Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 12:04 pm PDT

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As a parent to any other real parent out there. I lived thur The shooting on 4/20 and years later i watched it unfold again in our state and then again weeks later. We need to check ourselfs look at the ones around us that we say we love. We need to extend ourselves to help the ones we see every day because we do see them every day and we should be extending our helping hand when we see that our loved ones are not right in mind or soul. Quit deining that we all could be killers if pushed to far. I wachted as our school system push children to there brink and I stopped it when it was my child but it did not stop for any others so I to need to push the system to make it right for all children in our school systems . I want all children to be looked at and treatd as one not a unit of children. We see our family and our children every day we are the ones who should see and stop it. One child at a time we can make it right. Reach out today and help a struggling child, someone whos being bullied or maybe the bullie himself. We all must  BRIDGE THE GAP AND RAISE one child at a time then we should do just that but we must stop sweeping it all under the rug when we dont make time to make it right we as adults need to be leaders to our children so that one day they can be leaders not mass killers. Give your time mentor a child today.

 
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October 12, 2007, 12:10 pm PDT

Desensitization by video game training

Today's youth are desensitized to death by training that they receive in killing in video games.  This is contributing to the mass killing that we are seeing today.  In the past, an impulse killer might stop after being revulsed by the blood and gore that he had caused, but today's youth are not stopped by seeing blood and gore, because they are so used to seeing it on the screen. 

 

You can defend these games all you want, but it is undeniable that they contribute training in mass murder in these children's lives. 

 
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October 12, 2007, 12:25 pm PDT

Just can't understand

I am a 30 yr veteren RCMP officer where one of my colleques did the same thing. We knew he was not like the others but the supriors did nothing until he went overboard. After 5 yrs I am still troubled by this because he was a nice guy, where I worked just great with . It was a tragedy at the office let me tell you!

 

I will be listening very closely what Dr.Phil will say and maybe I'll start with my closer on this very sad event.

 

John

 
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October 12, 2007, 12:29 pm PDT

shootings and how to stop from an insider

Im 20 years old and I have lived through the long stories and cries from parents when shootings happen. They are terrible things that should have never happened in this lifetime. However it is the same parents who cry over the bodies who they themselves have the blood on their hands. Growing up I was always treated like nothing becasue I was stuck in a shcool with small numbers but big popularity complexes. Becasue I was the oddball.. not blonde, not into all the girly attributes of a cheerleader, I had a metaphoric message posted to my cross ever stigmatizing myself up until high school graduation. Being that I lived in canada, you would expect a less severe version of the 'jock vs. loser' mentality our American cousins have. On the contrary. it was the worst years of my life and all through those torturous events which left me with no confidence and no where to go, ditrusting anyone and everyone I still observed one thing.. these actions those monsters acted out, WERE ALL ENCOUAGED!!! All the threats and the physial abuse was not even considered anything becasue of who they were. If you were welcomed into this sick aryian society we call the "popular ones' teachers would turn a blind eye, or even tell thier sports team to go and make an "example" of the lesser ones. Many, not just the stereotypical goth-devil-loving people that the media has claimed to be the villians, but event he quiet smart students loathed and hated those people with a very violent passion. But they of course backed down and forgot their ideas. Its sad to say that such things as Colombine or even the more recent shooting in a Quebec college; I see as something that easily can be understood. Not from a hate and animalistic violent pattern, but moreso an understanding from how those people finally had enough. Enough mockery, enough rejection, enough abuse. And when you cannot physically defend yourself, even emotionally protect yourself from this harm, its seemingly very rational to go and find something that will. Myself, I am Catholic and tried so very hard through the years to just brush it off my shoulder.. but even now I am diagnosed with manic depression from the years of abuse I took at school. My parents loved and nurtured me, but it was those 8 hours a day for 15 years of my life that cut me down and wasted me into a quite different and dark person who herself wishes that a few people could learn. I pray for the victems, I pray for thier families, but I moreso pray for them to realize how bad a system we have and how we should change the ideal from being blonde hair blue eyed beauties to being a mosaic of all types, genres and creeds. You want to know how to prevent? Give harsher punishments to those who are popular, shine stars on the silent 'weird' ones, and give more encouragement for talking about problems and understanding thoe problems. Such as Marylin Manson said on Bowling for Columbine- "I would do nothing. I would just listen. Becasue no on did that for them".

 

sorry if I upset any of you afflent privilaged yale types who did torture those in school, but lets face it; you helped them by hurting them.

 
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October 12, 2007, 12:30 pm PDT

A few questions

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I feel compelled to tell a story that  happened last year on my 8 year olds school bus ride home. A 10 year  old boy told several of the boys if they came on the bus tomorrow he would bring a gun and shoot them. One was the superintendents son. He came home and told his father right away. Mine did not. He just told me that this child who both my children have had encounters with in the past was picking on him and others again today. and that he told the bus driver. The next day all the boys were called into the office. My son did come home and tell me that he was called into the principals office and then again to ask if he was afraid to ride the bus. When I asked why he told me because the boy had made threats and was suspened for a week off the bus. . He did not tell me more and I was in the yard and did not ask more. The next evening I went to a jewelry party and was told that the boy made the threat of bringing a gun and shooting the boys. I was also told he was suspened off the bus for the rest of the year.  I just happened to have a meeting with the principal the next morning and asked him what happened. He became extremely defensive and told me that it had been dealt with and I should not worry about it. I told him I was very angry that my child was threatened with a gun and NO ONE told me! He also said the child only got one week suspension and had to seek counseling. This child had been in trouble numerous times before. The bus driver told me last year when I suggested speaking with the childs parents, "It probably will not do you any good!" I am thinking one week will maybe get him what, one counseling session before this child is put back on the same bus and into the same situation that made him so angry to threaten the kids to begin with. He told me if I did not like it, do not let my kid ride the bus!  I questioned the principal about the minimal 1 week suspension. He told me that was his decision to make. I told him if he did not care about the 60 other kids on the bus and their safety, at least think about the child you are putting right back into that same scenario! The principal never spoke to the entire bus about making threats! Luckily the parent made the decision to remove his child from the bus. I also was very upset that I was not notified of any of this from the school. Had I not heard it, my child would be on that bus with that same  angry child. The principal went on to say we should talk to our children. I said, " How could we, you never gave us that option by telling us!"

 

Another child made the same type of threat 2 months later on the same bus! Once again, because it was not handled correctly the first time. At least this child was not one who had been in trouble before. 

 

I have since written my Congressman and State Rep. I have found there is no fereral or state law that requires the school to tell the parents if a gun threat is made. There is no law that mandates how long a child be suspeneded off the bus for making such threats. There is plenty once the gun is already there but nothing before it happens!!!! Watching Dr. Phil and looking for warning signs. We do some times have them. The school could have easily let the parents know about the situation without devulging the students name.  We also have a bulleying program which could discuss such threats. When I was told this all falls on the code of conduct I went looking for something there.  It all pertains to threats made to staff nothing for student to student. 

 

I also asked what  proceedure is followed when a gun threat is made?.Do you notify the police. He told me it depends on the childs age. AGE! How many times has a young child brought a gun to school.  We can't discriminate due to age. The Pshycologist on the show today said it starts with ages 7,8,and 9.  I have since called my Superintendent after the shootings on Monday to see what he might do now! As nothing changed from last year. The bussing guidelines still had nothing about threats nor did the code of conduct. Also nothing mandating the schools to keep parents informed when such incidents occur.  He at least agreed to read my email and consider my suggestions. This is a hole in our system that needs to be filled.

 

I live in Ohio and this was a wake up call for me to continue to persue this until the laws continue to protect the victims!! By the time the gun is there it is too late!!!!! 

 

My next step is Jerald Newberry after this email. Thanks Dr. Phil.

 

Concerned Mother from Ohio!

Ma'am,

 

I read your story and needless to say I am not surprised.  The question I have is, when your son told you he had been threatened why didn't you stop and ask him what kind of threats?  Also, you stated that the other boy went home and told his dad but your son did not.  Why didn't your son tell you?  I know you are a concerned mother because if you weren't  you would not be inquiring about policies and procedures and writing to your congressman.  By no means am I trying to judge or criticize you in any way.  Those two things just jumped out at me while I was reading and I felt compelled to ask.

 

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 12:41 pm PDT

Shooting

Its not video games or tv fault that kids kill or the guns its parents and the kids that do it people just don't teach their kids about guns like they should.we have guns in our house and we don't go out and kill people and i have been abused by my own dad and i don't kill people either!!!
 
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October 12, 2007, 12:54 pm PDT

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I am listening to the show and find myself very frustrated.  I hear Dr. Phil saying 2/3 of the kids do this-- 1/2 of the kids do this.  One FACT not being reported is that 100% of the kids involved in school shootings are on an anti-depressant.  Why isn't anyone reporting on that FACT?  That's 100%
 
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October 12, 2007, 12:57 pm PDT

Obssesive Way to Young Love and Enough Already

From What I understand Tyler was 20 years old and had just ended a 4 YEAR commitment.  The beautiful young lady who was his former partner was at a HOMECOMING party.  My concern is how old was the young lady when she and Tyler started going out.  If it was a 4 year thing Tyler was only 16.  Was the young lady 17 or 18 years old? If this started 4 years previously was she only 13 or 14 when it started? Did she just want to be a teenager ? I don't know for sure, but I feel this was an inappropriate match from the beginning. She was much to young to be in a commitment in the first place.

 

The profiler was right on. Things are falling apart as far as family and what is presented in the media and  video games to young kids.

 

The somewhat easy access to guns turns a thought into action. Other countries allow guns to its citizens Canada allows rifles in order to game shoot. Their murder rate is considerabley lower than here.

You don't need an AK47 to shoot a deer.  We have the right to bear arms. We do not need the right to lock and load as an Army would. Enough. Already.

 

 The ARA should spend its money on trigger lock devices for free and support the types of firearms that make sense instead of lobbying Congress every two seconds.

 

If they are so afraid we may have to take arms against the government in place Spend the money on making sure our freedom stays intact.  Times change. Our forefathers Made bearing arms a right, but at the time they were dealing with singe shot weapons. GET REAL PEOPLE OF AMERICA FOR HEAVENS SAKE!

 
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October 12, 2007, 12:59 pm PDT

Columbine and Bullying

I totally agree on the subject of the shooting in Wisconsin.  I mean, how did this person become an officer. 

It almost seems as if they seek out abusive and/or borderline personalities in law enforcement these days.  As if the point is abuse of power, not helping people.  But on the subject of Columbine I have a few things to say.  Of course, the course of action that the young men decided to take was wrong.  But where was everyone's righteous indignation when those young men were being viciously abused by the "pretty people" or the "popular people?"  If I'm not mistaken, a few members of the football team once doused one of the young men in gasoline and threatened to set them on fire.  In the end, they only set the trenchcoat on fire, but this sounds like an utterly terrifying event.  Not everyone can take that kind of unthinkingly cruel and vicious abuse on a daily basis and stay sane.  What about the little twelve year old boy, who was constantly tortured verbally and physically by his classmates because he was  overweight, who blew his brains out in the hallway in front of everyone because he could not stand one more day of torture and abuse.  I am studying to be a teacher and I feel very stronlgy about bullying.  It seems as if the school administrators are definitely dropping the ball because they are afraid of liability.  Well, "in choosing not to decide, you still have made a choice."  (Thanks to Rush for that line.)  I believe that they have dropped the ball.  Bullying is not just "a normal part of childhood."  Bullying is bigotry.  Put whatever spin on it you want, it's wrong.  And the officer who thought he had the right to murder a group of innocent people certainly qualifies as a bully.  Why is our society sticking it's head in the sand on this subject?!  You don't have to be a bully or borderline personality to be an officer.  Aggression is not a prerequisite for such a position.  In fact, it seems to me that it is very detrimental.  Surely there are better more construction ways for human beings to express and/ or purge themselves of their natural agressive tendencies.  I hope that today's show throws some light on this subject.  Thanks so much to everyone for their time and attention.

 
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October 12, 2007, 1:02 pm PDT

Homecoming Shooting

 Hello my name is Alicia. I am 19 years old and am currently in College. I just found that today on Dr. Phil's school shooting show you seemed to be going in circles and trying to figure out how to "read" the potential shooters. I know there isn't a 100% way we can detect every school shooting that could possibly happen. But why do all these shooters have accessibility to guns? Shouldn't that be something that Public School Health and Safety people should be looking after? Also, would it be too big of a deal to get detectors on every entrance into schools? That should be something that is mandatory in School systems. Some people/kids might have problems with doing that everyday but I think if they had detectors at each entry into the schools that then they would be able to contact people who are bringing guns into the school. That's just what I think. I think that the main problem is the guns that all these people are being able to use and have accessibility too.
Thanks!
 

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