Topic : 07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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Created on : Monday, October 08, 2007, 04:49:49 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/15/08) The speculation surrounding O.J. Simpson has never stopped since his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman were tragically murdered 13 years ago. Millions watched O.J.'s infamous white Bronco chase on TV. The murder trial, which lasted 10 months, is often called the trial of the century and was the most watched in history. Simpson stirred the controversy again by attempting to publish a book called, If I Did It. While he says it's a work of fiction, the family of Ron Goldman believes If I Did It is his confession, and that he got caught up in the interview process for the book and forgot that he was supposed to be speculating rather than reporting. Now, the Goldmans are the focus of a huge controversy as they take over publishing the tome. Are they justified in taking the profits away from the man they believe to have killed their loved one? And, meet the ghostwriter of If I Did It, Pablo Fenjves, a man who sat across the table from O.J. for over three months as the former football star told him how it would have happened -- if he had been the killer. Join Fenjves as he goes back to the crime scene and reveals compelling details from his conversations with Simpson. Plus, Dr. Phil offers his take on O.J. and this now best-selling book. Was it a confession, or is it truly just a hypothetical account? Tell us what you think!

Find out what happened on the show.


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July 3, 2008, 10:33 pm PDT

You got part of that right

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People who continue to say that O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole and Ron continue to play double standards. They continue to persecute the man after the court cleared him of criminal responsibility. This indicates that they don't believe in the justice system, and that make it very dangerous. What information do they have that wasn't presented in the trial that makes them more right than the jurors who decided on the case? Hypocrites!

 

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 "This indicates that they don't believe in the justice system"
As a victim of domestic violence myself, you are right.  I have little faith in the criminal justice system.  I lived a hellish nightmare played out in the court system, where it's your word against theirs.  Unfortunaely in Nicole and Ron's case, the opportunity to present their word was taken from them. 

It all boils down to "reasonable doubt", that's all~  That stated, the law does not say he's guilty if you think there is an iota of a possibility he committed this crime, quite the contrary.  There only needs to be an iota of a  possibility he didn't.  I don't think that means the jury was convinced he was "not guilty-beyond a reasonable doubt", just that he wasn't "guilty-BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT".
 

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July 3, 2008, 10:43 pm PDT

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Since the very beginning of this trial I have thought that OJ was innocent but covering for the real killer (his own son). The reason for this is that I refuse to believe that OJ would have done something like this with his own children in the house that could wake up and see him doing this at any time. He would NEVER want his children to see their mother in this manner.

 

Throughout the trial, I watched all the evidence and heard all the theories. But the one thing I didn't hear was that OJ's oldest son could have done it. He had always had a crush on Nicole and she just basically laughed it off as a childs imagination. For him it was real and deep and he was upset that she didn't take him seriously. The amount of passion that went into this murder was horrendous. It shows that someone that loved Nicole deeply had felt betrayed. OJ was not betrayed. they were divorced and had a good repore between themselves. It was his oldest son that carried the anger.

 

For all of you people that think OJ did it, think about the other possibilities. As for Ron Goldman's dad collecting the proceeds from this book or anything else of OJ's it is just plain WRONG!!!! He is cashing in on his sons death and he is collecting blood money. He does not deserve this nor does he deserve the other personal belongings of OJ's. The fact that he made changes to the book tells me this man is out for one thing and one thing only. To get rich offf someone else. He is a poor excuse for a human being and someone needs to stop him. The judges ruling in his favor really are not looking at the real story behind all his motions to collect even more profit from his son's death. He was a nobody until his son died. Now he thinks he is a real celebrity. Stop giving him what he wants. He deserves to remain a NOBODY!!!

 

Pam In Ohio

Pam, how do you know so much about his, OJ's, son?  Did you date him?
 
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July 4, 2008, 5:23 am PDT

07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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 "This indicates that they don't believe in the justice system"
As a victim of domestic violence myself, you are right.  I have little faith in the criminal justice system.  I lived a hellish nightmare played out in the court system, where it's your word against theirs.  Unfortunaely in Nicole and Ron's case, the opportunity to present their word was taken from them. 

It all boils down to "reasonable doubt", that's all  That stated, the law does not say he's guilty if you think there is an iota of a possibility he committed this crime, quite the contrary.  There only needs to be an iota of a  possibility he didn't.  I don't think that means the jury was convinced he was "not guilty-beyond a reasonable doubt", just that he wasn't "guilty-BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT".

I don't think people know what reasonable dout is. reasonable dout is not no dout, because that is not possible.

 

you have two children one 4 and the other 14 and  you find a mess under the kithchen table and the 4 year olds fav. toy. you didn't see who did it and both say they didn't do it. but from the evidence you can say that it was the 4 year old.  there is no 100% sure unless you see it. you can have doubt, but it has to be reasonable.

 
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July 4, 2008, 6:22 am PDT

07/02 The O.J. Book Battle

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If you really think about it, what percentage of Black America does OJ represent? He is more of a white man in a black man's skin. Come on, how many black people live in Brentwood? My ex boyfriend grew up in Brentwood and his parents lived there until they passed away. His father was the Pediatrician to the movie stars children. It's just so funny how black people consider him one of their own. I guarantee you he doesn't consider himself equal to your average black man! OJ wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a black man if the man was on fire! Why can't they find someone else to rally behind, someone with true character and who really considers himself one of his own people? As I've said a million times, I judge everyone equally, but if this is going to be such a big deal to the African American people, and they want to hold on to these beliefs so tightly, I just think that they should have someone of a much higher moral character to represent them. If I was black I wouldn't be willing to claim OJ if he was the last black man on earth!

Should OJ went back to his old neighbor hood and helped out more, sure he should of. Many people like OJ should help but don't ,and that runs in all colors. I know what you are trying to say, Why rally behind OJ  or men like OJ. I think it has to do with men like Al. Sharpton,  he can stir up hate in black poor as well as any KKK leader can in the white poor. You always see Al in front of the camaras when a black man is accused of a crime if he can get something stired up. The Jean 6 I still don't get that at all. Where they over charged Yes but most  crimes are over charged until a plea can be maded. the victim was pushed asided and his perpetrators where made to be heros, it reminded me of the the past but in reverse. it was ugly then and ugly now. A college girl went missing at that time parents where asking for help, did it get much air time NO, would it of gotten more if Al would of put his time to help a young African American college student be found yes !it would of. Who was looking for this girl her parents and friends and the people who showed up to help in the search . color of most of the people there where white. Why is that??? and then you get people on here saying why do minoritys get less air time on the news , They don't when they show up and support a cause, as we seen in the OJ and M. Jackson cases. Why was there more anger over Jena6 then this girl missing. it blows my mind. I'm not angery that a black man was acquitted, I'm angery at a abusive man was, that killed his wife and another person in rage. I live my life and teach my children not to hate anyone because of reigion,race.But  alot of people don't on both sides of the coin.

It angers me when I hear stuiped statements like she got what was comming to her for marrying a black man, or I don't care that OJ killed two white people, what about all the black people killed by whites.both are very racist comments, but only one really raises a eyebrow. Why?

 

The other statement that I found so wrong was White people should just get over it. Its been 13 years was one.

Well it took almost 40 or more years to bring Mr. Cherry and Mr. Killen to justice for their Killing in the sixtys  of innocent blacks and the civil right workers, I'm sure their familys where happy to get that justice I was hppy to see these men finally pay for what they did.

 
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July 4, 2008, 6:45 am PDT

Moshe's response O.J. Book Battle

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   I hope that I spelled your name correctly, I wrote it down and then couldn't read my own writing. It would probably help if I put my eyeglasses on! I assume that you were referring to "julibgg"? She is a friend of mine and I believe that I saw where she responded to another subject on where she could find you. I hope that I have this correct. Juliebgg, lady tinou, and I all pretty much think exactly alike! We are just waiting until we can find a subject that we will disagree on. It appears that you & I are on the same wavelength also, I always enjoy that.

   To be perfectly honest, I find the people who belong to factions such as "White Supremacist" to be incredibly ignorant. Just like the rest of us, they are a mixture of no telling how many different types of blood that runs through them. But they think that they are superior due to there white skin! I myself don't truly even know what my actual background is. I am a mutt! I have English, Irish, German, Cherokee, and who knows what else blood coursing through my veins. And talking about persecution! The Jewish people have been slaughtered by the millions over the years, going all the way back to the days of Jesus and before. Oh yes, we all know that Jews have so much money and own all of the banks! The banks are owned by corporations anymore, although I do think that a well brought up Jewish man makes for a fine husband. I'm talking about those who remain strong in their faith. I may be wrong but oh well............ You can judge how a man will treat his wife by how he treats his mother. I mean no disrespect and you may correct me if you think this was out of line. Please feel free.

   I would love to respond to all of your comments but I am beginning to be in a lot of pain at this point so I will have to get back to you later. Once you talk with me for awhile you will see that this happens often. I am disabled due to Severe Chronic Pain from failed spine surgeries and a few other health issues. I hope to catch you soon, take care and have a nice day!

Jewels

Jewels,

 

Bang on!  That's the same Julie I was referring to and yes she and I tend to maintain the same opinions on most subjects discussed.  I respect others opinions but NOT when they are full of hate. I'm so terribly sorry that you experience chronic back pain; I've only ever experienced a cold in my lower back once and I couldn't believe the pain, only due to a cold; so those whom I know with chronic back pain or migraines, my heart definitely goes out to as I'm fortunate not to have to endure any sustained pain such as that.  I loved your comment about your doctors/surgeons by the way, that's the exact point.  My boyfriend and I discussed this whole O.J. thing last evening as the situation does come up, O.J. will never stop being the "puppet" playing for the camera until he's no longer with us I'm afraid.

 

He's a demon, and that's being kind.  I could say a lot more.  In respect to Judaism and the "males", Judaism to myself and my daughter and my family is all about tradition, we are traditional Jews, we are not Jews who follow into the realm of organized religion, in other words, my attitude about religion is to each his own as long as it doesn't inflict pain and conflict upon anyone.  Unfortunately, I must be candid, not all but the majority of Hasidic Jews are simply nuts as far as most of us less religious Jews are concerned, you could chalk it up to being nothing other than a cult.  The same goes for extremely religious Orthodox (Hasidics are in the black clothing/extremely religious) Jews, they're a cult as far as I'm concerned also.  Unfortunately their wives are chattle, baby making machines, but again, this is a life they choose so who am I to say anything, I just don't fall into the sect.  Ha, you say "MUTT" and I say "Totally screwed like a bottle of Heinz 57", the mix of my background, hey we all came from the same place, there's no such a thing as anyone of us being completely this or that, no can trace back their ancestors to the inception of it all and state I'm only __________, it's inconceivable and I only wish we could just all get along.

 

I don't believe in anyone judging anyone by their colour, creed, ethnic, religious beliefs as mentioned before, but I am tired of hearing that all black people rape and murder, all Jews have the money, the Americans and Chinese own everything in Canada, etc.....It never ends, thus my comment about green eyes being against blue if it weren't a convenient scapegoat enough for everyone who's racist to use COLOUR and ETHNIC.  Absolutely IGNORANT, the white supremists, KKK, arians, etc...they are beyond ignorant, they are STUPID.

 

You can call me a lot of things in my life, but never ever will I tolerate being called stupid for which I'm most certainly not.  My Dad taught me so many good values in life, as did my Mom, however my Dad's a lot more philosophical in content.  He always said, "Being dumb is completely different in respect to being stupid, when you're dumb you are aware of certain subject matter and whatnot but don't know eveything in respect to what you're discussing, however when you are stupid you are unaware and just plain ignorant about the subject."  Hope that makes sense to you, it always has to me. Thus stupidity is a lack of ones care to educate themselves.

 

I find the individual whom a few of us have been responding to, the one who continues to write in CAPS is beyond ignorant, very nasty actually.  That's why I made the comment about the abusive and defensive people writing in.  I'm tired of the O.J. "fans" and supporters who continue to play the race card, basically insinuating that any of us who find him guilty which HE IS, are racist.  Quite frankly that insults me to the utmost, and those who keep posting stating these vindictive comments in reference to that, are again ignorant, they have nothing new to say, so they keep using race as a factor when posting.  They can't come up with any else.  It's convenient for them to toss hate, rather than relate to the FACTS, we all know he did it. 

 

It's been a pleasure, where's Julie!!!!!!  If you find her tell her to come over and discuss O.J. I'd love to hear her thoughts on it.  Take Care, have a super weekend.

 

Moshe

 

Hugs to all! 

 

It could also be said that those who keep throwing race into this

 
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July 4, 2008, 7:23 am PDT

message to Jewels and Feisty from Moshe

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Jewels,

You and I have 'spoken' a few times on other boards. When I read this post, I just had to respond. I am so sorry for what you went through and still continue to deal with on a daily basis. What an incredibly strong woman you must be!

Continue to fight the good fight.... and thanks for reminding me of the courage and strength of the human spirit- I needed that today.

Ladies!!!  You go girls!

 

I'm with you completely, all the way.  Lisa the "caps" poster is angry and wrong.  Jewels you and I have quite a bit in common, my heart goes out to your again for you strength, your courage.  I too have been a victim of violence, I do not wish to disclose the details of this right now, but trust me I have had too many moments in my life wherein I couldn't control the "ex's" and I'm just glad I'm here for my daughter and my family.  So for those of you posting who don't know anything about OUR lives, don't be so quick to judge.

 

Murder is murder, no matter what way you look at it, self defense is self defense.  O.J. perpetrated MURDER, it's a done deal.  Evil knows no boundaries, evil doesn't have a soul, evil doesn't have a conscience, O.J. lives with no remorse, no emotion, no empathy.

 

If he were out daily hunting down as he reiterated time and time again, I'll spend my LIFE looking for them, then maybe just maybe all of us who very well know his guilt would sit and think there's a chance he didn't do it, but that's never been the case.  Also, he never went looking for the killer because he KNOWS there's no "other" killer or killers to look for, he knows it's him.

 

This again is NOT ABOUT RACE, this is about the system going WRONG.  I also discussed with my boyfriend last night, who's to say 12 members of a jury weren't threatened in some manner, who knows what calls went through to people, I mean if they "could have" been threatened throughout the trial, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, if they said guilty maybe they were told they'd be snuffed out and none of us will ever know the ordeal/details behind this whole disgusting trial fiasco.  There are just so many variables that could have ensued.  He's guilty as sin, he knows it.  He has to answer to a greater being now.

 
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July 4, 2008, 8:55 am PDT

response to Pam:

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Pam, how do you know so much about his, OJ's, son?  Did you date him?

Pam,

 

No offense intended towards you, but you are absolutely incorrect, specifically in one main factor:  O.J. and Nicole (may she rest in peace) most definitely did not have a good repoire with one another after the divorce, this is a complete falsehood in "your mind".

 

Their are police records clearly indicating how he stalked her, harassed her and basically could not get over her having a life or being with someone other than him.  Good repoire I don't think so, and I too would like to know if you dated him, no sarcasm intended, but your theories and your revelations are good format for a fictional book. 

 
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July 4, 2008, 9:50 am PDT

O.J. Book Battle treatment of Jews

Quote From: jewelsf

I'm just wondering about something, this has been on my mind all day. Do you believe that black people have been treated worse than Jewish people throughout history? Before you give an answer, think about how many thousands of years that Jews have been slaves, had there land taken away, and how many millions have been slaughtered. Just because they are Jews! I'm very curious of your opinion on this. I know what mine is!

Well thank you so much Jewels!  Thank you and thank you. 

 

You'd like to think with us Jews having suffered the anguish and horror of the Holocaust and Black people having suffered the anguish and horror of slavery, we'd kick it together and have a truly wonderful alliance with one another.  Unfortunately at times in our society now and in the past, this just isn't so.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  Thank you for the respect and words reflecting the horrors of my people, everyone's people to be quite frank with you as Jesus was born a Jew. 

 

And....no Jesus did not get slaughtered and hung upon a cross by Jews contrary to popular belief, we had nothing to do with it, even the bible depicts this; the romans led him to the cross.  So I guess what I'm trying to say is, the torturing and abusive treatment of black people throughout slavery is not acceptable and the fact alone that not only were Jews slaves...we were made into lampshades for crying out loud, fried in ovens, experimented on, torn apart, starved to death, beaten....the horrors goe on and on.  Again, people have to stop with this "it's racism" crap in respect to the O.J. trial and the outcome should he have been proven guilty in the court room.  It's got nothing to do with black or white or purple or pink or whatever.....it's got to do with the fact that had this have been handled appropriately in the courtroom from the get go, had Mark Fuhrman not perjured himself, had others not lied, had evidence not been planted...none of this would have gone down in the way for which it did.  Let's all get our BRAINS into perspective please, let's start from the beginning:

 

O.J. Drives along with Al in the Bronco as police are in hot pursuit

O.J. has a plane ticket booked to Chicago

 

(do we really need to say anything else, why would he avoid the cops if he didn't have something to hide)

 

It's not about COLOUR, it's about JUSTICE...which WAS NOT SERVED.

 
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July 4, 2008, 9:56 am PDT

O.J. staying out of the limelight

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I would think that O. J. would want to stay out of the limelight after getting away with such a horrendous crime.  I think he is the epitome of arrogant!

Touche, you said it all in a couple of sentences.
 
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July 4, 2008, 10:09 am PDT

black or white who CARES!!!!!!

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I'm confused by much of what you post, but the "black 99.8% his dna" statement is definitely wrong--if you are talking about O.J.'s children.  They're not even 50% either white or black, necessarily--it depends on the rest of their DNA, from both their mother and O.J.,  grandparents and even great grandparents on both sides, and so on.  A DNA admixture test determines such.  Not that it matters in the scheme of things--they are human, Nicole's children, and surely or hopefully loved by all of their grandparents. 

 

Perhaps you mean that they are "considered" black, since O.J. is.  This is true.

Again and again and again.... I agree with you, that the children should be loved for who they are HUMAN BEINGS!

 

This isn't about black or white, this is about their Mother Nicole being DEAD, this is about Ron Goldman being DEAD, this is about NOTHING bringing them back.

 

This is about a murderer named O.J. Simpson, why do so many of you concentrate and put so much effort into COLOUR?????  Why are you not more concerned about people in pain, suffering the anguish daily of their lost family members.  My gosh, if it were your families, would you truly give a damn about black or white, or purple or pink, or Italian, Jewish, Portuguese, German, French, Asian, etc.......????

 

Stop with the stupid issue of RACE as a factor and deal with the FACTS, he killed them both.

 

What difference does it make what percentage of black or white the poor children are???  Their Mother is DEAD.  They are children, I'm a Mother and I'm sick and tired of the RACE CARD being played, as many of us posting have indicated over and over, time and time again.  We're all HUMAN BEINGS, we all eat, crap, walk, flatuate, burp, sleep, breath, live and die, we are all equal.  Colour doesn't decide who you are, what's insides of yourself decides this.  I'm Jewish, Russian, German, Polish and I've met some pretty horrible people of those backgrounds and I've met some pretty awesome people of those backgrounds, it's WHO you are NOT WHAT YOU ARE.  For every "good" there's "bad", like good cop/bad cop.....I cannot believe one would care about the percentage of a child's ethniticity, this is ridiculous.

 

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