Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Today my nephew got suspended from school for drawing a picture of himself killing the principle...

of course he got suspended, what I am totally upset about is that his Father is mad at the principle for suspending him.  He thinks its no big deal and his child should NOT be suspended. The principle told him that a 5 day suspension is very lenient, he could suspend him for 180 days and or get the police involved. My brother in law was so mad at the principle he refused to go pick him up from school.  I was watching the show and the discussion of how we can see these things happening-(shootings)

For one thing we need parents that care......we need parents that need to side with the schools and laws and not the kid.  So obviously this kid was mad at the principle for some reason......so now what? His Father will have convinced him that the principle was wrong and he didn't do anything wrong so that will make him even more angry at the principle........then what?

I just feel totally frustrated at parents that are like this and kids that feel the need to be stupid.

I work in a small town about 20  miles from where I live and just yesterday was told that they pulled a couple kids out of that school that had hit lists.  There has to be significant signs and warnings that parents and school personal can look for to prevent any more shootings, its senseless.

I can't believe there have been more shootings in the USA. My heart goes out to all those families who have lost loved ones in the recent shootings and also to the family members of the shooters.

 

I live in a country (canada) where guns laws are strict, however guns still get in the hands of the wrong people. So strict gun laws don't always work.

 

I have a concern with the diagnosises that were mentioned today on the Dr. Phil show. There is already a stigma attched to people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. Todays show is not helping people become informed about the TRUTH about BPD, now not only are people diagnosed with BPD viewed as "attention seekers, manipulators, game players" people that don't deserve adequate care and treatment. Today on the Dr Phil show, people with BPD are also characterized as potential murderers!! MANY people diagnosed with this illness are (victims) SURVIVORS of abuse and trauma and resort to self harm behaviours as a means to cope with the intense inner turmoil they suffer. What a shame that after todays show, the stigma against people with this diagnosis has only worsened today. Sadly worsened by "professionals."

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/borderline-personality-disorder.shtml

 

 

 

 

If your logic holds then why not bar the right too a free press we all know this is a big cause of hate and discontent then theres the right to vote lets go back to a king and queen or dictator while your at it free speech no more message boards how many computers do you find in north korea or cuba  NO i'll keep my guns teach my kids and my grandbabys not to touch them till they respect them like i was taught by the way what about phones and cars do you have a cell bet you talk on it while you drive lets get rid of them!!! ME YOU ASK no i dont and i dont drive !!!!

The fact is, Dr. Phil, that while the one's that shoot do warn people. A lot of kids make those kinds of threats as do adults and they do Not follow through. Action can't be taken against a person because we Think they're going to do something based on statements made in anger. I'm sure there are a lot more cases of people or kids threatening to this type of action and Not following through than there are of people or kids that do follow through. Many of those people are loners as well. We can and should identify them and provide them with help and resources but we can't presume that they are going to act on their threats. What concerns me is that kids could be unjustifiably labeled as threats or psychopaths.

We need to outlaw all weapons that are specifically made to kill people.  We pay taxes for protection from the bad guys.  If our law enforcement  were allowed to adequately protect us there would be no need for the general public to carry hand guns or automatic weapons.

   

The question is, how can we as a nation, as a state, county, town, etc. compile a peace force that we trust enough to lay down our weapons for?  This is a war to be fought with our intelligence, not our guns. 

 

I know it can be done because I have lived long enough to see what we are capable of.  I grew up in a time when teachers smoked at their desks and mothers smoked in doctor's waiting rooms while holding sick children in their arms.  It was an accepted way of life.   Now, there are entire towns that do not allow public smoking. 

 

Surely if we can tame that beast we can handle this killer issue as well. 

 

 

I work in a school for students who have been identified by their Child Study Team as in need of a highly structured & behaviorally oriented setting. I work with students who overwhelmingly have serious anger issues. I have found that there is often unresolved grief underlying the anger, which can trigger a violent outburst. Our school offers tremendous clinical & psychiatric support. Our multi-disciplinary staff work very closely with our students. When a student presents in a way that is out of the ordinary , there are various staff & methods that are utilized to help the student vent feelings & problemsolve. Unfortunately, parents are difficult to engage & generally only make contact during a crisis.When a parent is unable/unwilling or otherwise distanced from their child,a positive outcome plummets.The collapse of the nuclear family leaves a devastating void on how a child develops values, conscience & a healthy identity. How do we identify potentially violent students? I don't have the answer, but I do know from my work with young teens & adults; their definition of  violence varies.Tossing a desk may not seem out of control to one student, while another student says 9/11 was cool. I also think that the stigma of possibly having a mental illness, prevents the appropriate intervention. The effect of violence is so tremendously multi-leveled, often multi-generational.We need to become the "village" that will ensure no student will be left behind , without a voice, to commit violence, in order to be heard..since nobody bothered to listen.

    Thank you , Dr. Phil, for your stand against the opening by a school of mental health records for troubled young people.  No good could come from it.  Do we really want parents and children who are trusting their mental health professionals to stop seeking help for fear that their problems would become public?
    My family lived in Paducah, KY with my only son in middle school during the school shootings.  As an early teen my son was troubled.  I did everything possible to help him succeed both socially and at school.  He had weekly counseling, attended church, took medication, and was held to a strict standard at home.  We did not have guns in the house and he did not have access elsewhere.  Still, the atmosphere in the Paducah school system  was terribly stifling for him.  The pendulum swung so far to the extreme that if a middle schooler wrote a story in a creative writing setting that included the word "gun" , the child would be expelled and possibly find themselves facing criminal charges.   If we had had to worry about the school seeing his counseling records, that would have ended the counseling.  How is that to help?

That is unbelieveable that on the day of a show about Wisconsin Story.

The Northland News Center (NBC) blocked all viewer of channel 6,

which is Dr. Phil Show. NBC blocks Wisconsin Citizens from viewing

this story on the murder of six peopleby a Sheriff Officer. Why? Censorship?

 Lets get to the real reason this is happening so much. Its true this are troubled teens, but the media exploits these crimes. It allows other trouble loner kids to get ideas. When a shooting happens this is all you hear about and see on the news. The shooter's pictures are posted on every news station and newspaper. I'm not saying that games aren't responsible for this as well as poor parenting. These things just didn't happen 20 or 30 years ago and now all of the sudden in the last 10 years its becoming a trend? If these stories were not show over and over on the news, internet etc. I think the teens would be less likely to get ideas and think that if they committed the same kind of crime they would become a celebrity. The media really needs to start taking some responsibility in what they are showing, as well as parents monitoring what their kids are watching.

Regarding opening medical records.  I believe both yes and know apply to opening records.  I do not believe the actual records should be opened for school use regardless of the circumstances.  However, I do feel if there is a treating doctor out there who sees all of the signs and "knows his patient" and feels that there is a pretty good chance he will act out on his plans... then he should. by law, be required to report it to police and the school the patient attends.  Additionally, I believe teachers and administrators as well as law enforcement officers should have to have psych evals.  There is a great deal that can be determined in a very brief period of time.  I worked for the US Army in the Psych Dept at a large military hospital on the East Coast and soldiers volunteering for certain schools were required to have psych evals.  It took 15 min or less to eliminate those who were unsuitable.