Topic : 07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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(Original Air Date: 10/15/08) The speculation surrounding O.J. Simpson has never stopped since his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman were tragically murdered 13 years ago. Millions watched O.J.'s infamous white Bronco chase on TV. The murder trial, which lasted 10 months, is often called the trial of the century and was the most watched in history. Simpson stirred the controversy again by attempting to publish a book called, If I Did It. While he says it's a work of fiction, the family of Ron Goldman believes If I Did It is his confession, and that he got caught up in the interview process for the book and forgot that he was supposed to be speculating rather than reporting. Now, the Goldmans are the focus of a huge controversy as they take over publishing the tome. Are they justified in taking the profits away from the man they believe to have killed their loved one? And, meet the ghostwriter of If I Did It, Pablo Fenjves, a man who sat across the table from O.J. for over three months as the former football star told him how it would have happened -- if he had been the killer. Join Fenjves as he goes back to the crime scene and reveals compelling details from his conversations with Simpson. Plus, Dr. Phil offers his take on O.J. and this now best-selling book. Was it a confession, or is it truly just a hypothetical account? Tell us what you think!

Find out what happened on the show.


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July 3, 2008, 3:24 pm PDT

The assumptiom of attack..................

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why do you think you will be attacked for your opinion? do you think you said something wrong?why censor yourself? I heard  frustration at the other poster for their comments.

   The reason why I put that particular statement in there was because on another subject/message board I mentioned that I was NOT a racist and did not see people in terms of color but instead for who they are. I was viscously attacked for my opinions/statement. I was told that I was indeed racist just because I said that in the first place! I was called naive, a liar, small minded, you name it, I was accused of it.

   I stand by my beliefs and nobody will change the way that I think. I am capable of free thought and have been blessed with an open mind. Not to mention parents who raised me right. I give them a lot of the credit for how I view people, on how I treat people. There is a story that I could tell about my father being raised in the deep south during the time of extreme prejudice, but it would take too long. Let's leave it at the fact that even my grandparents were not racist or bigots and treated "black people" different then how they were expected to. This runs deep with me, as I've said, I judge by character and substance only.

 

P.S. I recently heard a very intelligent statement. "Prejudice shows little reason"!

 
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July 3, 2008, 3:51 pm PDT

To lisa..............................

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  • YOU GET REAL, I DO KNOW HOW IT FEELS, MY DAD WENT ON A RAMPAGE AND KILLED 3 PEOPLE AND CRITICALLY INJURING MY BROTHER-INLAW, SO GO RUN YOUR  HEAD ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW ABOUT.

   I responded to this earlier and I have no clue as to why it was never posted so I will try it again. This version will be shorter and to the point. I do in fact know how it feels to be the victim of a violent crime. I have been through an attempted kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon with injury. This person also had duct tape on him because his plan was to bind my hands, then rape and kill me. I would have been stabbed to death. To this day I can still remember this event like it was yesterday. I can still remember exactly what that knife looked like!

   This assault has robbed me of all feelings of security. I have never been able to sleep without the lights on when my husband is away from home while working, which is often. This happened a little over 20 years ago and still affects me to this day. I have had to live with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, depression, OCD, and panic attacks. I lost my job at the time because of this. I lived alone and because of the nightmares, I was unable to sleep. I had to stay awake every night until the sun began to rise and I would finally fall asleep for one hour until I had to get up and get ready for work. Obviously my performance at work suffered because of this and that is why I was let go. I moved back home and lived with my mother for awhile.

   Unlike you I apparently don't carry the same anger issues that you appear to have! I admit that I need counseling to help me deal with this but you quite obviously need it more than I do considering the fact that you are screaming at everyone.

   "So go run my head about something I know about"? I would say that I know ALL about it! In the future, until you know what someone else's background is, I suggest that you refrain from such un-informed and unintelligent accusations!

 
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July 3, 2008, 4:10 pm PDT

Hello Moshetova!

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I get you totally.  I am:

 

Jewish, Russian, German, Polish, with the possibility of Italian (we're still tracing the family tree as my Mom's Mom was adopted and sadly passed when my Mom was only 6).  My daughter is the same background with Irish and Scottish (my ex-husband's background).

 

I AM A GOOD PERSON

I AM AN HONEST PERSON

WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS (some however are catagorized at MONSTERS, like O.J.)

 

I could be green, purple, black, orange, yellow, blue with white stripes for all I care, it's inside of each and everyone of us that makes us who we are, we are WHO we are NOT WHAT we are.  A butt is a butt, regardless of their colour, ethnicity, religion, etc...  If you are a nasty individual on the inside, well, you are simply nasty on the outside.  The unfortunate part, yes...I agree with you the RACE CARD will never go away.  I have sat in rooms when derrogatory comments have been made about Jews and I'm sitting right there.  Afterall we JEWS aren't running around with a tattoo on our forehead stating 'I'm a JEW', so how is one to know I'm Jewish, especially when daily I get told I look italian, greek, french.  I think I look like me.  This is absolutely nothing to do with RACE, this whole O.J. issue is about a monster who walked away GUILTY as hell, simply because a court of law and jury said he was innocent in the criminal trial.  Which is an injustice within itself.  Mistakes are made daily and quite frankly there's a few too many ignorant people full of HATE and ANGER on these boards, I will continue to post in defence of myself and others such as you Jewel (and another great lady named Julie who posts quite often), hope it's ok to use that pseudonym.  Discriminatory and Racist and Anti-Jewish HATE will never leave, if it weren't black against white (the ignorant idiots who feel this way) in our society, it would be GREEN EYES hating BROWN, and long haired people hating short haired people, wide footed people hating narrow footed people and so on and so forth.

 

Those hate mongers must live with themselves and if it's convenient and EASY for them to utilize the scapegoat of colour/race, etc...well they are the ones who have to do just that and LIVE WITH THEMSELVES. 

 

Evil knows no colour, no religion, no ethnic.  What's really upsetting is all 'those' who play on the race card when it suits them and make us all look bad and we're immediately judged because of our background.  I have listened to people say, 'Jews have all the money.'  Well...I come from a family of Jews who never had a lot of money, my father works full time to this very day at the age of 82, 83 in July because he has too, he cannot afford to retire and they will give you the shirt off of their backs, always have and always will so when I am judged because of stereotypes, I just figure, well...I certainly don't need this individual in my world and I get rid of it, I walk away or say you walk away.  So in closing, O.J. did the crime, I only hope and pray he suffers the WORST nightmares every moment he's asleep and every waking breath he takes.

   I hope that I spelled your name correctly, I wrote it down and then couldn't read my own writing. It would probably help if I put my eyeglasses on! I assume that you were referring to "julibgg"? She is a friend of mine and I believe that I saw where she responded to another subject on where she could find you. I hope that I have this correct. Juliebgg, lady tinou, and I all pretty much think exactly alike! We are just waiting until we can find a subject that we will disagree on. It appears that you & I are on the same wavelength also, I always enjoy that.

   To be perfectly honest, I find the people who belong to factions such as "White Supremacist" to be incredibly ignorant. Just like the rest of us, they are a mixture of no telling how many different types of blood that runs through them. But they think that they are superior due to there white skin! I myself don't truly even know what my actual background is. I am a mutt! I have English, Irish, German, Cherokee, and who knows what else blood coursing through my veins. And talking about persecution! The Jewish people have been slaughtered by the millions over the years, going all the way back to the days of Jesus and before. Oh yes, we all know that Jews have so much money and own all of the banks! The banks are owned by corporations anymore, although I do think that a well brought up Jewish man makes for a fine husband. I'm talking about those who remain strong in their faith. I may be wrong but oh well............ You can judge how a man will treat his wife by how he treats his mother. I mean no disrespect and you may correct me if you think this was out of line. Please feel free.

   I would love to respond to all of your comments but I am beginning to be in a lot of pain at this point so I will have to get back to you later. Once you talk with me for awhile you will see that this happens often. I am disabled due to Severe Chronic Pain from failed spine surgeries and a few other health issues. I hope to catch you soon, take care and have a nice day!

Jewels

 
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July 3, 2008, 4:20 pm PDT

07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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It is shameful to me that 13 years later White America is still hung up with hatred over an incident that was closed with the criminal trial verdict and subsequently the civil trial.  The book, regardless of all the opinions expressed, has no merit.  Especially when you consider all the players.  It is not likely that any of the guest invited to you show would offer any objectivity and be unbiased.  Not even Dr. Phil could offer anything remotely close to being neutral.  The opinion of those hateful Goldman's and even Dr. Phil's do not matter.  Why is it that White folks stand up and scream when injustice affects White Americans and faint innocense when it is Ethnic Americans that receive injustice.  Even if OJ killed those two, which I believe he was aquittted of doing in criminal court, why does his freedom so anger people when there are countless cases where people had all the evidence in the world stacked up against them (Birmingham, church bombings, civil rights murders, Emmit Till, Mississipi Burning, etc.) and they still could not get White jurors to convict.  That is the historical legacy of this America and the shame that should be angrily denounced.

You should know your history before you statements like you did!!!!  First off  Miss. Burning was a movie about the murders of the civil right workers in 1964. and yes there was a conviction for those murders Edgar Killen was convicted in 2005. Birmingham chuch bombing at the Sitxteenth Street Batptist church there was a convition for that too, Bobby Cherry was sentence to life  in 2002. and No there was no conviction for Emmitt Till but his killers remind me alot of OJ white people rally around them too and they where acquitted,  and they sold their story for 4000 dollars and after the story came out they where ostacized and ran out of town and they lived in fear that one day they would have to pay for their crime.

 

So you would be wrong in your statement that white jurys would not convit.

 

I feel sorry for you that you think that letting OJ go jusifys any of the wrongs done in the civil rights movement. They where much better men and woman fighting for the rights that OJ enjoys today and though it back at them.

 
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July 3, 2008, 5:37 pm PDT

07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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No you need to wake up!! I didn't post to you about the Peterson case!!My post to you was about the committ you made about .Has america forgotten all the nameless black men and women who where killed by white people and got away with it. Tables have turned and america cant deal with it.

and my committ back to was the only people to win if we keep turning tables are the killers and the innocent black people killed by white people and got away with it,  how does letting a guilty man man go free make up for that? Comments like that are ignorant at least, and a insult to all that suffer at the hands of another and  their killers get away with it. no matter what color they may be.

 

I find it astounding that a victim of murder. is cared less for and used as a (how do you like that or in your face kind of thing)

 

I don't work for a news station, and I don't have control over what they but on at 5, but why don't you ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson why are they out their when help a little black girl goes missing? Why are they always around for black men like OJ and M. Jackson???

 

I can tell you this I have NEVER supported any man no matter their color that has harmed  woman and children!

Yes you did comment on the Peterson case, maybe you need to read your prior post to refresh your memory. For your information Al Sharpton has tried to bring media attention on crimes that are committed against minorites, but guess what???? No one wants to hear it!! Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as well as the late J. Cochran have fought for the "NO J's" not just high profile celebrities. We aren't living in a raceless society, so my friend my eyes are open, yours are shut.
 
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July 3, 2008, 8:20 pm PDT

On top of which..........................

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You should know your history before you statements like you did!!!!  First off  Miss. Burning was a movie about the murders of the civil right workers in 1964. and yes there was a conviction for those murders Edgar Killen was convicted in 2005. Birmingham chuch bombing at the Sitxteenth Street Batptist church there was a convition for that too, Bobby Cherry was sentence to life  in 2002. and No there was no conviction for Emmitt Till but his killers remind me alot of OJ white people rally around them too and they where acquitted,  and they sold their story for 4000 dollars and after the story came out they where ostacized and ran out of town and they lived in fear that one day they would have to pay for their crime.

 

So you would be wrong in your statement that white jurys would not convit.

 

I feel sorry for you that you think that letting OJ go jusifys any of the wrongs done in the civil rights movement. They where much better men and woman fighting for the rights that OJ enjoys today and though it back at them.

If you really think about it, what percentage of Black America does OJ represent? He is more of a white man in a black man's skin. Come on, how many black people live in Brentwood? My ex boyfriend grew up in Brentwood and his parents lived there until they passed away. His father was the Pediatrician to the movie stars children. It's just so funny how black people consider him one of their own. I guarantee you he doesn't consider himself equal to your average black man! OJ wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a black man if the man was on fire! Why can't they find someone else to rally behind, someone with true character and who really considers himself one of his own people? As I've said a million times, I judge everyone equally, but if this is going to be such a big deal to the African American people, and they want to hold on to these beliefs so tightly, I just think that they should have someone of a much higher moral character to represent them. If I was black I wouldn't be willing to claim OJ if he was the last black man on earth!
 
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July 3, 2008, 8:33 pm PDT

I will buy it now!

I was not going to buy this book since I wanted no part in giving money to "the murderer".  Now that I know the Goldman's will benefit I will definitely be getting it this weekend.  May God Bless the Goldman's, and the Brown family, in their continuing fight for justice.
 
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July 3, 2008, 8:57 pm PDT

The rules of grieving.......................

   This is something that I have to get off of my chest. To those of you who are not aware of this, there are NO RULES for grieving. This is not my opinion, this is a fact. No one can dare presume to tell another when it's time for them to stop and get over it. Nor can they tell them how to grieve, how long to grieve, how long to hold on to their anger, when it is time to forgive, how long they can cry, how long they can think of their loved one with sorrow, nothing, There are no rules for grieving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

   My husband lost his son at the age of 20 in a horrible car accident. He also saw his son at the scene. I would or could never dare to presume to tell my husband how he is supposed to grieve his tragic loss. This is as individual of a process as individual as each person is. Is this really that hard to understand? I get it, am I just more enlightened than many of you out there? As I said, this is not my opinion but indeed a FACT! There is not a rule book that you run down to the nearest Barne's & Noble and buy when you lose a loved one.  A person has to take this journey on their own, in their own way, and on their own time. Just because some of you out there have managed (quite luckily) to be able to deal with this easier than others does not mean that you can tell another how it is supposed to be done. Grieving is each individuals own right!

 
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July 3, 2008, 9:06 pm PDT

Do you think............................

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It is shameful to me that 13 years later White America is still hung up with hatred over an incident that was closed with the criminal trial verdict and subsequently the civil trial.  The book, regardless of all the opinions expressed, has no merit.  Especially when you consider all the players.  It is not likely that any of the guest invited to you show would offer any objectivity and be unbiased.  Not even Dr. Phil could offer anything remotely close to being neutral.  The opinion of those hateful Goldman's and even Dr. Phil's do not matter.  Why is it that White folks stand up and scream when injustice affects White Americans and faint innocense when it is Ethnic Americans that receive injustice.  Even if OJ killed those two, which I believe he was aquittted of doing in criminal court, why does his freedom so anger people when there are countless cases where people had all the evidence in the world stacked up against them (Birmingham, church bombings, civil rights murders, Emmit Till, Mississipi Burning, etc.) and they still could not get White jurors to convict.  That is the historical legacy of this America and the shame that should be angrily denounced.

I'm just wondering about something, this has been on my mind all day. Do you believe that black people have been treated worse than Jewish people throughout history? Before you give an answer, think about how many thousands of years that Jews have been slaves, had there land taken away, and how many millions have been slaughtered. Just because they are Jews! I'm very curious of your opinion on this. I know what mine is!
 
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July 3, 2008, 9:11 pm PDT

07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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   I responded to this earlier and I have no clue as to why it was never posted so I will try it again. This version will be shorter and to the point. I do in fact know how it feels to be the victim of a violent crime. I have been through an attempted kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon with injury. This person also had duct tape on him because his plan was to bind my hands, then rape and kill me. I would have been stabbed to death. To this day I can still remember this event like it was yesterday. I can still remember exactly what that knife looked like!

   This assault has robbed me of all feelings of security. I have never been able to sleep without the lights on when my husband is away from home while working, which is often. This happened a little over 20 years ago and still affects me to this day. I have had to live with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, depression, OCD, and panic attacks. I lost my job at the time because of this. I lived alone and because of the nightmares, I was unable to sleep. I had to stay awake every night until the sun began to rise and I would finally fall asleep for one hour until I had to get up and get ready for work. Obviously my performance at work suffered because of this and that is why I was let go. I moved back home and lived with my mother for awhile.

   Unlike you I apparently don't carry the same anger issues that you appear to have! I admit that I need counseling to help me deal with this but you quite obviously need it more than I do considering the fact that you are screaming at everyone.

   "So go run my head about something I know about"? I would say that I know ALL about it! In the future, until you know what someone else's background is, I suggest that you refrain from such un-informed and unintelligent accusations!

Jewels,

You and I have 'spoken' a few times on other boards. When I read this post, I just had to respond. I am so sorry for what you went through and still continue to deal with on a daily basis. What an incredibly strong woman you must be!

Continue to fight the good fight.... and thanks for reminding me of the courage and strength of the human spirit- I needed that today.

 

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