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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:28:17 am
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Dr. Phil takes a look at the unthinkable: making your own child sick to fulfill a disturbing need to get medicine, sympathy and attention. The idea might sound unimaginable, but for people with a psychological disorder called Munchausen by Proxy, it’s irresistible. First, see disturbing footage of parents caught on tape actually causing harm to their children. Then, Dr. Phil looks into the mind of one woman, Tracy, convicted of trying to harm her youngest daughter by constantly keeping her sick. Hear from Tracy's oldest daughter, Heather, who survived years of her mother’s abuse. She says her mom forced her into a wheelchair unnecessarily, took her to almost 400 medical visits, and caused her to spend over 100 days of her life in hospital beds -- needlessly. Most disturbing of all is the secret Heather revealed to police about what her mother buried in their back yard. When Dr. Phil makes a phone call to Tracy in prison, will she acknowledge the problem with her parenting? And could she be preparing to have another child? Hear Dr. Phil’s strong words for this Munchausen mom. Plus, how are Tracy’s children doing now that she is out of their lives? Note: Viewer discretion is advised. Join the discussion.

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October 11, 2007, 3:29 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

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Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a psychological disorder characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior.  This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. 

 

While less known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2% of adults (1-33), mostly females.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward OR Why is it Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss

 

Sickened:  The Memoir of a Munchausen by Proxy Childhood by Julie Gregory OR The Psychology of Female Violence:  Crimes Against the Body by Anna Motz MAYBE Whatever Mother Says by Wensley Clarkson

 

Understanding the Borderline (Parent) Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson 

 

Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back...by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger OR Surviving a Borderline Parent:  How to Heal Your Childhood Wounds & Build Trust, Boundaries and Self-Esteem by Kimberlee Roth and Freda Friedman

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm 

 

 

Some of the story is typical:  early family conflicts, abusive relationships, feelings of insecurity contributing to destructive behaviors such as cruelty, manipulations, rage attacks, revenge, promiscuity, addictions, self-abuse, and eating disorders.  The extreme behaviors of BPD constitute the high drama in the stories of those who endure its ravages.

 

There are relationships, marriages and families that are so destructive the only option is for a person to get out.  Get out with the little bit of sanity you may have remaining.  As painful as it may be, make a promise to yourself to leave.  Leave so you can begin a life of healing and recovery.  Leave so you can learn how to live a joyful, peaceful, supportive and fulfilling life.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

Not necessarily disagreeing... you're dead on about everything concerning BPD.  I know, because I suffer from it... and others have suffered for my, I dunno what to call it... deformity works for me.  It's a nightmare to be afflicted with this disorder, especially because most people have no idea what's wrong with them.  Your emotions become your rationale, your feelings twist reality so that you see what you feel you should (if that makes sense).  The aggression, the self-loathing, the addictions, the inability to connect with other humans... it's just horrific.  It IS treatable, but you really really have to want help, and admitting you need it in the first place is so indescribably difficult I can't even explain.  Just offering a perspective from the other side (forgive me if you also suffer from this, it just seemed like you survived someone with BPD), maybe letting people understand how it can twist someone so badly that they injure their children could shed some light on this. 

 

If anyone's wondering (or read this far!) I have sought help and I'm being treated with medication and couseling, and my life has done a Dr.Phil-worthy 180*.  Seeing this show was painful; I hate being able to understand such a messed up frame of mind.  Hey, if it helps anyone else, I guess that's okay with me.  Thanks for the insight, and the information sources!

 
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October 11, 2007, 3:30 pm PDT

Question about MBPS

I suspect that a family friend may have a form of Munchausen-by-proxy and instead of manifesting the behavior in physical ways (making the child physically ill), she asserts that her son suffers from pyschological disorders.  As a result, her 5-year-old son has been expelled from kindergarten because of his uncontrollable behavior.  She freely discusses his disorders and wrings her hands saying "what to do, what to do" in his presence.  She consistently takes time off work to "handle" him and frequently cries to her friends at work over her despair.  Is is possible that this is a form of MBRS?  If so, is there any help for her?

 
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October 11, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

those who talk for the children

  I was a child advocate for the Florida court system app. 10 yrs ago. Since i was a nurse, i was chosen to take a case where the court suspected munchausen syndrome by proxy. I was assigned to a little boy, autistic, adopted by a childless couple, who was suspected of being abused by his parents, with his mother having this dx. My job was to be the eyes and ears of the court, to follow the child in school, home, dr appts, and everywhere knowledge about his life could be gathered. I did my job, and made my recommendations to the court system. he was taken away from his parents and put in foster care, where I continued to follow him and his progress. I was torn as a mother to see a woman who logically could explain away every physical problem the small child had, had her heart torn when he was taken away, saw him do better in a foster care setting, and felt like a traitor when my reports to the court recommended he stay away from the mom. A Guardian ad litem is given limited training, and expected to give the court the most accurate information available. I often wonder did I make the best decision for the child? As a mother, I know how my heart would have broken if in the same situation. I also know that the paper i wrote up for my college psych class titled " Munchausen by proxy: children caught in a web of deception" was accurate and useful to new nurses who should be educated on this syndrome.
 
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October 11, 2007, 3:39 pm PDT

there is no excuse

The scenes that this show displayed at the beginning were the most disturbing images i have ever seen.

There is no excuse in this world for a woman to every hurt their children. I think such abuse should not be considered a syndrome but the most volatile act in the world and any woman caught doing this should be viewed like a serial killer and put to death.

 
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October 11, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

Hard to Find Someone to Take you Seriously

I have no doubt my ex-daughter-in-law practices Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy on my grandson.  She fits ALL the criteria...symptoms and characteristics of a Munchuasen mother.  The problem is finding someone willing to watch her.   I spent FIVE hours in Columbus Children's Medical Hospital trying to find someone who would actually take me seriously.   Some of the medical staff DID NOT even know what MSBP was...and others thought I must be crazy!  My grandson has been through hundreds of medical procedures...at age 9 he even has his own geneticist!  And still no one wants to take this woman on.  I live 2,000 miles away from my grandson and had hoped that an "informed medical profession" could at least keep an eye on her.  Since MSBP is so hard to prove...no one wants to hear about it.  So tell me...HOW DO I PROTECT MY GRANDSON???
 
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October 11, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

It is so sad to think of the these children will now have to dael w/ for the rest of thier life! Who cares about the mother and her rights!! She left her rights at the door when she did this to her children. She should never have the chance to bring another child into this wold!!!

This is a very sad story.

 
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October 11, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

Who is the FATHER?

Where is the father (or fathers) of these kids? He/they were never mentioned. Where was he when his kids were abnormally ill? Where was he when his child was in the hospital? I'd be very interested to know the answer to this question.
 
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October 11, 2007, 3:45 pm PDT

Job well done

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  I was a child advocate for the Florida court system app. 10 yrs ago. Since i was a nurse, i was chosen to take a case where the court suspected munchausen syndrome by proxy. I was assigned to a little boy, autistic, adopted by a childless couple, who was suspected of being abused by his parents, with his mother having this dx. My job was to be the eyes and ears of the court, to follow the child in school, home, dr appts, and everywhere knowledge about his life could be gathered. I did my job, and made my recommendations to the court system. he was taken away from his parents and put in foster care, where I continued to follow him and his progress. I was torn as a mother to see a woman who logically could explain away every physical problem the small child had, had her heart torn when he was taken away, saw him do better in a foster care setting, and felt like a traitor when my reports to the court recommended he stay away from the mom. A Guardian ad litem is given limited training, and expected to give the court the most accurate information available. I often wonder did I make the best decision for the child? As a mother, I know how my heart would have broken if in the same situation. I also know that the paper i wrote up for my college psych class titled " Munchausen by proxy: children caught in a web of deception" was accurate and useful to new nurses who should be educated on this syndrome.

YES...you absolutely did the right thing!!! I'm a paternal Grandmother of one such child and have been frustrated that NO ONE seems to be listening to me when I tell them the mother has MSBP.  My grandson has undergone hundreds of medical procedures, had endless testing, thousands of dollars wasted on medical treatment...and still...NO ONE NOTICES!!! I wish that YOU were on hand to have helped him.  He's nine years old and I see no end in sight for him.  Mom is an RN and loves the role she plays.  We live 2,000 miles away and feel so hopeless as to how to help him.  DO NOT GIVE IT ONE MORE THOUGHT!  You probaby saved that child's life.  God Bless YOu...we need more like you!!

 

 
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October 11, 2007, 3:47 pm PDT

Shocked and angry!!!

How could a mother harm her children like that and not think she did anything wrong? What does she think she is in prison for in the first place? I was shocked and angry when Dr. Phil questioned her about burring her newborn baby and she answered the questions very nonchalant, like it was a natural everyday occurrence. I think the children in this situation are better off where they are and hope that they grow up to be happy productive adults. The mother in my opinion should be locked up until she is no longer a threat to others or herself.

 

                                                                                          Concerned in KY

 
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October 11, 2007, 3:48 pm PDT

Heather

I hope this does not offend anyone, but I was wondering if anyone else noticed something different about Heather. I was shocked to learn that she was 19; she seemed very child-like and not like a typical 19-year-old girl. She is a lovely young lady and it was mentioned several times that she has a "disease." Could anyone share with me what exactly was her ailment? Or was this something created or caused by the mother?
 
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