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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:28:17 am
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Dr. Phil takes a look at the unthinkable: making your own child sick to fulfill a disturbing need to get medicine, sympathy and attention. The idea might sound unimaginable, but for people with a psychological disorder called Munchausen by Proxy, it’s irresistible. First, see disturbing footage of parents caught on tape actually causing harm to their children. Then, Dr. Phil looks into the mind of one woman, Tracy, convicted of trying to harm her youngest daughter by constantly keeping her sick. Hear from Tracy's oldest daughter, Heather, who survived years of her mother’s abuse. She says her mom forced her into a wheelchair unnecessarily, took her to almost 400 medical visits, and caused her to spend over 100 days of her life in hospital beds -- needlessly. Most disturbing of all is the secret Heather revealed to police about what her mother buried in their back yard. When Dr. Phil makes a phone call to Tracy in prison, will she acknowledge the problem with her parenting? And could she be preparing to have another child? Hear Dr. Phil’s strong words for this Munchausen mom. Plus, how are Tracy’s children doing now that she is out of their lives? Note: Viewer discretion is advised. Join the discussion.

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October 15, 2007, 11:07 am PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

I was deeply saddened and absolutely heart broken when I watched this show and heard all of the disgusting and horrible things this "so called mother" would do to her own innocent children. My blood was boiling in anger at her. How could somebody bury their new born child alive and continue to abuse their children every day??!! I just don't get it. This woman is very sick and should never be released back into the world, who knows what she would do again!! She obviously needs serious help and I honestly don't think she even deserves that attention. To this day she still believes that she was in the right and that is just absurd and ridiculous.

 

Much love to Heather, Elizabeth and Joseph. I hope you all live a healthy, productive and happy life with your new very loving and nurturing family. You all deserve the very best life can offer. God bless both families that stepped up and brought safety and comfort to these children. You are all a true gift. My thoughts and prayers will always be with you all. Take care!  

 
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October 15, 2007, 11:30 am PDT

make a report

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I know someone that I really think is a Munchhausen mom, but I'm not sure what to do about it.  I don't know them very well at all.  I used to teach a couple of her children in church a few years back and she still lives in my neighborhood, but I don't really talk to her much or anything.  Her kids always seem to be sick and have something wrong with them.  Her son was in my class and didn't come much, but he supposedly has autism and he didn't seem like it to me at all.  She home schools her kids because she says they all have learning disabilities and the special education teacher at the school told her that there was nothing wrong with her kids and they didn't need to be in special ed.  I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  I would hate to wrongly accuse her and I feel bad for people that this happens to, but on the other hand, what if she is hurting her kids?  Please tell me what you think.

 

I was the detective you saw on the show, Det. Rose.  I would encourage you to err on the side of the children.  If your gut and instincts are telling you something is wrong, coupled with what you have seen, you should make a report to your Dept of Children Services.  You certainly do not want to falsely accuse someone, but how do you know?  Make the call and hope that you are wrong about the mother. 

 
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October 15, 2007, 11:40 am PDT

convictions

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Seeing this show absolutely made me sick to my stomach, I cried for hours, and couldn't eat the rest of the day.  I have two beautiful little boys and couldn't ever imagine causing them harm.  It broke my heart to see how those disgustingly sick mothers could actually lay over their children, smoothing them, just to get attention, it is absolutely sick, and I feel so bad for those children who are so defenseless and can't get help!!!   My question is, Dr. Phil showed those videos but didn't expand to tell us if those women were ever convicted for what they were doing?  It was caught on tape so there for I would like to believe that the children were taken from the mothers and placed where they would be safe and the mothers would be put away!!!  After seeing this I wish there were video cameras in all hospital rooms to caught these sick mothers harming their children!!!  I am outraged, sickened, and hurt that this is going on and innocent children are being harmed or killed everyday at the hands of the women who are suppost to care, nuture and love them, it is truely heartbreaking, I wish I could just scoop those kids up in my arms and keep them safe.
daisygreen -- There are very few convictions when it comes to child abuse as related to Munchausen.  I believe that is primarily a result of how little is still known about this mental disorder.  We are fortunate in the state of Florida in that most jurisdictions recognize MSBP as a reason and not an excuse for the torture and abuse of children.  This was a complex and lengthy investigation that involved several agencies.  It was only through a collaborative effort that we were able to get a conviction.  I appreciated the Dr. Phil bringing this to light.  Since the show aired I have received calls from law enforcement agencies, state attorney offices and others to get more infomation on how we conducted our investigation. 
 
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October 15, 2007, 6:45 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

When my now 17 year old was younger he was constantly sick.  I had to become educated in "Doctor Speak" so that I could advocate for him.  Once when he was about 3 he started violently vomiting and then became totally lethargic.  I called my husband frantic.  At that time, my sister-in-law demanded to know why he always got sick when I was around.  I guess she thought I was making him sick.  Finally, when he was 11, after many, many years of doctors, hospitals, tears, frustration, I demanded he be sent to a pediatric rheumatologist.  My son would have bouts where he literally could not walk.  We had done the PT and MRI's to no avail.  I actually had to pitch a fit with his pediatrician to get the referral.  The PR watched him walk, felt his joints, took lots of blood. Within 72 hours he diagnosed him with PSRA (post strep reactive arthritis)-started him on about 16 different meds (that have over time been weeded down to one).  After a week my son started gaining weight, color, muscle, his asthma disappeared, his chronic sore throat went away. I guess what I am saying is that we need to be careful with this MP label.  As parents, are job is to advocate for our children.
 
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October 16, 2007, 10:43 am PDT

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First, from my understanding, a munchausen perpetrator does not suffer from a mental illness. Second, any psych tests they are given have them registering as normal. Case in point: Tanya Thaxton Reid, the subject of the Gregg Olsen book Cruel Deceptions. Tanya was a nurse (very common among munchausen perpetrators) whose children were always sick. Or so everyone thought until she buried her 9-month old daughter and then two years later her newborn son had the same symptoms. A munchausen by proxy case, when tried, is distinctive, in that they make it clear that no one suffers from munchausen syndrome. As in the case of Tanya Reid and her children, Tanya did not suffer from Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy-she committed it. Nor did her children suffer from Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy-they were victims of it
 
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October 16, 2007, 10:42 pm PDT

hurting children for attention

I know a foster parent who I believe harms children so she can be the "rescurer"  "hero" "Save the world" 

i have believed this for several years and have even said something about it but was retaliated against because of it.  When i was watching Dr. phil tonight it brought back my fears for the children in this home.  The description of a mother who does this kind of thing fits this woman to the "T"

Scarry...i guess one of these children will have to die in this home before anyone will sit up and take notice...

 
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October 17, 2007, 8:18 am PDT

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I am a little angry about this story. I don't understand if you know she had killed her baby and she admits to doing it why will she not be charged with the murder. Whether she meant to do it or not she needs to be held accountable for her actions. I know I look at my kids everyday and the thought of making them ill for my gratification makes me sick. How people can get away with this with little to no time in jail makes me sick. How is the world going to end up if we do not put our foot down now and say enough is enough.

 

 
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October 17, 2007, 11:56 am PDT

Survivors of MSBP

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I am 27 years old and also a survivor of MSBP.  My mother denies she ever did anything wrong.  She will deny it forever.  I actually do have an illness but she made it much, much worse to the point where I was on what she likes to call "my death bed".  My medical charts show that she repeatedly refused giving me the necessary medications that would have saved me a lot of pain.  I was given VERY clear warnings by her not to tell the doctors (or my father) that I wasn't taking those meds.  She is a master manipulator.  She is a pathological liar.  She knew all the medical terminology.  She had the doctors wrapped around her little finger.  She wouldn't leave me alone for a minute.  I spent so much time in hospitals... My medical charts are about 2 feet high.  She was the poor grieving mom of a sick kid and everyone pitied her. 

 

DOBIKINZ:  I would also like to find some kind of group for survivors.  If you want to message me, do not hesitate to do so.   For me, the worst part about all this is that I TRUSTED my mother so much....... I'm trying very hard to deal with the abuse (I suffer from PTSD because of this).  I still fear that she will "get me" somehow, too.  Believe me, I understand all too well.   

Take a look at the yahoo group for Adult Survivors of MSBP. There are very few resources or insights available from professional resources. Many folks just don't understand what this disorder is or what kind of fallout it causes for survivors of it. I think it is most like incest-manipulation of the child's mind, invasive use of a childs body, dangerous secrets and lots of lies to the world at large. Check out the Yahoo group and know that it is not your fault. You are only responsible for making your life the best you can now.
 
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October 17, 2007, 3:56 pm PDT

Start documentation

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I have an ex sister in law who has munchausen by proxy.  I have seen her fabricate and exaggerate illnesses with her three children, over medicate and have them hospitalized, ingratiate herself with health care professionals etc.  The list is so numerous it can't be listed here. 

   One time a niece supposedly fell and had a concussion. My niece later told me that her mother tripped her causing her to fall and hit her head on the sink.  My niece was supposed to wear a protective helmet after the fall.  Mom made her wear it to school but not at home.  Another time mom told the school that one of the children had been beated.  Unbeknownst to mom, the school had CPS come check the child and there was no bruising.  The next day mom shows up at school with photos of the alleged bruising.  CPS was called again by the school and there was no bruising.  They questioned the child and the child said that mom was painting smiley faces on her buttocks and pointed to the makeup accidentally left in the picture.  I have seen her grab the children, point and poke at their eyes, pull their eyelashes and when their eyes turn red show the girls how red their eyes are, tell them they have pink eye, put vaseline in their eyes and make them take breathing treatments.  They have been treated for false mental disorders, ADHD, breathing difficulty, strep throat, ear infections, one time mom said the kids had SARS!  The most recent problem is treating one of her children with Depakote 500 mg for supposed difficulty sleeping.  When the children are not with her there are no signs of health problems.  I've reported these things to Protective services, the courts and they started to look at the possibility and then  mom had a Dr. write a note saying that she saw no signs of munchausen. Officials did not pursue it any further. 

   I understand that it is much more tedious and involved to make a determination of this type.  No one has reviewed all past medical records looking for inconsistencies, lies and falsehoods.  I am worried about the children who have been medicated for their entire lives and have been told they are sick, have been placed in psychiatric hospitals...all the mom has to do is tell the medical professionals that the children have x x x x symptoms and the doctor naturally believes the mother.  I wish I could get real help for these children to protect them from their mother.  I am at a loss...Does anyone have any suggestions?

I would try to stay very close to my sister in law ad document in writing everything that is suspecious.  Keep a record especially of is she sayd thing like, "I talked to the teacher..." write down the teachers names in your notes. I would suspect you did not have any documentation when you first reported her. You ahve to know that it is only the family who will be in a position to report this, if her doctors have not caught on. If really you do care for the children then it is up to you to start documenting. If you can get other members who also belive she has this syndrom to also document that would be even better.

 

Just think if something does happen to the kids and you knew that you could have prevented it if you would ahve taken the time to document, how will you feel then? What does the father of these kids say about your suspecions?

 
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October 17, 2007, 4:54 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

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go to my diaries an read up alittle more on thi , we have the 2 little babies  and are adopting them and maybe the ew baby as well.
God Bless you and your husband. The father of the children, was he okay with his wife giving birth at home and then burrying the child in the yard next to the shed?  She admits this, and the father of the children he is okay with this?
 
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