totally and helplessly lost somewhere a looking for herself in others...

 

I remember one time in particular when my brother had to take her back to the mental ward.  (she wasn't always mental, she became mental after the sexual adventures her husband my brother took her on after about twenty years of marriage, and 3 children from the marital union; this incident occurred:

 

They were a driving back from the store one winter's night in Michigan.  There was reported to me about 3 inches of snow on the ground.

 

My sister in law asked my brother to stop the car and let her out.  When she got out of the car, she started tearing her clothes off as she started to run to the river to jump in so that the devils that were a chasing her, wouldn't catch her...no she wasn't on any recreational drugs or alcohol, only prescription drugs.

 

One case out of a 100 you say?  I don't know about you, life to me is good.  I don't do well a sharing what I have given my total committment to.  If one can't do that, than why in the dickens do you want to get married?  Why take the chances with dying from a disease that you can't run or hide from?

 

Get real people, condoms are not enough...you need medical records from these folks...shoot I won't even kiss a guy that I suspect that might be a player because I don't know where his mouth has been...you know what I mean?  Bill C., I know that you do, hahahehee...It cost our country $40Million to validate that fact of the father of our country.  Wow, what a role model.  That is why the old people's club called swingers, moved into our children's vogue world, called, friends with benefits; new term...behavior since Solomon and Gomorah times...

 

Oil of Oregano extract is what I required my player types to drink for at least two weeks before my first kiss from them.  It kills parasites, all kinds and being there are over 5,000 of these little pesky bugs that can inhabit ones bodies and if one is a moving through the assembly line up of bodies a searching for new adventures...their chances of becoming toxically contaminated by bugs of all sorts, natures strains, bacteria, viral and fungal...

 

I usually muscle test my guys, to see how many drops they need to place in their glass of water a day and how many days, or weeks ; they will have to drink the oil of oregano to become less toxic to me.

 

So I can't really see me a doing the hanging out with friends with benefits...Heck they would probably have to drink it for ever, double, and triple doses a day.  That stuff is expensive!

 

What else is expensive is my bedding such a guy as well, for we exchange energies with each other...meaning, were persons to become sensitive such as myself to energies...one could actually feel and smell the energies of another in ones significant other.

 

That is what the blending of each other into each is all about.

 

Now because I am an energetic healing professional and the balancing of energies is primarily what I am about...

 

I have discovered that when one is with one of these player types of persons...you are a receiving all the energies that they have collected from others.

 

Part 2 later

 

 

 

 

 

 

So for those excited about jumping on the swingers, friends with benefit persons, website...understand this as well...

 

 

 

The best part of this is when she says it is her opinion and to her self she must stay true.  Even though we have differnt opinions and out looks, we are swingers and enjoy it, I do respect and enjoy reading these type of posts.  I may not agree with it, but I do respect it.  She is not judgemental in any way.  very holistic and that also is a bit of a stretch for me....but none the less...thank you for an open honest opinion that does not judge
 
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January 28, 2008, 5:27 pm PST

The Exchanging of Body Energies Is Real! Part 2

I am back again...

 

When I left off, I told all that when we have intimacy with our significant other, we are exchanging energies with each other...when you throw others energies into the mix...you sometimes are a playing with fire.

 

Not in the contaminated sexual disease state...I am referring to.  I am a talking about chakra balancing energies...

 

One becomes the energies that surround s and fill them...

 

How do I know this to be true for sure?  I used to go to my Master herbologist and Iridologist Health Food Store that I as well did treatment sessions out of and get muscle tested for flower essences to help balance my electrical and energetic body energies state.  (Ginny Irwin is also on my website, www.onlinetoniewallace.com and she offers up newsletters and one can even call her for herbal or nutritional advice...see Ginny's Corner

 

I noticed that the essences that I tested for were more in line with the energies of my player boyfriend than myself...hmmmm...perhaps all but one or two out of 8 were what I personally needed and the 6 other essences I tested were for him.

 

Which was probably a good thing for somehow being we exchanged energies during intimacy, I was a helping him balance all those grey areas of those he had selected to be intimate with before me...and perhaps during the time he was with me as well...

 

Yea it is true, the one in love with a player, pays the heavier cost...at least I know for a fact that I did.

 

So there you have, my own personal story...Would I ever consider a ever sharing him with another?  Not on your life for love to me is what Dr. Phil and Robin have...I too one day will have it so, if not here on earth, perhaps in Heaven,

 

So in my book, players, potential friends wanting benefits, swingers, need not apply...Simply because I don't have the time for all of the drama...nor the money necessary to keep all the supply of Oil of Oregano that I would need, or the heart strong enough to share willingly for I am truly selfish when it comes to sharing the other and best side of me...my prince.

 

Yet I wish all well in what ever endeavors one chooses to pursue...Going Home to be with God is my first priority...followed by my prince, followed by my children, family and friends.  Any other design than that, just doesn't make any sense to me.  That's just me...

 

Take what you need and do please leave the rest.

 

We Are All Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

 

 

 

 

 
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January 28, 2008, 6:16 pm PST

What is with the mask

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What's with the masks?

It was a Halloween theme party. Unlike a lot of vanilla people us swingers don’t just sit on the coach we are constantly going to themed parties almost every month. To be honest most times we never even have sex with others it just a lot of fun and if something happens then so be it but its not a requirement for most of us.

 
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January 28, 2008, 6:19 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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Thank you for useing the word opinion.  Not ennough people use that.  My opinion is that cheaters will cheat regardless of if they swing or not.  Most people in the lifestyle have been together for a tleast 10 years.  The average marriage in years of our memebrs at our club is over 18 years wit hthe average age of people at 38.  Now how many organizations can boast those numbers?
I am happy they used the word opinion too.
 
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January 28, 2008, 6:55 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: playfullcouple

We own a swingers club in Canada and have done much research o nthe mater.  Here are the stats across North america.  The numbers are much higher in Europe and lower i nthe far east.

 

50% of couples ahve discussed it more then a fantasy

20% have explored it meaning visited web site, talked to people or visited a swingers club.

10% have tried the lifestyle meaning group sex, swap or 3 sums of some kind.

 

That 10% stay in the lifestyle for some time in one way or another, although, 60% of that 10% never swap, or have teried it and no longer do it.

 

So 10% like the lifestyle and energy, and 6% are active.

 

hope that helps.

 

Playfullcouple

Thanks!    :)

So... what exactly goes on in a swingers club?   How is it different than a regular club?  (im assuming club is being used in the same context as a bar?)
 
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January 28, 2008, 7:05 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

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 I really appreciate the non-swingers that have posted on here that, while it's not for them, they don't feel the need to pass judgement on those that choose to swing. I know in my first post I stated how great my marriage is but it's not because we swing. It's because we're finally to a point to where we are 100% open and honest with each other and I'm truely more in love now than I was early in my marriage. I think a lot of swingers feel the same and try to express it, but it tends to come out that we think our marriages are "better" than monogamous marriages. We're not trying to say that at all. I promise. Many of us have had failed misserable relationships in the past and are just trying to convey the difference between our current versus our past relationships rather than ours versus yours. For those who think that I don't have a real marriage, or that I'm not in love with my husband, that we're just best friends with benefits and need to get a divorce, you couldn't be more wrong. We are very much in love.
And some have also stated that swingers just swing because they've lost the "sizzle" in their relationship. That we care about each other like a sister would a brother and take care of each other, but that we're not "in love" anymore and that we should divorce. If that really was the case (and I assure you it's not) then what about all those couples out there that have been married for 25 years and their kids are all grown and the house is paid off and they are the best of friends and take care of each other and couldn't imagine being with anyone else, but they don't have sex anymore because they've lost the "sizzle"? Should they divorce?
And as far as the adultery thing is concerned, I know that's a sensitive subject and that everyone has their own opinion, but as someone who has truely been cheated on, I can sincerely say that swinging is not cheating. Adultery is not just having sex with someone other than your spouse. It's also about lieing and hiding and giving yourself not only physically to the non-spouse, but also emotionally. A spouse can even cheat without having sex at all. If someone chooses to confide in and share an emotional relationship with someone who is not their spouse, while hiding that relationship and not confiding in their spouse, that is considered cheating in a court of law.
I don't really want to get into the religious part. Too many people believe too many things. And the founding fathers didn't include freedom of religion in the Constitution so that we could all be free to be strict fundamentalists.
As far as being damned to hell and what not, isn't Christianity based on the belief that everyone who believes that God sent his Son to die on the cross for all mans' sin so that if they accept this they'll spend eternity in Heaven? That's what I was taught anyways. That all sin is equal and it says in Romans that all have sinned. That would mean I would only be damned to hell if I don't accept Christ. So since those of you who are damning us don't really know if we will or already have accepted Christ, you really can't say where we'll end up.
To conclude, I am a strong, confident, attractive young woman and so are the women we've met in the lifestyle. We don't do this because our husbands demanded. In fact, almost every couple we've met got into it because the wife wanted to explore her attraction to other women. Most men don't even participate, they just watch their wives. But mainly we do this because we enjoy meeting like-minded couples to have as great friends. My husband and my children come first and if ever one of us wanted to quit there wouldn't even be a discussion. We would just quit and be a happy monogamous couple again.
To those who condemn and say we should be fired from our jobs and have our children taken away, maybe you should take the time to get to know some of us. We're good people that volunteer in our communities, serve our country, donate our time and services to help those less fortunate, contribute to charities raise our children to be positive role models and good stuards.
Let me ask one thing. Would you pull your child out of marching band even though they love it, just because you found out the director was homosexual? Would you refuse a medical procedure just because the only Dr. capable of performing it was an atheist? If no, then why persecute a swinger JUST because they swing?
I know in my first post I stated how great my marriage is but it's not because we swing. It's because we're finally to a point to where we are 100% open and honest with each other and I'm truely more in love now than I was early in my marriage. I think a lot of swingers feel the same and try to express it, but it tends to come out that we think our marriages are "better" than monogamous marriages. We're not trying to say that at all. I promise.

  I can understand some of the defensive posturing from the swingers on board as well as how it may (and has) come across as though you are saying this lifestyle is better than monogamy.  Thanks for clarifying thats not what you meant!   :) 

Im pretty sure what the majority of swingers on board ARE saying is that this lifestyle works better FOR THEM but not neccessarily for OTHERS, yes?
 
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January 28, 2008, 7:15 pm PST

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This situation happened to unfold itself in our "family". Thankfully she divorced herself from the lying, cheating, sick man and let him spiral out of control by himself. But comes the point of all the chaos being brought into the home amongst the children. How do you explain the lifestyle to the children and also justify the expenses taken away from the family. It seems so selfish when you are a parent to put someone else through this, when they didn't ask for this shame of your lifestyle choices. Just how deep persay is your fixation with this "lifestyle" willing to go? Online advertising, group chat rooms, random dates out of personal ads... are you willing to be busted by an undercover agent? This fool did and that is how his life became aparent to his new bride/new mother and family who never saw the signs of his addictions. Is this really a personality disorder or are you just fulfulling some deeper need within your self?
Hi you wanted to know how people live this lifestyle when they have Children well let me tell you I am a swinger i am happly married and my hubby and i do this while the children are not around either we will go to the others home or we do it while the children are at a sleep over maybe you should look into to it instead of judging there is thought
 
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January 28, 2008, 7:20 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: funfriends

It was a Halloween theme party. Unlike a lot of vanilla people us swingers dont just sit on the coach we are constantly going to themed parties almost every month. To be honest most times we never even have sex with others it just a lot of fun and if something happens then so be it but its not a requirement for most of us.

I agree. I have met alot of people in this lifestyle it is not all about sex it is about having fun with yourself and your spouse and others that in this lifestyle and not fell judged about how you feel. we have been doing this for about 2 years and have been together for 6 1/2 years it spices up the relationship. if you do not trust your spouse 100% then this is not for you. and you dont always have to be with another couple it could be with a single women and man.
 
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January 28, 2008, 7:21 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: playfullcouple

Not rare at all.....most are there for that reason, females any way, and about 15% of men as well.  My Wife never looked back either and it was great for us as she surpressed her bi-sexual feelings for so long that she started to surpress all of her sexual feelings.  Being who you are is the most important thing.
Ditto for me on suppressing the bi-sexual feelings.   I was afraid of my husbands response to it and then one night I just blurted it out...lol.  And as they say, the rest is history...lol
 
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January 28, 2008, 7:27 pm PST

01/25 Secrets in the Suburbs

Quote From: playfullcouple

This is so true, that is how 90% of the peopel start in the lifestyle.  Being honest with yourself is the hardest part.
i am bi and the hubby loves it it spices up the sex life
 

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