Topic : Arguing Over Money

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August 23, 2008, 4:08 pm PDT

Husband's job choices making me upset

I am at my wits end and can use some advice. I have been married to the most wonderful man for the past 8 years. He's worked in the same industry that whole time, in a steady, "normal" field. The problem is, he says he doesn't want to do his same career for the rest of his life. That's fine with me, but every other thing he comes off with is something that's very drastic financially! He wanted to open a business, go back to school to be a professor (taking out a full loan and ultimately, not making much in the end-oh, and we'd have to be open to moving just about anywhere). This last one is the worst, and it's come up before. He wants to quit his job, get a degree in music, and become a professional musician. Granted, he's studied it since he was a kid. Despite my persistant arguments, I know that even if he's the best musician in the world, a degree is not necessary. The bottom line is he wants to take out a loan, then end up with an unsteady job that probably won't pay much, and will involve horrible hours. He insists this is what he always wanted to do and everything else was just stuff he was looking into. How on earth can I handle this? It always leads to fights. I don't want to be a nagging wife, sound like a parent by saying "no" or breed resentment if I don't support this. But, I'm afraid I'll become resentful, and I hate how he sees no problem with putting our financial future on the line. Please-no judgements, just advice on how I can handle this. Thanks!
 
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September 10, 2008, 6:34 pm PDT

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My wife and I have no kids, we are both professionals and are healthy...thank god. My wife is in the real estate business and did quite well for a few years while the housing market was booming. During this time and the present I have been working hard in my field making a good income. After the housing market crashed, and my wife being tired of working on weekends decided to quit her job which was no longer paying a good income and persue her own business in real estate helping people in foreclosure or sell off their properties. Since we had a good savings I supported her idea.

 

Here is the problem. It's now been almost two years where she has tried hard to make things work (working from home) but it appears that she is chasing the hot trend/buzz in real estate which is mostly hype and hasn't produced any benefit or income. In fact it's costing us money to support her business. In this tough market we have also been going through our savings and if we continue to not have a second income we could be in trouble in a year or two. I was intitially supportive of her trying out some ideas but after almost two years I think I have a right to question whether it's worth continuing but she is very stubborn and won't change paths or get a job.

 

At this point I feel she is cheating me and herself and has become comfortable working from home and not having to deliver results to anyone. Since we are in a situation where we need a second income I feel as though there should be no excuses to getting a paying job and trying to make her endeavers work part time until we are in a better finincial situation and can take on the risks and expense in persuing a business idea. She resists and won’t change her thinking. It’s beacome a greater problem for me knowing that our savings are dwindling when she can be helping out with the bills instead of creating more bills.

 

I’m not exactly ecstatic about my job but I go to work everyday and have done so all ove my adult life to make sure the bills get paid. I feel that she gave it a fair shot but since we have bills to pay it’s time to take a job that will help us stop going through our savings before nothing is left. If she wants to continue with he business then she is going to have to do it in her spare time and with the income she brings in from a normal job. I feel as though she is in a comfort  zone working from home and does not want to enter the workfoce and have to answer to someone.

 

I have tried talking to her but she won’t listen and insists that she should keep on this venture. I feel as though I have no choice but to get tough on this one…what do you think?

 

 

 

 

 
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September 10, 2008, 6:49 pm PDT

Arguing Over Money

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I am at my wits end and can use some advice. I have been married to the most wonderful man for the past 8 years. He's worked in the same industry that whole time, in a steady, "normal" field. The problem is, he says he doesn't want to do his same career for the rest of his life. That's fine with me, but every other thing he comes off with is something that's very drastic financially! He wanted to open a business, go back to school to be a professor (taking out a full loan and ultimately, not making much in the end-oh, and we'd have to be open to moving just about anywhere). This last one is the worst, and it's come up before. He wants to quit his job, get a degree in music, and become a professional musician. Granted, he's studied it since he was a kid. Despite my persistant arguments, I know that even if he's the best musician in the world, a degree is not necessary. The bottom line is he wants to take out a loan, then end up with an unsteady job that probably won't pay much, and will involve horrible hours. He insists this is what he always wanted to do and everything else was just stuff he was looking into. How on earth can I handle this? It always leads to fights. I don't want to be a nagging wife, sound like a parent by saying "no" or breed resentment if I don't support this. But, I'm afraid I'll become resentful, and I hate how he sees no problem with putting our financial future on the line. Please-no judgements, just advice on how I can handle this. Thanks!

Unfortunately career changes are never easy especially when persuing something very different from what you do today. But your husband is unhappy with his current career and is in need of change. Are there any small steps you can start to take to make a change? Cut expenses? I think your husband has to be realistic too, maybe he can persue his interests in a profession that may utilize what he does today and music if that's possible.

 

I think your concerns are fair and he should be open to discussing a workable plan that you both can agree on. Maybe that means taking small steps at first in making change.

 

Money or Happiness?

 
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September 15, 2008, 2:54 am PDT

Arguing Over Money

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     I have been dating a man I am so in love with for 5 years.  Three years ago he asked me and my children to move from our home in Missouri to join him in Texas.  I agreed and so packed up sold my home and moved into his home.  A year later he proposed to me.  The only problem for me is that he doesn't want to share financies.  He doesn't want my name on the house even if where married.  No joint bank acounts and bills split, cars, etc. are yours and mine.  I am expected to pay most of the bills its like a 70/30 thing when he makes more money than I do.  I don't mind compromising but tell me what is fair.  What is a solution that is fair.  I don't even know where to to go with the money thing and I feel that i can't be married if it is not settled.  Any suggestions?

2nd (or more) time around marriages can get SO complicated when it comes to finances. I'll share what's happened to me (us) in case it is helpful to anyone. I've been married to my 2nd husband for 12 years. My first husband was very greedy when it came to money while we were married, so you can probably picture how nasty he was over money during our divorce. It was so ugly that I finally settled out of court for no alimony (after a 15 years marriage and was a stay home Mom at the time of divorce), and much less child support than "his" children deserved. I never wanted to fight about money again for the rest of my life! The one good thing that came from the divorce was I was able to keep my children in the home they had been living in. My husband wanted his retirement account, which as about equal to the equity in our home.... so I kept the home (and loan) and he kept his retirement account. The home loan was a VA loan, and there could be no change made in the title unless I wanted to refinance the loan. I was single for 7 years before I married my 2nd husband. He was aware of the "money issues" from my 1st marriage, and was very understanding about my concerns when getting married again. We decided to figure all the household expenses, house payment, taxes etc. and then just figured he would pay 1/2 of the expenses to me, and I paid all of the bills out of my own checking account. We both earned about the same amount, so all seemed fair to both of us, and with both incomes we made less than $40,000 per year. Before we got married I had 2 real estate agents give me amounts (within $2,000 of each other)  of what the house was worth at the time of our marriage. We wrote up (and notarized) an agreement between us that in 1996 the home was worth X amount, and in the event of divorce this X amount would belong to me, and any additional equity in the home would be divided equally between us, in the event of a divorce and sale of the home. After being married a number of years, and my husband landscaping, putting in new windows, a yard building etc. I felt very guilty about his name not being on the title.... but we never bothered to refinance the loan in both of our names.... and in the long term...  thank heavens we didn't! My husband worked for an employer when we were first married, but 6 months after we were married he decided to start his own  business as a contractor. He'd had his own business before, but lost it, and everything else in his divorce. So for most of the 12 years we've been married he has struggled financially (with me bailing him out a number of times) while I worked a full-time office job, plus another home business. Three years ago he went into a partnership with a "friend" that went under in less than a year. They were almost $300,000 in debt, and I never even had a clue! The partner just walked out one day, and this was when I finally heard how bad things really were! I was in total shock... and very upset. My husband & I went to see a bankruptcy attorney, and for the FIRST time in all the years we'd been married I was counting my lucky stars that we had kept EVERYTHING financial separate! I had to prove that the home loan was in my name only, that I'd paid ALL of the home expenses myself out of my checking account, and that he just paid me rent and expenses to live here. It took almost a year to get the bankruptcy in place (he is doing a chapter 13 to try and repay as much as he can) and was even more stressful than my divorce. Knowing I COULD have lost my house... over something I had NO part in scared me to death! I will NEVER feel guilty again, or feel bad about keeping my own finances in MY name only! I still plan to leave the house to my husband in the event of my death, he has made this the happy "home" it is.. but I will no longer trust him when it comes to financial things that would have any impact on me. I had signed on loans, credit cards etc. for him in the past... but will never again put myself at risk now that I'm in my mid-50's and have to worry about how I'm ever going to be able to retire with the cost of things today... what are they going to be like by then? I sure don't think there is going to be a retirement "fairy" coming my way... and all I know is I have to do the best I can to take care of "myself" -- because the sad reality is, I have absolutely no control over what anyone else in my life is going to do... I've learned that the hard way.

 
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October 13, 2008, 10:19 am PDT

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Greetings all,

   This is my first time posting to this forum.  I grew up as a child of divorce, and too a female.  The one thing that is a disadvantage to this day as many women still "lose" their identity when they marry.  We lose our names, merge finances and as I have seen all over these discussions, become "directed" by the male spouse.  Fortunately that is changing.  I saw my mother almost destroyed when she was divorced in the 60's as her now ex took everything and split!  She worked 16+ hours a day as a single mother in a laundry to make ends meet. Her only saving grace was her mom was still alive and living in an apartment one floor down and could watch us 3 kids.  I have seen many in here say "He wouldn't let me have a bank account, credit/debit card etc., to include having at times to ask and or beg for money to buy even basic needs!

    I vowed to never be with someone that is like that.  I did take my husbands name happily (18 and a half years and still going strong), but I have *my* finances, he has his, and we have a "we" account. No credit or debit cards are joint.  My bills, my responsibility, same for him.  Sure he could split and take the "we" account, but he can't hurt me beyond that.  Ditto goes for my leaving and taking what is his. When we first married our salaries were almost equal.  He already had a house and offered to add me to the title.  I thanked him, but since I had no financial investment in it, declined.  Other than the house, we would go "Dutch" most times when we ate.  Odd maybe to some, but power to neither of us doing that. For vacations we divide up who pays for what - hotel, car, mode of travel etc.  This has worked out wonderfully. 

   The only arguing per say we had was me busting on him for his quick "money faster than water through the hands" habits.  It didn't hurt me mind you, but I felt his pain when he did want something and didn't have the money to get it.  He is much better with his money management now.  In 1997 my job transferred me to South Florida, and too at that point I was now making 2x what he was.  Due to that, I searched for and bought a house - and like him years past, offered to add him to the title.  He declined stating "You bought it, and you have agreed to all expenses, it is yours."  By Florida state law, he after 10 years of marriage could be awarded half unless we come to our own agreement.  I now make almost 3x's what he makes.  I will be paying the house off in December hopefully.  As for bills, I took on about 70% due to the income differences.  I have seen in here were it was similar on the salary spread but still 50/50 - I don't understand how one can agree or put up with that.  Sorry, just my feelings there.  I love my husband to death, and plan so far to be with him to that end.  If he is down, I am there to help him, and he for me should there be problems.  Money is such a crappy thing to have to fight over. Marriage is not only for love, but like a business, you have to work it daily and fairly. Thanks for listening. :-)
 
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October 30, 2008, 5:27 am PDT

My wife put horses welfare in front of her childrens

Ok i never thought i would put a post on your website but i am desperate. My wife thinks you are God and actually listens to your opinion.

Ok here goes.

I am a retained firefighter in Ireland earning about €50,000 ($65,000) a year, there is a thing in Ireland called "the childrens allowance" which brings the household income up to about €60,000 ($78,000) a year.
We have a small mortgage and the normal household bills. Irewland is an expensive country but what is happening is not right.

A number of years ago i backed my wife up in getting a pony for my eldest daughter and then last year without telling me she bought another horse for herself. She now puts the welfare of these horses before the welfare of the children. She is obsessed with horses (which i now hate with every fibre of my being) and puts them first in everything. As an example she told the kids last week that if there was something wrong with one of the horses (she thought that there was something wrong with a foot on one of them) that the family would be on bread and water, she infromed me last night that the kids would not be getting what they wanted for Christmas and they would make do. This type of thing is typical. Last year i did up a basic tal of income and expenditure for the family and found that €20,000 could not be accounted for and she would not explain it. The family weekly budget for food is €300 , there was always enough food there and some treats for the kids. She came back from shopping last week with half of what is normally got but with three bags of the best horse food bought from money ment for the family food budget, this is getting typical now. We have so much horse gear ( rugs and such) that one stable owner (where the horses were stabled) told me that it was ridiculus and she had never seen the like. My wife is taking money from the family account  and spending it on the horses so we have no savings at all. She has spent a small fortune on vets and farrier fees and can come up with every excuse on the planet as to where the money is gone. It gets so bad sometimes that i worry if i can put petrol in the car. I don't drink but she does (in the bedroom at night on her own).  At the moment over here it is freezing but i can't afford to get oil for the central heating, my kids are walking around wrapped in blankets they are so cold but the horses have the best of everything. She moved the horses a few months ago and when she moved them she had two options 1/ she found a local farmer that would rent her a field, it would probably cost about at the outside €1000 a year, but no that was not good enough. She opted for a stabling way that costs €100 a week plus food, bedding, hay and anything else that goes with it. I do not know much about horses so i am lost as far as they go.

The stress of this is killing me and i have a constant headache from it.

I am sorry if the post is disjointed but there is so much that i am typing as i think, there is a lot more but tis is the general idea


 
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November 3, 2008, 4:29 pm PST

Receiving $ for something and using it for something else

My wife and I are expecting our first child.  Our parents are helping us by buying the crib, dressers etc.  My wife and I told my mother that we'd like her to buy us a glider (with ottoman). My mom said she would, so we sent her a link to a web site that has the chair and ottoman we want.  She gave us a check for the exact amount for us to order and have delivered.  My wife, after receiving the check, found a VERY similar chair and ottoman for a couple hundred dollars cheaper.

 

Here is the problem:  My wife does not think it's wrong to purhcase the cheaper chair/ottoman, and use the extra money for other random decor etc for the room.  My attempts to explain to her the basic principles of right and wrong have not only failed, have really driven a wedge between us.  We are talking Right & Wron 101 here.  The fact that she can't even see the fact that asking for something, getting money for it, then spending it on something else is wrong, absolutely kills me.  It's deceitful & untruthful.  I even tried to use our unborn child as an example by asking if she thought it would be right for our son to come to us and say he needed $200 for football equipment, then spending the money on video games.

 

This has become much more of a matter of not caring one bit about the chair and ottoman, which I don't, and much more a matter of I can't believe my wife doesn't understand basic concepts/principles of right and wrong.

 

HELP!

 

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