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October 5, 2005, 9:25 pm PDT

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I am wiring to day about a problem I am having collecting money owed from a customer.  Let me say that I have been a collector for many years and everyhting I have tried does not work. 

My husband and I have a small business and as of late we have been working for a company almost exclusevely.  My husband had been working day and night for these people ,   He has bent over backwards for them, he has worked weekends and late at night, just to get certain parts of a project done on time.  They are always pushing him for more, more more.  He can not move fast enough.  They have also ask that we submit our invoices to them weekly.  Which we have also done.  But when it comes time for payment, we get nothing.  The accountant at the head office is a jerk.  He only pays if you call and at that I have to call a couple of times.  He lies, he tells me he will send payment, then doesn't.  When he does send payment, he will break it up in to little increments.  I always give them 3o days to pay.  But they manage to drag it out for 45 days or longer.  My only other choice is to turn them in for collections, but they always manage to send a check before that happens.  I have faxed final notices that say contact me immediately about this, and they never do.  As was the case yesterday, I called several times through out the day and EVERY TIME I was told this accountant was on the phone.  Then when hec called back, too late in the day to give me an answer, he said he wasn't at the office.  Someone lied to me.  Then I tried to contact him this morning again and I insisted in talking to him and he basically told me, I am too busy to talk to you and I am not going to and he hung up.  My husband is ready to stop working for them.  I am very upset with the disrespect.  All I want to know is when is my payment going to be sent.  I need to know what else I can do?  I have thought about making up a letter of intent that states our work is now complete and have him sign it and write down when I can expect payment.  Is this legal?  Then, when he doesn't pay I can say, you promised to send payment.  I would also like the letter to say that if this happens, then thier account will be sent to my lawyer, no more questions.  But I need help wiritng it.  I need help to make it sound official.  This guy doesn't take me seriously.  I am sick of it.   Please help. 

You sound like a really hard working family. I'm sorry some people take advantage of that.... 

1. " Due in full upon receipt" That needs to go out on all of your invoices 

2. Charge them interest and late fees. Once they pay a $50-100 late fee, because you have printed on their invoice that payment is due at once, they might get their act together. All companies do this- you should too 

3. If all of this fails and you need to keep working with them,  use credit cards. If you accept them, sign a contract that you will bill that company a certain amount of money on the first of every month. You will then process the credit card information, and you will have your money.  

4. It sounds as if they are strapped if they are not paying their contractors promptly- remember, when they go down the tubes, so does your money-  

Honorable people are hard to come by- I wish you good luck in your business!!!!  

 
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October 5, 2005, 9:27 pm PDT

This client is having fun jerking you around

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I am wiring to day about a problem I am having collecting money owed from a customer.  Let me say that I have been a collector for many years and everyhting I have tried does not work. 

My husband and I have a small business and as of late we have been working for a company almost exclusevely.  My husband had been working day and night for these people ,   He has bent over backwards for them, he has worked weekends and late at night, just to get certain parts of a project done on time.  They are always pushing him for more, more more.  He can not move fast enough.  They have also ask that we submit our invoices to them weekly.  Which we have also done.  But when it comes time for payment, we get nothing.  The accountant at the head office is a jerk.  He only pays if you call and at that I have to call a couple of times.  He lies, he tells me he will send payment, then doesn't.  When he does send payment, he will break it up in to little increments.  I always give them 3o days to pay.  But they manage to drag it out for 45 days or longer.  My only other choice is to turn them in for collections, but they always manage to send a check before that happens.  I have faxed final notices that say contact me immediately about this, and they never do.  As was the case yesterday, I called several times through out the day and EVERY TIME I was told this accountant was on the phone.  Then when hec called back, too late in the day to give me an answer, he said he wasn't at the office.  Someone lied to me.  Then I tried to contact him this morning again and I insisted in talking to him and he basically told me, I am too busy to talk to you and I am not going to and he hung up.  My husband is ready to stop working for them.  I am very upset with the disrespect.  All I want to know is when is my payment going to be sent.  I need to know what else I can do?  I have thought about making up a letter of intent that states our work is now complete and have him sign it and write down when I can expect payment.  Is this legal?  Then, when he doesn't pay I can say, you promised to send payment.  I would also like the letter to say that if this happens, then thier account will be sent to my lawyer, no more questions.  But I need help wiritng it.  I need help to make it sound official.  This guy doesn't take me seriously.  I am sick of it.   Please help. 

They are playing with you.  I had a client that did the same with some of his vendors.  He would wait till the vendor was just about to shut off service or take back something, and then pay what was owed.  His axiom was'nobody gets paid till either I say so or they threaten to stop service'.  In reading what was going on I tried to detech 'Breach of Contract' , but they seem to just get to that pre point and then send a payment.  Call your lawyer and see if it doesn't constitute 'Breach', and have them write the letter - that's what you have them for.  Do you have all this documented. 

  

Do not have your husband stop work - don't cut your throat.   

  

                                                                                Rog 

 
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October 7, 2005, 7:01 am PDT

it has hit the fan

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They are playing with you.  I had a client that did the same with some of his vendors.  He would wait till the vendor was just about to shut off service or take back something, and then pay what was owed.  His axiom was'nobody gets paid till either I say so or they threaten to stop service'.  In reading what was going on I tried to detech 'Breach of Contract' , but they seem to just get to that pre point and then send a payment.  Call your lawyer and see if it doesn't constitute 'Breach', and have them write the letter - that's what you have them for.  Do you have all this documented. 

  

Do not have your husband stop work - don't cut your throat.   

  

                                                                                Rog 

Thanks for writing a response.  You know what hit the fan yesterday.  I finally got in touch with the bean counter to this company and we had it out.  I told him exactly what I needed, which is my payment....Now.  I am not going to get it.  He says they are in deep financial trouble and he can only pay so much every week.  I decided to take it, before he told me he would not pay at all. I also made him fax me a letter in writing of his intent. But I told him exactly how I feel about his not returning my phone calls and lying to me just to buy time.  I also told him I am going to charge him for my collection time and since I am going to have to sit on our money I am going to call the bank today and have them calculate the interest on my credit line and I am going to add it to our invoices and he is going to pay my interest.  I have not given up on the idea of calling my lawyer for more collections.  I have also thought about calling the labor board in Pennsylvania where this guy works.  They might like to know what he is up to.  My husband is going to move out of the plant today.  Any projects that need to be finished are going to wait until they get thier balance paid.  We also talked about IF he goes back down there, there is going to be a different way of getting payment. For the other posters.......We work there because we live in a very fast growing area.  My husband is the only one in our area that does food grade stainless steel welding, piping and installation of the systems they use.    He likes doing the work and as of late there has been a ton.  So we do have some leverage that way.  If my husband walks out.  This company is hosed.  We have tons of other customers and lots of other jobs going.  This company is not our only means of revenue.  We have 3 guys working in the shop on everything else.  This company sticks out, because of all my customers and all the people I deal with everyday, they are the ones, I have the most trouble with and if I don't stay on top of my account.  They will let it sit until H....freezes over.  I can charge service charges and they won't pay them.  This bean counter guy is a big JERK!  I am flattly disgusted with this guy and if he misses just one payment, he is going to my lawyer for collections.  I refuse to deal with him any longer. 

Have a great weekend everyone. 

Norma 

 
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October 7, 2005, 7:56 am PDT

Wow .... so you don't want to be paid at all....

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Thanks for writing a response.  You know what hit the fan yesterday.  I finally got in touch with the bean counter to this company and we had it out.  I told him exactly what I needed, which is my payment....Now.  I am not going to get it.  He says they are in deep financial trouble and he can only pay so much every week.  I decided to take it, before he told me he would not pay at all. I also made him fax me a letter in writing of his intent. But I told him exactly how I feel about his not returning my phone calls and lying to me just to buy time.  I also told him I am going to charge him for my collection time and since I am going to have to sit on our money I am going to call the bank today and have them calculate the interest on my credit line and I am going to add it to our invoices and he is going to pay my interest.  I have not given up on the idea of calling my lawyer for more collections.  I have also thought about calling the labor board in Pennsylvania where this guy works.  They might like to know what he is up to.  My husband is going to move out of the plant today.  Any projects that need to be finished are going to wait until they get thier balance paid.  We also talked about IF he goes back down there, there is going to be a different way of getting payment. For the other posters.......We work there because we live in a very fast growing area.  My husband is the only one in our area that does food grade stainless steel welding, piping and installation of the systems they use.    He likes doing the work and as of late there has been a ton.  So we do have some leverage that way.  If my husband walks out.  This company is hosed.  We have tons of other customers and lots of other jobs going.  This company is not our only means of revenue.  We have 3 guys working in the shop on everything else.  This company sticks out, because of all my customers and all the people I deal with everyday, they are the ones, I have the most trouble with and if I don't stay on top of my account.  They will let it sit until H....freezes over.  I can charge service charges and they won't pay them.  This bean counter guy is a big JERK!  I am flattly disgusted with this guy and if he misses just one payment, he is going to my lawyer for collections.  I refuse to deal with him any longer. 

Have a great weekend everyone. 

Norma 

Looks like the company is heading for bankrupcy .....  sorry about hearing about that.    

  

I hope that you have other companies that you can turn to help you thru this lost. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:01 pm PDT

Norma

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I am wiring to day about a problem I am having collecting money owed from a customer.  Let me say that I have been a collector for many years and everyhting I have tried does not work. 

My husband and I have a small business and as of late we have been working for a company almost exclusevely.  My husband had been working day and night for these people ,   He has bent over backwards for them, he has worked weekends and late at night, just to get certain parts of a project done on time.  They are always pushing him for more, more more.  He can not move fast enough.  They have also ask that we submit our invoices to them weekly.  Which we have also done.  But when it comes time for payment, we get nothing.  The accountant at the head office is a jerk.  He only pays if you call and at that I have to call a couple of times.  He lies, he tells me he will send payment, then doesn't.  When he does send payment, he will break it up in to little increments.  I always give them 3o days to pay.  But they manage to drag it out for 45 days or longer.  My only other choice is to turn them in for collections, but they always manage to send a check before that happens.  I have faxed final notices that say contact me immediately about this, and they never do.  As was the case yesterday, I called several times through out the day and EVERY TIME I was told this accountant was on the phone.  Then when hec called back, too late in the day to give me an answer, he said he wasn't at the office.  Someone lied to me.  Then I tried to contact him this morning again and I insisted in talking to him and he basically told me, I am too busy to talk to you and I am not going to and he hung up.  My husband is ready to stop working for them.  I am very upset with the disrespect.  All I want to know is when is my payment going to be sent.  I need to know what else I can do?  I have thought about making up a letter of intent that states our work is now complete and have him sign it and write down when I can expect payment.  Is this legal?  Then, when he doesn't pay I can say, you promised to send payment.  I would also like the letter to say that if this happens, then thier account will be sent to my lawyer, no more questions.  But I need help wiritng it.  I need help to make it sound official.  This guy doesn't take me seriously.  I am sick of it.   Please help. 

If the bean counter (my background is finance/accounting) did indeed fax you a letter gauranteeing payment, then I believe that constitutes a 'contract' and if they don't follow thru, then I believe it's 'Breach of Contract'. 

  

That accounting is either lying or telling the truth.  If only your husband is working there then you two are considered 'vendors', and the employment laws don't pertain to you.  Find out if they are going to file for bankruptcy, once they do - kiss the money goodbye.  If your attorney can file suit before they file, I read in the paper about a 90 day period - don't hesitate to talk to your lawyer. 

  

Is your and your husbands company do well other wize. 

  

Rog 

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:50 pm PDT

Norma

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I am wiring to day about a problem I am having collecting money owed from a customer.  Let me say that I have been a collector for many years and everyhting I have tried does not work. 

My husband and I have a small business and as of late we have been working for a company almost exclusevely.  My husband had been working day and night for these people ,   He has bent over backwards for them, he has worked weekends and late at night, just to get certain parts of a project done on time.  They are always pushing him for more, more more.  He can not move fast enough.  They have also ask that we submit our invoices to them weekly.  Which we have also done.  But when it comes time for payment, we get nothing.  The accountant at the head office is a jerk.  He only pays if you call and at that I have to call a couple of times.  He lies, he tells me he will send payment, then doesn't.  When he does send payment, he will break it up in to little increments.  I always give them 3o days to pay.  But they manage to drag it out for 45 days or longer.  My only other choice is to turn them in for collections, but they always manage to send a check before that happens.  I have faxed final notices that say contact me immediately about this, and they never do.  As was the case yesterday, I called several times through out the day and EVERY TIME I was told this accountant was on the phone.  Then when hec called back, too late in the day to give me an answer, he said he wasn't at the office.  Someone lied to me.  Then I tried to contact him this morning again and I insisted in talking to him and he basically told me, I am too busy to talk to you and I am not going to and he hung up.  My husband is ready to stop working for them.  I am very upset with the disrespect.  All I want to know is when is my payment going to be sent.  I need to know what else I can do?  I have thought about making up a letter of intent that states our work is now complete and have him sign it and write down when I can expect payment.  Is this legal?  Then, when he doesn't pay I can say, you promised to send payment.  I would also like the letter to say that if this happens, then thier account will be sent to my lawyer, no more questions.  But I need help wiritng it.  I need help to make it sound official.  This guy doesn't take me seriously.  I am sick of it.   Please help. 

want to give me your email address. 

  

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October 10, 2005, 1:53 pm PDT

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want to give me your email address. 

  

                                                         Rog 

you can email if you like my address is: 

  

fire_mom3@yahoo.com 

  

There is an underscore between fire and mom.  Thanks for writing back.  I am going to need some help with this situation if that's ok. 

  

I got a letter that states that this company is going to send us a certain amount everyweek.  I had the bean counter guy send it to me, because as I was talking to him, I ask, "how do I know you will do what you say"  Something he knows nothing about.  He caughed and stammered, and said " don't know"  So I told him fax it to me today.  And he did.  So I do have that and after ouconversation last Thurday, if he misses even one payment, for what ever reason, he is going to my lawyer for further collections.  I am done trying to reason with this jerk. 

  

We found out friday that the bean counter guy and another head guy in the home office, spent all the money that was given to them by investors for the projects that my husband has been working on.  My husband went down to the plant today and there were alot of people talking about lay offs.  So it is getting bad.   

  

This company is not our only means of income.  IT has just been a very steady one for over a year now.  We learned early on to be diverse enough that if one thing goes away, you still have more.  That is where we are at.  But still when you loose something like this, it makes an impact. 

  

Please email me and I will explain more.  I am off to my other job. 

Talk to you soon 

Norma 

 
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October 10, 2005, 4:51 pm PDT

Good for you!!!

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you can email if you like my address is: 

  

fire_mom3@yahoo.com 

  

There is an underscore between fire and mom.  Thanks for writing back.  I am going to need some help with this situation if that's ok. 

  

I got a letter that states that this company is going to send us a certain amount everyweek.  I had the bean counter guy send it to me, because as I was talking to him, I ask, "how do I know you will do what you say"  Something he knows nothing about.  He caughed and stammered, and said " don't know"  So I told him fax it to me today.  And he did.  So I do have that and after ouconversation last Thurday, if he misses even one payment, for what ever reason, he is going to my lawyer for further collections.  I am done trying to reason with this jerk. 

  

We found out friday that the bean counter guy and another head guy in the home office, spent all the money that was given to them by investors for the projects that my husband has been working on.  My husband went down to the plant today and there were alot of people talking about lay offs.  So it is getting bad.   

  

This company is not our only means of income.  IT has just been a very steady one for over a year now.  We learned early on to be diverse enough that if one thing goes away, you still have more.  That is where we are at.  But still when you loose something like this, it makes an impact. 

  

Please email me and I will explain more.  I am off to my other job. 

Talk to you soon 

Norma 

It always amazes me how INSTANT GRATIFICATION makes complete ass's out of folks.   Now these 2 are the main cause for why others are going to suffer.   

  

I'm glad you are diversified.  It shows that you did good! 

 
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October 11, 2005, 8:01 pm PDT

Mechanics Lien

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you can email if you like my address is: 

  

fire_mom3@yahoo.com 

  

There is an underscore between fire and mom.  Thanks for writing back.  I am going to need some help with this situation if that's ok. 

  

I got a letter that states that this company is going to send us a certain amount everyweek.  I had the bean counter guy send it to me, because as I was talking to him, I ask, "how do I know you will do what you say"  Something he knows nothing about.  He caughed and stammered, and said " don't know"  So I told him fax it to me today.  And he did.  So I do have that and after ouconversation last Thurday, if he misses even one payment, for what ever reason, he is going to my lawyer for further collections.  I am done trying to reason with this jerk. 

  

We found out friday that the bean counter guy and another head guy in the home office, spent all the money that was given to them by investors for the projects that my husband has been working on.  My husband went down to the plant today and there were alot of people talking about lay offs.  So it is getting bad.   

  

This company is not our only means of income.  IT has just been a very steady one for over a year now.  We learned early on to be diverse enough that if one thing goes away, you still have more.  That is where we are at.  But still when you loose something like this, it makes an impact. 

  

Please email me and I will explain more.  I am off to my other job. 

Talk to you soon 

Norma 

I think you can file a Mechanics Lien for work done and payment not received if the issue has been recurrent.I am not up on the legalities, but that way with the lien, people are aware of the situation if the company suddenly gets sold, refinances, or applies for further money to keep running. And if any substantial part of the business is liquidated, your name is in the running for the money. Just a thought.... 
 
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October 12, 2005, 8:15 am PDT

Finally, I balanced my checking account ....

I finally reached the point where I had to face my fears and step up to the plate -- I'm still not happy with losing it last August.  And then allowing the FEARS that I have done so much damage pop up big time.  Now, I'm able to really see the damage and to deal with the emotions that it's bringing up to the forefront.  I know that I will work thru this and that I will once again do this to myself.  It's not easy to tackle a life time fear.  Yet, I also know that each time I come to this place, it will be easier and easier for me to pick up the pieces and move forward once again.    

  

Now, I can begin the slow process of answering the many questions that I have not wanted to answer as well as to plan for the next time this is going to happen.  Cause it will.  It always has in the past and as I'm still having difficulty tackling the old tapes, I will be here again.  This time, it won't last as long.  It's my choice to keep this as my main focus now. 

 
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