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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:28:17 am
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Dr. Phil takes a look at the unthinkable: making your own child sick to fulfill a disturbing need to get medicine, sympathy and attention. The idea might sound unimaginable, but for people with a psychological disorder called Munchausen by Proxy, it’s irresistible. First, see disturbing footage of parents caught on tape actually causing harm to their children. Then, Dr. Phil looks into the mind of one woman, Tracy, convicted of trying to harm her youngest daughter by constantly keeping her sick. Hear from Tracy's oldest daughter, Heather, who survived years of her mother’s abuse. She says her mom forced her into a wheelchair unnecessarily, took her to almost 400 medical visits, and caused her to spend over 100 days of her life in hospital beds -- needlessly. Most disturbing of all is the secret Heather revealed to police about what her mother buried in their back yard. When Dr. Phil makes a phone call to Tracy in prison, will she acknowledge the problem with her parenting? And could she be preparing to have another child? Hear Dr. Phil’s strong words for this Munchausen mom. Plus, how are Tracy’s children doing now that she is out of their lives? Note: Viewer discretion is advised. Join the discussion.

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October 13, 2007, 11:32 am PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

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My sister in-law has something similar but not as extreme.  She with holds food from her kids and water...  Her four year old is at the point where he won't eat in front of her and The little 18 month old takes his food and hides it... but she doesn't take her kids to the doctors.  My Mother in-law and I worry that it's more of a neurotic thing like she thinks her kids will get fat??? I mean she feeds them just in tiny portions and very controlled... We notice that it's worse when her husband is gone.. He has to go on leave because he's in the military.  We worry about the kids and her when he's gone.

Are the kids healthy? Are they of normal body weight?

 

Tracy used to withhold food and water from Heather. She was with me in Ohio back in 1993 with Heather when family members found themselves sneaking food and water to Heather. Calls to authorities came from that side of the family after that visit. One of the toughest things is not being close enough to keep a journal or anything that can help convince the right people to make it stop.

 
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October 13, 2007, 12:13 pm PDT

Im not a Doctor but,

 I have researched this subject on Munchausen a lot. I have reason to strongly beleive that my step-mother has Adult Munchausen, when a person deliberately exaggerates and/or fabricates and/or induce physical and/or psychological-behavioral-mental health problems in themselves, in order for attention.  I am not the only one in my family that has come to this conclusion.
The reason that I m concerned now is that when Dr. Phil interveiwed the mother in this story, the child had ITP. My brother at the tender age of two contracted this desease. Yes I have reason for concern that this was caused by her. I know she always tried to medicate him for his allergies that my brother now at twenty says he never had. Forced him also to take in his food a drug thta she called "Calm a child".  Who knows what she was giving to him. I vividly remember him dropping to the floor screaming htat he could taste it in his cereal and apple sauce.
 My step-mother has also in the past several years brought my younger step-sister to the doctor and convinced them that her daughter is bi-polar, and constantly brings it up for attention. My husbands father has suffered from bi-polar all his life, and my husband states that my step sister exhibits NO signs of this.
I have obviously become alarmed.
For a long while my step-mother has shown signs and I am almost certain she has Aduld munchausen or also know as Facticious Disorder. Who knows. Maybe even Munchausen By Proxy.
 
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October 13, 2007, 1:24 pm PDT

Need Advise

I know someone that I really think is a Munchhausen mom, but I'm not sure what to do about it.  I don't know them very well at all.  I used to teach a couple of her children in church a few years back and she still lives in my neighborhood, but I don't really talk to her much or anything.  Her kids always seem to be sick and have something wrong with them.  Her son was in my class and didn't come much, but he supposedly has autism and he didn't seem like it to me at all.  She home schools her kids because she says they all have learning disabilities and the special education teacher at the school told her that there was nothing wrong with her kids and they didn't need to be in special ed.  I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  I would hate to wrongly accuse her and I feel bad for people that this happens to, but on the other hand, what if she is hurting her kids?  Please tell me what you think.

 

 
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October 13, 2007, 2:34 pm PDT

10/11 Munchausen Mom

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This topic upsets us all, makes us sick, and makes us feel hopeless and at loss of control; we just want to stop this any way we can. However, we cannot demand a hysterectomy by the courts. As women, we have fought for equality for a very long time, and we have finally made gigantic progress when it comes to gaining control over our own bodies. There is no law against alcohol use, tobacco use, or drug use for pregnant women, and no matter how wrong and destructive it is to engage in these behaviors while pregnant, they cannot be made illegal. Control over our bodies is the most basic right we all must have, and if it is taken away in some cases, it will be used in other cases as well, and soon enough, we will be back where we started with our bodies being controlled by others. Although some women do not deserve to have children (which is obviously true in this case we all agree on that, and we would all like her to have a hysterectomy), we have to instead focus on learning more about this disease and getting information out to doctors, nurses, and the public so we can notice the early symptoms and prevent the detrimental outcomes. 

In some states it is against the law for a pregnant mother to take drugs. If the baby is tested and it is found that the baby has drugs in its system because the mother did them while pregnant, she goes to jail and the baby goes to a family member or foster care.
 
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October 13, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

not a hero,

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I have never felt compelled to post about a show before but I just has to say this:

Jessie...if you are reading this I wanted to tell you.....God bless you....you are a true hero.  You saved those children!
I just did it, anyone in my shoes would have done the same thing, these kids are our lives,now we have 3 girls and on boy.no one will ever hurt any of them ever again.
 

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October 13, 2007, 3:04 pm PDT

Munchausen

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I know someone that I really think is a Munchhausen mom, but I'm not sure what to do about it.  I don't know them very well at all.  I used to teach a couple of her children in church a few years back and she still lives in my neighborhood, but I don't really talk to her much or anything.  Her kids always seem to be sick and have something wrong with them.  Her son was in my class and didn't come much, but he supposedly has autism and he didn't seem like it to me at all.  She home schools her kids because she says they all have learning disabilities and the special education teacher at the school told her that there was nothing wrong with her kids and they didn't need to be in special ed.  I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  I would hate to wrongly accuse her and I feel bad for people that this happens to, but on the other hand, what if she is hurting her kids?  Please tell me what you think.

 

If the only thing she thinks if that they are having a hard time learning, which I'm sure she is in contact with her doctor about this, and homeschooling  isn't something that is hurtful, you and the special education teacher just might not know about this childs needs. Sometimes small schools (if you guys are a small town) don't see enough of speical ed children to really know what they need, and schooling can only teach so much. I personally would never trust a teachers opinion over my doctors over even my own feelings on my child.
 
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October 13, 2007, 3:19 pm PDT

afraid for my grandaughter

My sons exgirlfriend got pregnant right before he tried to leave her. He left due to her mental issues. He has been trying to get custody of his now 11 month old daughter. The mother has had the first child taken and her mother has her but seems to support her in keeping this one. She has continually over medicated her since birth with tylenol and cold meds and has seen at least 14 different doctors. She has taken her to the ER many times and there is nothing wrong but she insist that she is dehydrated or has something wrong. The mother says she herself has a blood dissorder, & cancer, and that she has been pregnant several times and misscaried. I am very concerened for my grandaughter. The mother was diagnosed a few years ago with personality disorder, bipolar, schizophrenia and drepressive disorder. At this time the baby is still in the home with the mother. Please tell me if this sounds like someone that has munchausens? Department of Human Services are involved but at this time not sure what they are going to do. Please help if you can!
 
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October 13, 2007, 3:41 pm PDT

munchausen moms

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Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a psychological disorder characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior.  This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. 

 

While less known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2% of adults (1-33), mostly females.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward OR Why is it Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss

 

Sickened:  The Memoir of a Munchausen by Proxy Childhood by Julie Gregory OR The Psychology of Female Violence:  Crimes Against the Body by Anna Motz MAYBE Whatever Mother Says by Wensley Clarkson

 

Understanding the Borderline (Parent) Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson 

 

Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back...by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger OR Surviving a Borderline Parent:  How to Heal Your Childhood Wounds & Build Trust, Boundaries and Self-Esteem by Kimberlee Roth and Freda Friedman

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm 

 

 

Some of the story is typical:  early family conflicts, abusive relationships, feelings of insecurity contributing to destructive behaviors such as cruelty, manipulations, rage attacks, revenge, promiscuity, addictions, self-abuse, and eating disorders.  The extreme behaviors of BPD constitute the high drama in the stories of those who endure its ravages.

 

There are relationships, marriages and families that are so destructive the only option is for a person to get out.  Get out with the little bit of sanity you may have remaining.  As painful as it may be, make a promise to yourself to leave.  Leave so you can begin a life of healing and recovery.  Leave so you can learn how to live a joyful, peaceful, supportive and fulfilling life.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

It is obvious you like fixtion.You should know that it has been proven that The Memoir of a Munchausen by Proxy Childhood by Julie Gregory has been proven to be compleet fixtion.

Maybe you could have mentioned books or reports from experts like Eric Mart or Dr. Loren Pankratz .

 

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October 13, 2007, 4:21 pm PDT

Good luck!

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Heather was developmentally on cue when I used to babysit her as a child. I believe that the years of unnecessary torture and poison to her body caused her to be delayed developmentally and emotionally. She is the bravest young lady that I know. -Aunt Kerry Ann

Kerry Ann,

We were good friends in high school. Sorry to hear all the sadness. Good luck to all of your family.

April

 
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October 13, 2007, 4:46 pm PDT

State agencies

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In some states it is against the law for a pregnant mother to take drugs. If the baby is tested and it is found that the baby has drugs in its system because the mother did them while pregnant, she goes to jail and the baby goes to a family member or foster care.
In some states they don't do anything to help.  I was tested for using drugs 3 days after my daughter was born and we still haven't gotten her home in 8 months.  I have never failed a drug test and neither has my husband.  Some states help others don't.  My mom I truly believe is suffering from this terrible disorder.  My 8 month old has been on so much medicine its actually causing her to have thrush.  We have had it 4 times in 8 months. 
 
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