Topic : 11/23 Mild vs. Wild

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Created on : Friday, October 05, 2007, 11:29:23 am
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Celebrities like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and Nicole Richie are known for wearing skimpy clothes, but does that mean midriffs and micro-minis are right for your daughter? A new debate is brewing over whether women should go mild or wild. First up, Brenda Sharman, the national director of Pure Fashion, believes young ladies should dress modestly. She faces off with four women from the audience who say there’s nothing wrong with showing a little skin. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Terri says her 8-year-old daughter has never had a Bratz doll and never will, but Melissa has no problem with her 6-year-old twins playing with the provocative pre-teens of plastic. Are Bratz just harmless toys or a negative influence? Plus, Lilly says her 19-year-old daughter, Cassie, dresses like a slut and a hooker, and even walks the dog in high heels! What can Lilly do to get Cassie to cover up, or should she? And, meet an 11-year-old who says her parents are too old-fashioned when it comes to her clothes, and they just need to get with the times. Share your thoughts here.

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November 19, 2007, 1:35 pm PST

I Don't Think They Are Thinking About Respect

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I am 22 years-old.  I can't say that I was given a whole lot of attention.  Not that I had a bad childhood it's just my parents had two other childern and i understood that.  I didn't get mad and start dressing like a slut.  It's all about what your child thinks of themselves.  If she thinks she is sexy she is not going to be afraid to show it.  People are going to dress how they want to dress reguardless if they are 16 or 86.  That is something no brat doll is going to change.  She needs to learn to respect herself before she can except to ge it.  My advice is to talk to your daugters about RESPECT!  If she wants respect she is not going to get it dressing like she doesn't!

I don't think that these girls are worried about respect. They aren't worried about respect - they want power. There is an incredible power in being a young girl who looks sexy. They get a feeling from that they could never get that easily from anything else.

 

I've read that women have more power when they are young than at any other time. From seeing Chris Hanson confront stupid men trying to meet teenagers for sex, I have to agree with that. Certainly there are men who would do anything, spend anything, and sacrifice anything for the chance to have sex with a teenage (or younger) girl and/or boy. What is so shocking is that there are so many of them, and so many of them are already married fathers!

 
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November 19, 2007, 1:44 pm PST

I Just Don't Get It

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People need to get a reality check. You are so right wherever you go you see exposed bodys.  Walking down the street, mall, tv, can't get away from it.  Don't blame a fun toy kids like to play with like mine do! I have the 6 year old twins that play with the Bratz and clothing as well and don't ever plan on stopping and I am proud to say I am buying some for Christmas!

I don't get why the vast majority of women who get implants get them. I am a 32-C and I would LOVE, just love to have small breasts! I could understand if a woman just doesn't have ANYTHING on top, but I think if looks so feminine, delicate, and pretty to have small breasts. God knows that clothes look and fit better.

 

I really don't get why any parent would let their teenage daughter get breast implants.

 

 
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November 19, 2007, 1:44 pm PST

SIGN OF THE TIMES?

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Let me ask you this If you had a shape like Haley Barry would you cover up? Anywhere you look sex sells it is part of the times! If you looked like Eva Longoria would you cover up? I think you can dress classy & sexy if you have it flaunt it. The people that complain are usually not in shape, overweight, and older.  Some "Fantasy night" clothes are trendy & cute. I don't think it is appropriate for someone 300lbs or out of shape to wear a micro mini but someone like Paris I think she looks great! Some things aren't appropriate to wear  to church or a school function but pleeze lighten up and get with the times you dress how you feel comfortable and sexy whether it is leaving things to the imagination or not!

LET me see.... does this mean that whatever comes down the pike, we as a nation need to jump on the bandwagon?  Sign of the times is a vague, but pathetic excuse to follow the crowd. Don't you think we should stick to what works, and has worked in the past? Wear clothes that cover your body. it is a temple, and it is only meant for your partner of MARRIAGE to view.  Not the free world. If you have ANY  moral compass about you, I'm hoping it tells you to put on garments suitable for the public.  I do believe that most of the girls today wear what they wear for attention, and not good attention. I do believe they have every intention of shocking those around them. I've seen young girls, around 9-11yrs old, dressed like street whores.  I have a daughter, now 25yrs old, and she never, never dressed that why. Want to know why? I as her mother, and teacher of morals, would never buy anything inappropriate for her to wear. Therefore, she couldn't wear it.  I know, some of you reading this are thinking, she changed at school, like most of them do. Not so, I worked at school. In the PTA. Free, volunteer work.  So that I could be a parent and she could be the child. Some of you younger parents need to stop letting your children "have everything you never had as a child"" because you are producing spoiled, unruley, mean, rude, brats.!!!!  The world could do without more of those kinds of kids. Instead, why don't you look back into the past at what worked.  Talk back to your parents, you ate soap. Come home late, you gat a spanking and grounded. Cut school, the principle, got you, your parents got you, your grandparents got you, and then you were grounded with double chores. Back talk a neighbor, the neighbor whipped you , sent you home and then your parents whipped you. Now, the only thing people want to do, is sue you, run your life for you, take control away from you, give your children birth control, condoms, sex talks, and so on. Those are the things that should be done at home.  Not the birth control, the birds and the bees talk. The birth control shouldn't even become a topic until you are talking marriage. Now younger and younger people are having sex for intertainment.  I'm so saddened by the way the parents have turned their children over to whomever or whatever will keep them out of their hair.  You shouldn't have children.  they are a blessing from God, and to throw them to the wolves like that is a sin.  you'll pay bigtime for one day. If you aren't regretting it yet, you will be soon enough. One last thing. When I was referring to the past about the way it was when I was growing up, I'd never change a thing. I was raised by a single mother with 5 children. We all survived our spankings, and the chores. It made me a better person. I didn't have anything, and was a very happy kid. We truely ove induldge our kids today, and as a result, they have nothing to look forward to. Has anyone payed attention to the crime rate? and the ages are going down. Younger and younger criminals. Being raised by a parent or two who really don't want to be bothered with them. They just got pregnant and now they're stuck with them. If that describes you, please, for the sake of everyone around you, train your child right. Teach them right from wrong. At the rate we are going, there will be no one to run this country but gangsters and thugs, all the good kids will no longer exsist.

 
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November 19, 2007, 1:47 pm PST

I Know What I'd Say

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I believe blaming Bratz dolls for how parents let their children dress is asinine.  When I was a little one parents blamed Barbie for giving girls poor body images.  Despite all the evils of Barbie I turned into a respectful adult.  That's why I'm not too worried about my 7 year old playing with her Bratz dolls.  She, my daughter, does call the scantily clad dolls "hoochies" and in turn now she is running all over  telling other girls they need to put clothes on, or out and out calls them hoochies.  I just get looks, what would you say to a 7 year old telling you you're dressed like a hooch?  Why do I still buy my baby girl Bratz dolls?  They do spark creativity.  She can go online with one of them and gets to design clothes,hair and makeup.  Then you have the video game where she can make her own magazine. 

 

IF we want to point fingers as a community about "who is responsible"...well besides the parents...look at Limited Too, they cross the line on outfits targeted at children as young as 6.  We really have to be picky with Gwyn there.  Then you have Juicy.   Seriously...I don't even want to turn my bottom into a billboard and I'm an adult in shape!  Instead of the focus being on toys, Dr Phil needs to focus on the fashion industry because that's who beating the parents at the game.

I'd say that she is a very rude little girl, and that I feel sorry for her that her own mother doesn't love her enough to teach her manners. Teaching children how to act in public is the job of a parent.
 
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November 19, 2007, 5:00 pm PST

What does breasts have to do with Bratz???

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I don't get why the vast majority of women who get implants get them. I am a 32-C and I would LOVE, just love to have small breasts! I could understand if a woman just doesn't have ANYTHING on top, but I think if looks so feminine, delicate, and pretty to have small breasts. God knows that clothes look and fit better.

 

I really don't get why any parent would let their teenage daughter get breast implants.

 

What does breast size have to do with bratz? Bratz are flat they don't have breasts? Bratz have disproportionate body size that kids think are fantasy. So I don't get what you are saying?

 
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November 19, 2007, 6:24 pm PST

11/23 Mild vs. Wild

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I don't get why the vast majority of women who get implants get them. I am a 32-C and I would LOVE, just love to have small breasts! I could understand if a woman just doesn't have ANYTHING on top, but I think if looks so feminine, delicate, and pretty to have small breasts. God knows that clothes look and fit better.

 

I really don't get why any parent would let their teenage daughter get breast implants.

 

Most of my bigger chested friends would love to have REDUCTIONS, I asked if they could donate to the needy (namely me hehe). 

Seriously I do have an easier time finding clothes, whether its a t-shirt or lingere (one of my closest friends needs her bras custom made and has back problems), and another friend said "it would be nice for men to look me in the eyes for a change ", neither one of them shows clevage or dresses like Pamela Anderson.

There are ways of dressing sexy, without being Skanky, and if you talk to most men, I mean really listen with an open mind, no clothes should NOT invite any unwanted sexual advances Let me make that CLEAR, however they DO JUDGE women on how they are dressed, the skanky women many will say "good for a roll in the hay and bragging rights, but not relationship material " Why, because men generally don't like other men thinking the same way about their spouse or partner, they aren't crazy about the other extreme either you know the "Mom" jeans and turtlenecks.  They do like SOMETHING left to the imagination.  Many of the men I know anyway, will say that Marilyn Munroe was sexy ( and she was considrered RISQUE) in her day, a Nun by our standards, and that Miss Spears, Lindsay etc are Skanky.

What's wrong with dressing like Cathrine Zeta-Jones ? No one can deny she's sexy or beautiful, and that's with keeping her clothes on.

I'm not trying to generalize, it was a fun conversation I had with a group of men get this 18- 35 fathers and sons, I guess maybe in our quest to be what men want, we went too far.

 
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November 20, 2007, 8:51 am PST

Superfiscial People??

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LET me see.... does this mean that whatever comes down the pike, we as a nation need to jump on the bandwagon?  Sign of the times is a vague, but pathetic excuse to follow the crowd. Don't you think we should stick to what works, and has worked in the past? Wear clothes that cover your body. it is a temple, and it is only meant for your partner of MARRIAGE to view.  Not the free world. If you have ANY  moral compass about you, I'm hoping it tells you to put on garments suitable for the public.  I do believe that most of the girls today wear what they wear for attention, and not good attention. I do believe they have every intention of shocking those around them. I've seen young girls, around 9-11yrs old, dressed like street whores.  I have a daughter, now 25yrs old, and she never, never dressed that why. Want to know why? I as her mother, and teacher of morals, would never buy anything inappropriate for her to wear. Therefore, she couldn't wear it.  I know, some of you reading this are thinking, she changed at school, like most of them do. Not so, I worked at school. In the PTA. Free, volunteer work.  So that I could be a parent and she could be the child. Some of you younger parents need to stop letting your children "have everything you never had as a child"" because you are producing spoiled, unruley, mean, rude, brats.!!!!  The world could do without more of those kinds of kids. Instead, why don't you look back into the past at what worked.  Talk back to your parents, you ate soap. Come home late, you gat a spanking and grounded. Cut school, the principle, got you, your parents got you, your grandparents got you, and then you were grounded with double chores. Back talk a neighbor, the neighbor whipped you , sent you home and then your parents whipped you. Now, the only thing people want to do, is sue you, run your life for you, take control away from you, give your children birth control, condoms, sex talks, and so on. Those are the things that should be done at home.  Not the birth control, the birds and the bees talk. The birth control shouldn't even become a topic until you are talking marriage. Now younger and younger people are having sex for intertainment.  I'm so saddened by the way the parents have turned their children over to whomever or whatever will keep them out of their hair.  You shouldn't have children.  they are a blessing from God, and to throw them to the wolves like that is a sin.  you'll pay bigtime for one day. If you aren't regretting it yet, you will be soon enough. One last thing. When I was referring to the past about the way it was when I was growing up, I'd never change a thing. I was raised by a single mother with 5 children. We all survived our spankings, and the chores. It made me a better person. I didn't have anything, and was a very happy kid. We truely ove induldge our kids today, and as a result, they have nothing to look forward to. Has anyone payed attention to the crime rate? and the ages are going down. Younger and younger criminals. Being raised by a parent or two who really don't want to be bothered with them. They just got pregnant and now they're stuck with them. If that describes you, please, for the sake of everyone around you, train your child right. Teach them right from wrong. At the rate we are going, there will be no one to run this country but gangsters and thugs, all the good kids will no longer exsist.

Whoa lady calm down!!! You seem to be going off on some tangent that I have no idea where you are coming from. Just because people dress trendy, sexy, reveling, play with bratz dolls, barbies, etc. doesn't mean they are going to have sex & get pregnant or they don't respect themselves or have morals. I would say you are extremely Superfiscial judging a book by its cover! I know alot of people that dress sexy that are very intelligent smart women.  There are alot of women who treat their bodies as temples that don't have the intelligence and respect that the sexy women do. Again as I would say it's people that don't have the looks or shape to dress in those kind of clothes that like to knock them!
 
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November 20, 2007, 11:15 am PST

My thoughts

personally i don't think it's the Bratz dolls making girls dress that way. Parents need to educate thier kids on how to dress appropately. My 11 daughter has Bratz dolls but she dresses as an 11 year old should. My daughter knows what's age wise appropate and what is not.
 

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November 21, 2007, 12:02 pm PST

Common Senseless Society

Okay, I don't think anyone has EVER said that Barbie or Bratz are the lone problem. They are the cause of all of societies immodesty. Come on that would be redilculous. However, they CAN contribute and make things worse. By letting your children play with them it can send them the message that its okay. Also, why has our society lost all common sense. Women want to be looked at with respect and they think its disgusting for men to immediately want sex. The way you dress affects the way men think of you. If you walk around half naked all the time, all men are going to think about is how hot you may or may not be. I am not a woman, but I know if I were in a womans shoes I wouldn't want men looking at me just for my half naked body, but because I am a good respectable human being that there is something more to me then my looks. I am sorry to say it, but immodest clothes and behavior contributes to the immodest behavior of men. It in no way justifies it or makes it okay, or gives them any excuse to do it, but it does contribute. Your body is something that should be respected. If you don't respect it how do you expect men to respect it.

 
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November 21, 2007, 1:39 pm PST

Put some clothes on!!

Parents who allow their daughters to wear skimpy clothes sure make it easy for pedophiles and perverts to get a thrill!!! Come on, would you want some pervert fantasizing about your daughter because she was strutting around in front of him half naked? Men are turned on sexually by sight, this is not an opinion, that's scientific fact. A girl/woman can dress modestly and still look attractive.  
 

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