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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:28:17 am
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Dr. Phil takes a look at the unthinkable: making your own child sick to fulfill a disturbing need to get medicine, sympathy and attention. The idea might sound unimaginable, but for people with a psychological disorder called Munchausen by Proxy, it’s irresistible. First, see disturbing footage of parents caught on tape actually causing harm to their children. Then, Dr. Phil looks into the mind of one woman, Tracy, convicted of trying to harm her youngest daughter by constantly keeping her sick. Hear from Tracy's oldest daughter, Heather, who survived years of her mother’s abuse. She says her mom forced her into a wheelchair unnecessarily, took her to almost 400 medical visits, and caused her to spend over 100 days of her life in hospital beds -- needlessly. Most disturbing of all is the secret Heather revealed to police about what her mother buried in their back yard. When Dr. Phil makes a phone call to Tracy in prison, will she acknowledge the problem with her parenting? And could she be preparing to have another child? Hear Dr. Phil’s strong words for this Munchausen mom. Plus, how are Tracy’s children doing now that she is out of their lives? Note: Viewer discretion is advised. Join the discussion.

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October 11, 2007, 2:28 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

Quote From: corinna75

I am a divorced mother with two wonderful children.  I have shared custody with the father of the kids.  He's a good father, as long as his mother does not get involved.  She is the problem.  My daughter hangs on her every word.  As a grandmother people think she is so caring and involved in thier lives.  The problem with this is that she is too involved.  I thought I was being paranoid, and that having a grandmother involved was a good thing, but now things have gotten out of hand.  In the begining my daughter was complaining of headaches.  I took her to the dr.s where they could find nothing wrong with her.  After awhile I was noticing that she was only succumbing to these headaches after she had spent the night with the grandmother.  Of course the grandmother made sure she was at EVERY doctor's visit and then when nothing was found wrong had me set up appts with dr.s in a larger city.  This went on for a year.  I started realizing that the grandmother was "overbabying" her.  This started to make me feel uncomfortable.  The dr.s in the big city found nothing wrong with her, but decided to put her on a powerful medication (the same medication that her father is on for his migranes).  Being a mother, I did what the dr.s told me to do.  The headaches seemed to go away for awhile, then about 6 months later came back.  The grandmother demanded more tests and I bowed to her wishes once again.  I knew as a mom something wasnt right.  She wasnt having these headaches with me, just when she stayed at her fathers house and was around her grandmother.  There was still nothing found that could say why she was having these headaches, and they wanted to increase this medication.  Its a type of bp med that I just was not comfortable with giving to my 8 yr old daughter.  I read up on the medication and over time weened her off of it.  She was no longer having the headaches and didnt have them for the 2 months that she was off her meds.  Finally I came clean to my ex and his mom about taking her off the meds and that she had had no headaches for these 2 weeks.  The father agreed with me that the less meds the better.  My ex mother in law threw a fit!  Next thing I knew she was taking my daughter to the dr.s (with my ex husband) and every time my daughter comes down with the siffles, wants my daughter put on an antibiotic.  I have let her have her way for about 2 years now, Im afraid that if I step in that the father will go for full custody.  His mother has him wrapped around her finger. 

   I put my foot down (softly) and was going to every dr,s visit with her and making sure of what she is telling the dr.  Now, my daughter is 11 yrs old and complaining of stomache aches.  She only has these when she has been around my ex mother in law.  I found out that she had taken my daughter to the drs and had her put on nexium without my consent ( but with the consent of the father).  She has no other problems other than her belly hurts.  My ex mother in law has gotten it into her head that my daughter has an ulcer and has proceded to tell my daughter this!  She is turning my daughter into a hypercondreacte (spelling).  Can a person who makes a child just believe she is sick have MSbP or is it just the phyical abuse that this diagnoses goes along with??  My daughter has a different ailment every time she spends time with her grandmother...

Please anyone with info on this please email me, its really getting me worried that even if she isnt physically making my daughter sick, she is messing with her mind.  Also, that someday my ex mother in law may take it one step further and give her something to make her sick!

Gee, I wish I could reply without quoting you all over again!  Your ex-mother in law is sick.  You have got to stop worrying about hurting that crazy woman's feelings and stand up for your kid.  Talk to your ex and agree that your daughter will not be put on ANY medication without the consent of BOTH of you.  Then call the doctor your ex mother in law is taking her too and explain what is going on.  Then get copies of your daughter's medical records from that doctor.  You have to stop this now.
 
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October 11, 2007, 2:31 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

I think this mother is absolutly crazy.  I cannot believe that a mother could harm their own child like that.  It really upsets me to think that there are actually people out there that need attention so much that they will harm their own children.  I also cannot believe that the mom is pregnant again.  I hope for her poor children's sake that they move far far away from anywhere associated with their past and completly start over. 
 

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October 11, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

Munchhausen

Hi,

I watched the show with interest and an eerie sense that I may be a survivor (I'm 55 years old and have 4 sisters).

This would be the case if it is also considered Munchhausen when a mother terrorizes and abuses her children by obsessively attending health professionals and using alleged illnesses to excuse herself from her responsibilities.

I shall venture to learn more about the syndrome.

Thanks,

Helga

 
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October 11, 2007, 2:37 pm PDT

Another Type of Munchausen?

     I know of a mom who gave birth to triplets who legitimately have had health problems all their lives because they were premies.  She went on to adopt  a child with so many disorders I can't even name them all.  He needs constant care and she runs him to different doctors almost every day of the week.  He also spends a good part of each year in the hospital for one thing or another. She stays overnight with her child when he is there so she is constantly in hospitals. She goes on then to adopt another special needs child and always has a special needs foster child in her care.  When ever you are around her all she talks about is her children and how sick they are.  She uses medical terminology constantly and actually has to administer their feedings through tubes and they have a complicated medicine schedule they have to follow on a daily basis.  She loves talking to EVERYONE ( waitresses, store clerks, people walking down the street,etc.) about her children and their health problems.  So many people give her so much praise for not only taking care of her kids that have special needs but also taking on the responsibilty of adopting two more and fostering another.  None of her children are educated (they were supposedly home schooled)  so they will have to depend on her the rest of their lives.  Every time we spend any amount of time with her my husband and I always say she suffers from  Munchausen disease......but her children are already sick.  Maybe she purposely adopts children with special needs and will for the rest of her life.  I just think it is soooo strange.  Has anyone ever experienced someone like this?    Lil
 
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October 11, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

I hope she doesn't have any more kids!

I can't believe this woman. It is so sad what her children went through. Too bad they couldn't prosecute her for the infant's death.
 
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October 11, 2007, 2:40 pm PDT

Munchausen and Cancer

Quote From: gemmom

I was very interested in this show because I have suspected my niece of this syndrome for many years.  We have adopted her first child and when this child was in her care, the child seemed to have several medical problems - all of which do not exist and haven't since she came to live with us 6 years ago.  Her next child seems to have several medical problems - the main one being autism.  Now - she had to take him to many doctors before she could get one to diagnose him as autistic.  His grandmother (who lives in the house with my niece and her son) did not believe there was anything wrong with this child.  Fast forward to child number three.  He was diagnosed with cancer and has undergone chemo.  I really thought she had Munchausen until the third child's diagnosis.  I cannot figure out how she could possibly fool a doctor into thinking her child has cancer.  I have tried to find information about Munchausen on the internet - case studies - but have never found one where cancer is involved - anybody have any experience?
Your note struck me and I decided to respond.  My daughter has been diagnosed with Munchausen's.  Not by proxy - meaning she hurts herself, causes illness, spends many days in the hospital, has had several surgeries, the list goes on.  I have Stage IV breast cancer.  She now is claiming that she has cervical cancer.  I do not believe she has it, but has convinced the doctor that due to family history she should be treated.  She wants to take chemotherapy.  The thought of it sickens me.  I have four other perfectly normal children.  I wonder - how did this happen to her.  What causes this dreadful disease?
 
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October 11, 2007, 2:44 pm PDT

Munchausen by proxy

I am confused. I live in Lakeland, Florida and I kept reading about this woman and her problem.

I just got through watching this on Dr. Phil and was worried about the fact that this woman wants to have more children. WHY CAN'T THEY FIX THIS WOMAN SO THAT SHE CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE CHILDREN?

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BE THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

SHE IS NEVER GOING TO GET BETTER BECAUSE SHE WILL NOT ADMIT THAT SHE HAS A PROBLEM.

 
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October 11, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

know someone who has strong symptoms

 

I have a friend who displays similar symptoms. She is a single mom of one young little girl. She is now in Grade 3 and peculiar illnesses have been arising in the child since birth. There is always something new medically wrong with her  (according to her mother). While I'm not a nurse (the mother is) I have never witnessed anything wrong with this young girl. She constantly runs to Toronto's Sick Children's Hospital and the doctors have put her on anti-seizure medication, etc. Only the mom has seen her have seizures. As a nurse, the mother has the medical terminology down and I believe she can use this to influence the many doctors but, because there's so many specialists, none of them are connecting the dots. What can I do to get someone to investigate without being identified?

 

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October 11, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

Quote From: helgamail

Hi,

I watched the show with interest and an eerie sense that I may be a survivor (I'm 55 years old and have 4 sisters).

This would be the case if it is also considered Munchhausen when a mother terrorizes and abuses her children by obsessively attending health professionals and using alleged illnesses to excuse herself from her responsibilities.

I shall venture to learn more about the syndrome.

Thanks,

Helga

to clarify: if the mother obsessively attends health professionals HERSELF and uses HER alleged illnesses.
 
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October 11, 2007, 2:51 pm PDT

falsely accused of munchausens

This last summer I was falesly accused of exagerating my daughter's symptoms.  They put her in the hospital and a video camera in her room.   She has had mild issues which span across several body systems and has a feeding tube and had stomach  and eye surgery (all of doctors recommendation).  Her symptoms have always been incosistent and after seeing several specialists with no diagosis they decided to investigate me.  After seeing this show I do understand why becuase there are some sick poeple in the world.  But after several weeks in the hospital under investigation, they determined it had nothing to do with me or her home environment but still had no idea why she was so sick before or why right now she is doing do much better.  It's a shame there are people like this mother who make things so much harder for parents like me.  There are things which medicine will not find an answer to but having to go through all the questioig and suspicion was a terrible terrible experience.  I love my child so much ad wat so much for her to have the fullest, most normal life possible.  What is worse is that in the end they did not even apologize for putting our family through all that when they became covinced they were wrong about their suspicions.  I'm not sure I can ever trust any of those doctors ever again.
 
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