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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:28:17 am
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Dr. Phil takes a look at the unthinkable: making your own child sick to fulfill a disturbing need to get medicine, sympathy and attention. The idea might sound unimaginable, but for people with a psychological disorder called Munchausen by Proxy, it’s irresistible. First, see disturbing footage of parents caught on tape actually causing harm to their children. Then, Dr. Phil looks into the mind of one woman, Tracy, convicted of trying to harm her youngest daughter by constantly keeping her sick. Hear from Tracy's oldest daughter, Heather, who survived years of her mother’s abuse. She says her mom forced her into a wheelchair unnecessarily, took her to almost 400 medical visits, and caused her to spend over 100 days of her life in hospital beds -- needlessly. Most disturbing of all is the secret Heather revealed to police about what her mother buried in their back yard. When Dr. Phil makes a phone call to Tracy in prison, will she acknowledge the problem with her parenting? And could she be preparing to have another child? Hear Dr. Phil’s strong words for this Munchausen mom. Plus, how are Tracy’s children doing now that she is out of their lives? Note: Viewer discretion is advised. Join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 9:43 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

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i need to know how to handle a case of this sort. my godson is 7 and his mother takes him from doctor to therapist to try and find something wrong with him. at this time he is on 7 kinds of meds. add, sleep disorder, possible seizure meds, etc. he sleeps very well when he is here everyother weekend and at his fathers. he is so wired with all the pills he is having problems in school. what do i do? she keeps his doctors names a secret and tells no one what is going on. help, please.
 We are dealing with a very similar case.  My stepson was taken to the ER countless times and had mutliple surgeries.  His mother would always have him on many, many medications.  She would make up cancer and disease stories about him and his brother.  She is a pathological liar and loves drama.  We have him now, thanks to family and protective services.  What you should do is keep a detailed journal, write down all you can remember from what has happened and contact your local CPS or family protective services...they'll investigate this.  Time is of the essence.
 
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October 12, 2007, 10:42 pm PDT

CHILD ABUSE!!!

  In regards to the show about "Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy".  I don't doubt the professsionalism of Dr. Phil, I personally love Dr. Phil and I don't miss an episode, but is this not just giving people an excuse to abuse their children?  I just gave birth to twin miracle babies. A boy and a girl.  They are my world and I can't imagine causing harm, in any way to my children.
When I saw the clips of (so called) mothers smothering those defenseless babies, I wanted to go through the television. I was holding my son at the exact moment while my daughter slept, and I knew that those people could not touch my children, but I went into defensive mode.  Just the thought of harm coming to any child just mortifies me.  God gives us these children to love and to protect.  These ingreats who ABUSE their children should be prosecuted to the furthest extent!!  Further more, they should be chemically castrated, sterilized, forced to have a hysterectomy, anything to insure the fact they can NEVER do these hateful acts to another innocent child.
MAYBE if they were forced into these medical procedures, they MIGHT be able to empathize with what they have done to their own flesh and blood.
So, getting back to my point.  Calling these deplorible actions "Munchausen Syndrome" is just a way of giving these people more of the attention that they want.  The description I have for these actions is pure and simple...CHILD ABUSE!!
 

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October 13, 2007, 5:13 am PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

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i just hope she can find away to get help
Where was the father of all these children?
 
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October 13, 2007, 6:56 am PDT

scary stuff

I've heard of this for years now, really awful to watch.  I think the daughter who found the baby also found herself exaggerating on the whole "found the baby alive" thing, the detective even said he'd never heard that before.  She must be one confused 19 year old, so unmedicated therapy can't hurt.   

 

People do all sorts of things to gain attention, affairs, suicide attempts, any high drama drinking,  This is the lowest of the low.  I'm amazed how the average American knows so much about prescription drugs these days, it's like they love to discuss their medication....maybe more people have this problem than we realise, maybe they apply it to themselves as well.

 

I find it odd that doctors are willing to work with these women, not knowingly of course, but a doctor, just like an auto mechanic, can always find something wrong.  Possibly why bi-polar disorder, or even ADHD is diagnosed so often these days, easy to apply, harder to prove.  This is no different than a plastic surgeon who happily keeps operating on the same people over and over.  With prescription drug commercials rampant on the airwaves, doctor appointments have tripled over the last 8 years or so (there was a study done), which I understand completely since the commercials always want you to "make an appt. with your doctor", proof that advertising works!..... 

I believe in socialized medicine, always have, medicine for profit just bothers me. 

Fascinating/scary stuff Dr. Phil. 

Love, Luanne

 

 
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October 13, 2007, 7:44 am PDT

Munchausen Mom

I was watching the show the other day when you had that mother on. First she should not be allowed to have any more children and what happen to the little boy that you show at the begining. You just showed the two girls I thought she had a little boy

 

 
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October 13, 2007, 9:10 am PDT

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i just want to say these kids were lucky, they are alive. my sister in law had this and was able to kill three of my nieces before she was caught. you have no idea how much pain this has caused my family and her two surviving children. i was only five or six when this was going on but i clearly remember seeing many incidents of abuse and my niece witnessed her mom killing one of the babies. the day my sister in law killed herself was the day i stopped being scared of dying. i didn't know what was killing my nieces, i thought they were dying in their sleep and i thought that is how i would die. people tell you the pain will go away, but it never does. you never get over someone murdering little babies.
 
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October 13, 2007, 9:38 am PDT

Yahoo group

Quote From: dobikinz

My sister and I survived MSBP as children. It is like a childhood in the "twilight zone." For 20 years, our mother has denied what she did to us even in the face of our telling her that we were not sick. Even more painful than the abuse is the reaction of other family members who negate the harm and pressure us to basically stick to the family script.

My mother nearly killed me. I still fear that I'll become incompacitated and my mother will be allowed to visit my hospital room, charm the nursing staff, impress everyone with her competence and commitment as a parent and then kill me.

I would like to find an online support group for survivors of MSBP. I've always wanted to process some of my memories, but am not sure where to find someone who would really understand.
I am also a survivor with a mother in denial. There is one yahoo group with other people that are very supportive. Just type in muchausen by proxy in the group search box. Everyone is nice there, but as you can imagine we all have differing amounts of healing that has been done. There is also another board at www.ashermeadow.com, but it is larger and is sometimes attended by those "falsely accused" of MSBP. I found it difficult to deal with these people so I generally prefered the smaller yahoo group.

All the best to you and your sister. Remember you did nothing wrong and your mother is responsible. It is great that you and your sister have each other and I respect you for not selling out your own memory for the comfort of other family members.
 
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October 13, 2007, 9:45 am PDT

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Being in an ongoing  struggle to convince anyone that someone is hurting their child I can tell you that no one really wants to believe such things happen. The first thing you must do in your quest to educate on this subject is to expose those confirmed cases and their commonalities to the judge and jury.  Secondly you have to show that the perp has actually been caught in the act somehow.  Show that the child thrives outside of that parents care. Interview the child directly and or look at child play, drawings and interests. Observation of the child often will lead to discoveries regarding their actual experience with their own parents techniques.  Also take a look at the parents family and their histories.  Much can be learned from all the above....and please do not give up.  You are not only charged with the responsibility of this one child victim, but with all who suffer at the hands of harmful parents.  You must be strong and vigilant and above all never invent, exagerate or disregard any of your information.  A true Munchausen profile is disturbing enough and will reveal the truth in fact. Just as the world is against pedophilia and physical/mental abuse of children...the world must also recognise and deal with this deadly and selfish syndrome that affects so many innocent young lives. 

 

You will encounter many brickwalls and people who don't want to get involved. You will find that many will only provide information that is slanted or somehow tainted to their own benefit. Much of the information will be incomplete and some of it will be outright lies. Despite all this be educated as much as possible. An uninformed representative can be of no use to the cause. I pray that you are up to the fight. Have courage and strength. God be with you.

Try Marc Feldman as an expert witness. He has contact information online. There are so few that know about MSBP. CONGRATS on going out on a limb to prosecute this mother. As a survivor of MSBP, I am grateful by proxy :)
 
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October 13, 2007, 9:59 am PDT

Survivors of MSBP

To all you survivors of MSBP, you can find support online. Try the yahoo group Adult Survivors of Munchausen by Proxy Abuse ASOMBPA. They are small, but very supportive. I have found insight by listenting and talking to other survivors of this disorder.

Please know that it is not your fault and that much like sexual abuse your bodies were used for someone else's purpose. You can live a good life despite your childhood. There are other people out there that understand what growing up like this is like. Even if other people don't want to hear that a mother would ever do this to her child, remember the truth will set you free. Find support and live well :)
 

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October 13, 2007, 11:12 am PDT

Munchausen

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I have to say the definitions by the expert Dr. Librow were incredibly broad and encompassed most parents of  children with special needs. 

Some 85 to 95 percent of the people engaged in this are mothers, unfortunately, says Dr. Libow. "They tend to be very good imposters at looking like the ideal parent. They impress people often in healthcare centers in terms of being devoted to their children.  

Really? it's 85 to 95% of the time the mother's who provide the primary care to the children so it's not surprising they're they ones taking children for care.  I don't know of any mother's who's children have a prolonged disability who don't know the terminology or develop a relationship or show gratitude to care providers. 

 

I totally agree with you. If my son gets sick or something is wrong I call and make an appointment for him for that afternoon (only a few times have I needed to do this) and then I go to my baby books and read everything that index tells me too. So when I go walking into that doctors office I have a pretty good idea what is going on but I wanted a doctor to give that finally say. I have had all my doctors tells me that I'm a great mother and its good I have all the books it makes there job easier, i really don't trust advice from my family so I like having my books, my first child and all.

 

But I think the big sign is, is not going a week without going to the hospital with your kid, and it not being the same problem but different problems everytime. I would assume a woman that feels her child is sick and brings him/her into the doctors and ER for the same symptoms she just wants answers to why her child is sick. But I would worry about someone if it was always different every weak. Kids arent the most healthy little people but they don't get that sick either.

 
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