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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:28:17 am
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Dr. Phil takes a look at the unthinkable: making your own child sick to fulfill a disturbing need to get medicine, sympathy and attention. The idea might sound unimaginable, but for people with a psychological disorder called Munchausen by Proxy, it’s irresistible. First, see disturbing footage of parents caught on tape actually causing harm to their children. Then, Dr. Phil looks into the mind of one woman, Tracy, convicted of trying to harm her youngest daughter by constantly keeping her sick. Hear from Tracy's oldest daughter, Heather, who survived years of her mother’s abuse. She says her mom forced her into a wheelchair unnecessarily, took her to almost 400 medical visits, and caused her to spend over 100 days of her life in hospital beds -- needlessly. Most disturbing of all is the secret Heather revealed to police about what her mother buried in their back yard. When Dr. Phil makes a phone call to Tracy in prison, will she acknowledge the problem with her parenting? And could she be preparing to have another child? Hear Dr. Phil’s strong words for this Munchausen mom. Plus, how are Tracy’s children doing now that she is out of their lives? Note: Viewer discretion is advised. Join the discussion.

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October 11, 2007, 1:32 pm PDT

Adult Survivor

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My sister and I survived MSBP as children. It is like a childhood in the "twilight zone." For 20 years, our mother has denied what she did to us even in the face of our telling her that we were not sick. Even more painful than the abuse is the reaction of other family members who negate the harm and pressure us to basically stick to the family script.

My mother nearly killed me. I still fear that I'll become incompacitated and my mother will be allowed to visit my hospital room, charm the nursing staff, impress everyone with her competence and commitment as a parent and then kill me.

I would like to find an online support group for survivors of MSBP. I've always wanted to process some of my memories, but am not sure where to find someone who would really understand.

I am 27 years old and also a survivor of MSBP.  My mother denies she ever did anything wrong.  She will deny it forever.  I actually do have an illness but she made it much, much worse to the point where I was on what she likes to call "my death bed".  My medical charts show that she repeatedly refused giving me the necessary medications that would have saved me a lot of pain.  I was given VERY clear warnings by her not to tell the doctors (or my father) that I wasn't taking those meds.  She is a master manipulator.  She is a pathological liar.  She knew all the medical terminology.  She had the doctors wrapped around her little finger.  She wouldn't leave me alone for a minute.  I spent so much time in hospitals... My medical charts are about 2 feet high.  She was the poor grieving mom of a sick kid and everyone pitied her. 

 

DOBIKINZ:  I would also like to find some kind of group for survivors.  If you want to message me, do not hesitate to do so.   For me, the worst part about all this is that I TRUSTED my mother so much....... I'm trying very hard to deal with the abuse (I suffer from PTSD because of this).  I still fear that she will "get me" somehow, too.  Believe me, I understand all too well.   

 
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October 11, 2007, 1:32 pm PDT

When you think it's Munchausen...

 My whole family watched your show today in anticipation of getting some information regarding the help that these people need.  We are a large, loving family who have witnessed what we believe is the destruction of the emotional well being, and physical danger of our young teenage neice.  Our sister-in-law is a very well educated RN in the mental health field with years of mental "tragedies" in her own family, and we have witnessed her destroying her young daughter.  She has told us stories of behaviors of her daughter that only she sees. She has related "episodes" to highly regarded pschiatrists at the institution where she works of her daughters behaviors, told them the medication that she thinks she should be on, and has trialed a miriad of dangerous pharmaceuticals on her.  I tried to intervene when she told us that her daughter can't handle any more family functions and is on a medication called clozaril. I know that to be a very dangerous drug not to be administered unless strict medical guidelines and follow up are in place.  She has not spoken to any of us since this encounter months ago, and we are all very upset and worried about our neice.  We were hoping you could direct us more clearly to a hotline or more information than buying yet another book.  Any insight as to where we can go from here would be greatly appreciated.
 
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October 11, 2007, 1:34 pm PDT

Right to breed?

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no they are not sterilized they are given a chemical to cut off there sexual drive which is even rare to happen actaully its not as common as in TV shows. They are still able to have children. We all have the right to breed that what the prochoice movement has been about the right of choice over your body.

  She has a court order already that she is not going to be allowed near children when she gets out....If in fact, they do not force her to have her tubes tied, they will remove IMMEDIATELY and child she gives birth to...but given her history that she hides her pregnancies, and delivers at home, I believe a court order would be put in place, and she will have to have her tubes tied as an agreement for parole.  I can't believe she would be allowed to have more babies....if so, then it's a sad state that the court system has.
 
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October 11, 2007, 1:35 pm PDT

Yes it does

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Just because she abused her child does not mean that the government has a right to force her into any type of procedure. I don't believe that she deserves anymore, however it is like telling people to go use their money to get a procedure. If you want this done to people you pay for it.
Thats is exactly what the goverment should do!! The world would be better off without people like her in it!!
 
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October 11, 2007, 1:35 pm PDT

Right Under Your Nose

 

   I've tried to help a 2nd generation victim of MBP for  such a  long time.

 

  The perpetrator is too convincing. She has fooled every kind of expert you can imagine.

Just like the mother in your story. I think she could get away with almost anything.

 

  It's amazing that mothers with MBP ever get caught. They are so convincing. And people assume that victims like me, are crazy, lying or ungrateful.

 

 

 

 

 
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October 11, 2007, 1:41 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

I have a concern.  My son (Who has high functioning autism) has been dating a girl.  I had wanted to meet with her parents months ago but was always given as excuse as to why we couldn't meet.  I finanly got to meet them to plan "The baby shower"   Come to find out, the woman I met with  is her birth mother not adoptive mother (I was told her parents and brother died in a car accident) and this girl has somatic disorder.  99% of the information my son told me about her is untrue, yet he believes it  because what she says is golden to him.   He believes she had a tumor removed from her brain and now has epilepsy.  The due date has now been moved up 6 weeks which tells me the baby probably is not my sons.  this girl has been to the hospital at least 8 times since her pregnancy began.  She even had her appendix out!.  She has even approached me about my son possibly being bipolar or having blackouts and wants for him to have a psychiatric eval.  What chance does this baby have?  How can someone from the outside intervene?
 
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October 11, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

I would say what Tracey was doing was pretty high on the cold and heartless scale, the sad thing is, she is planning to do more. Shes preggers again. It sucks really
 
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October 11, 2007, 1:43 pm PDT

a web site i found

Quote From: vnilla007

 Does anyone know if this disease is passed down from generation from generation? I know someone who constantly complains of illness, her kids constantly complain about how sick they are and how sick their kids are......it makes me wonder.

im not sure if this web site will answer all your questions but i hope it can help.

 http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume5/j5_3_1.htm 

 
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October 11, 2007, 1:44 pm PDT

Munchausen

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This topic upsets us all, makes us sick, and makes us feel hopeless and at loss of control; we just want to stop this any way we can. However, we cannot demand a hysterectomy by the courts. As women, we have fought for equality for a very long time, and we have finally made gigantic progress when it comes to gaining control over our own bodies. There is no law against alcohol use, tobacco use, or drug use for pregnant women, and no matter how wrong and destructive it is to engage in these behaviors while pregnant, they cannot be made illegal. Control over our bodies is the most basic right we all must have, and if it is taken away in some cases, it will be used in other cases as well, and soon enough, we will be back where we started with our bodies being controlled by others. Although some women do not deserve to have children (which is obviously true in this case we all agree on that, and we would all like her to have a hysterectomy), we have to instead focus on learning more about this disease and getting information out to doctors, nurses, and the public so we can notice the early symptoms and prevent the detrimental outcomes. 

 

These children don't ask to be born. Who is going to come in and protect them when they are being abused on purpose?? Why won't the courts take a firmer stand and educate themselves on MSBP??

These women are in total denial. I don't feel sorry for them if and when they do get caught. Womens rights?? What about childrens rights??

 
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October 11, 2007, 1:48 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

here's some web site i have found that you could read to learn more

 http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:218181

http://www.medical-library.org/journals/mddx/munchausen/1_munchausen_syndrome.htm

 hope you find this information helpfull.

 *Jenn*

 
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