Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 2:41 pm PDT

as this show is taped, another in Philadelphia

  • Oct 12,
  •   Mother Arrested After Son's Alleged 'Plot To Kill'- Near Philadelphia PA - probably at the same time the show was being taped- another incident by a 14 year old!  
  • Over 30 Weapons, 4 Grenades Found In Home Of 14-Year-Old PLYMOUTH MEETING (CBS 3) ―

    The mother of a 14-year-old who was reportedly planning a 'Columbine'-type event at a Montgomery County high school was arrested on gun charges Friday.

    Police charged the 46-year-old Michele Cossey with six gun charges on allegations she purchased three weapons for her son, including a .22 caliber handgun, a .22 caliber rifle and a 9mm rifle.

    The teen allegedly planned to use the weapons in a plot to kill students at Plymouth Whitemarsh High School.  see: http://cbs3.com/topstories/arrest.teen.montgomery.2.342081.html

     

    Can we start a college fund for students/parents who report these kids BEFORE it happens like the latest in Philadelphia?? I can only imagine how many lives the student and his parent saved by going to the authorities BEFORE it happened.  This school is obviously doing something right. Let's all take a lesson from them.

     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

    10/12 Homecoming Shooting

    Quote From: trancegemini

    The fact is, Dr. Phil, that while the one's that shoot do warn people. A lot of kids make those kinds of threats as do adults and they do Not follow through. Action can't be taken against a person because we Think they're going to do something based on statements made in anger. I'm sure there are a lot more cases of people or kids threatening to this type of action and Not following through than there are of people or kids that do follow through. Many of those people are loners as well. We can and should identify them and provide them with help and resources but we can't presume that they are going to act on their threats. What concerns me is that kids could be unjustifiably labeled as threats or psychopaths.

    I also agree that kids can be unjustifiably labeled or mislabeled.

    I do not have children; are parents asked on school forms if the children are diagnose with a mental illness? Are teachers taught the FACTS of mental illness. 

     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

    10/12 Homecoming Shooting

    Quote From: avgwoman

    First, I would like to start of saying that the events that took place in Wisconsin. The event that took place happen everywhere. It just when it happen in a place that every one feels is a good suburban town, people get frantic and Dr. Phil produces a show about it. That was not to offend Dr. Phil, I love your show. This week in Cleveland Ohio, There was a school shooting, is this going to be on any show, probably not. The reason why I think it will not be is because we expect it to happen there. Those people live violent lives not the one in little town suburb. Once we start seeing that violence affect all of us, I do mean all of us maybe we will start seeing our way out of violent society that we all teach our kids. As for the police department feeling a sting from this, I respect the concern of all involved. People do need to separate the individuals who are not responsible with their duties as officers from the ones who are. I have a huge respect for any one who risk their lives every day to make mines safer. I'm a black woman who is in a environment that is violent, and the police has been my best friend in the neighborhood. So I thank the law enforcement of Columbus Ohio for all ways responding to my call in a timely fashion. Peace be with the families and the victims of this unfortunate event in their lives. Hope God sees you through and helps you heal.

    With all due respect - I think the coverage we are seeing in Wisconsin vs. Cleveland is because nobody but the shooter died in Cleveland; because the shooter wasn't a police officer; and because (by the grace of God); everyone is basically okay.

     

    I don't think people expect it in Cleveland... I don't think people "expect" it anywhere near them.   It just so happens that this involved the deaths of 6 people in a very small community where many people knew the killer.

     

    Having grown up in a tiny Wisconsin town - this means that the police officer is also the kid's bus driver and probably is a real estate agent.  It's just how it is.  I didn't grow up in Crandon - but my community was MUCH like it.  Everyone knows everyone.

     

    I now live in an urban area (also in Wisconsin) and there is more anonymity in an urban area - where these people potentially go unnoticed.  I think THAT is why there is coverage on this topic.

     

    It's necessary because we need to learn from this.  We need to see that these people didn't die in vain and learn from this experience - whether it be different laws, different psychological evaluations of professionals, or simply getting to CARE about each other again. 

     

    My heard and prayers are with this entire town and all the family and friends affected by the tragedy.

     

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    October 12, 2007, 2:47 pm PDT

    10/12 Homecoming Shooting

    Quote From: lefthandgypsy

    It was apparent to me that despite all the analyzing as to "how do we prevent this from happening?" no one really got to the HEART of the matter of the real reason it happened in the FIRST place-it happened because of the feelings of powerlessness that the shooter felt when being bullied!!!. The reason the shooter did what he did was because he wanted to exercise power (get revenge) over the people who bullied him. He wanted them to feel the same fear and powerlessness that he felt while being bullied by them-and he succeeded in that end, didn't he?. Revenge is a very common theme, how could you miss that?

     

    Everyone seems to want to excuse the hateful meanspiritedness of the bullies and then feel sorry for themselves as if they were completely innocent when it was the bullies who got the ball rolling in the first place.

    I agree!
     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:51 pm PDT

    Shooting in America

    Why are you NOT talking about the availability of guns in this country????  Look at Canada, and other countries that have stricter gun control laws, and see how LOW their gun crimes/murders are....

     

    Why not take on the NRA and get those guns off the street....  They arrested a mother for crissakes, who had provided the guns to her SON, who was planning an assault on his school....

     

    There's something really really wrong with our love of guns in this country......

     

     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:53 pm PDT

    mother teresa had it right!

    when she said to us in visiting america:  "if you kill the child in the womb, what is going to stop your child from killing mine or mine from killing yours."

     

    I know this because i heard her say it right here in Penna. when she visited!

     

    No one wants to deal with the reality that when life at the beginning or end is diminished, then all of life is diminished.

     

    Sadly, this is going to continue and only get worse.

     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

    10/20 Homeciming Shooting

    The topic of youth violence was riviting and Dr. Phil handled the guests with his usual skill however, I fear that he shied away from the important questions and answers.

     

    Increasing numbers of young men respond in violent ways in part because of the way  that we rear young men.  Certainly biology and chemistry play their part however, young men soon get the message that they are suppose to be inherently superior and entitled simply because they are male. Violence and aggression are widely acknowledged to be "manly" traits so when young men are frustrated, their violent outbursts are deemed acceptable.  Learning to contol and monitor their emotions is considered weak and feminine and we do precious little in our homes and schools to teach boys anger management.  Relationships with women become yet another area of male entitlement; an entitlement that  women had better not challenge.

     

    Added to all of this is the worship of guns in our country; another manifestation of manly definition. We raise boys to understand that guns are toys and killing is a game.  Do we believe that our children are not watching , listening and learning as we take wars and police actions all over the world? All of this has been reinforced by an incredible amount of violent and sexually destructive entertainment that for many youth, has simply replaced constructice parenting.

     

    Why are we surprised at the up-swing in violence? We are carefully and successfully breeding it in our culture.

     

    Deeply concerned,

     

    Adine Usher, Ed.D.

     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

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    What a senseless tragedy. My heart goes out to those involved in this painful situation. Sometimes I wonder if we spend more time truly caring and reaching out to others will our world be less violent and dangerous.
     
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    October 12, 2007, 2:55 pm PDT

    Shootings

    Quote From: ldamaske

     

    I am a former educator and I agree with the profiler on todays' show.  You can spot troubled children from pre-k through thre 2nd or 3rd grade.  These are children who receive sub-standard care, are victims of abuse, or borderline abuse, or who have dysfunctional parents or life style of some sort.  These kids experience more disappointments, hurts and frustrations of some manner and by the time they are 12 or 14 they are just plain angry and are tired of their needs not being met.  Children show up to school with no lunch, smelling of dirty body or urine, exhibit non-appropriate-age behaviors, some who have not forged an emotional connection with either parent, or are not cared for somehow.  We've all had these kids in our classrooms.  Something in these kids lives have gone wrong and teachers can spot them.  After so many years of disappointment and stress, someting in these kids breaks.  Teachers are being asked to do more and more in this day and age and it is hard to run interference on the students' behalf when you're already overwhelmed with all you have to be.

    The media also must take responsibility in what is on TV, movies, song lyrics, etc.  School prayer has been removed and it has left a vacuum, and violence is filling up the vacuum.

     

    I have to disagree with you and WHO you think the troubled kids are.

    If you do your research there are many that come from very good homes and

    have had a good upbringing. Its not ONLY the troubled kids with dysfunctional parents.

     

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    October 12, 2007, 3:00 pm PDT

    A Canadian's Point of View

    I have been watching this violence in the school thing since the beginning - on the news, radio, internet, whenever it came up.  After Columbine (USA) and Tabor (Canada) they blamed everything from the trenchcoats, video games, not enough gun laws; everything they could think of except the child or the parents!  Just becauce it's a child, young man or young woman doesn't make them any less guilty.  We have to come to terms with the fact that our societies are breaking down - both here in Canada and in the United States.  We have let too many people with letters in front of and behind their names dictate how we think.  As parents and concerned citizens it is time for us to stand up and take responsibility for our and our children's actions, to educate ourselves with independent studies.  It is also time that we take responsibility for our health and our children's health - mental and physical, our education and theirs too.  We have stood aside and watched as the traditional family has disinegrated.  We need to push our leaders to encourage and support families.  Only when the traditional family is restored will we see a decrease in such crimes as public school / college shootings. 

     

    It only makes sense that the shootings are happening in colleges now because this generation is growing up and is the ultimate result of many misguided and wrong taught individuals who have "learned" from authority figures and so called professionals who are just pushing their own selfish desires and opinions.  Our children belong to us, not the state, province or government.  With that gift comes responsibility to protect them and guide them.  We need to educate ourselves well in all areas of life to do this effectively. 

     

    I personally could solve the problem of school shootings for everyone!  It's called homeschooling!  This is not just some backward, redneck idea.  It is a very effective and well researched method of teaching.  Some of Canada's and the United States' most well-known leaders and inventors and visionaries were homeschooled.  It is also, in my opintion, the best way to give our children the personal attention that is required to teach them the skills they need to deal with life, and all its problems and rewards.  Our schools do not do this effectively.  They can not!  There is not enough money in the world to do this effectively in an institutional setting.  We need to push our governments to support financially, and in any other ways necessary those families who are interested and willing to homeschool because for many this may not be feasible due to single parent homes or disabilities or even the necessity for two incomes.  In my opinion,  this is a very effective and rewarding way to spend our tax dollars.

     

    We need to stop making more laws that will do nothing to clear the situation - it was registered weapons that were used!!  A child who wants to commit bodily harm to others will use whatever means available - legal or illegal.  You cannot outlaw guns because the outlaws can still access them.  We need to teach and model respect for others, respect for ourselves.  We need to teach and model The Ten Commandments.  These should never have been removed from our schools and homes.

     

    Jason and LaDonna

     

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