Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

I think many are missing the message of why these terrible events are happening.  There are too many mitigating factors, but tone thing can be controlled and that is the conduct of students in schools.  The school is representative of an instituton and within those walls change can happen.  If a teacher or a student sees a bully--report him.  The faculty should suspend this child or teenager for a week and the second time for two weeks.  If a teacher or faculty member hears someone talking negatively about someone on a lower socioeconomical level or anything for that matter--suspend them just like the individual in the aforementioned sentence.  Here is an example many of you can relate too.  Do you have that friend or relative whose children only seem to be, well, let's say it bad?  But the minute their parents are gone, they seem more behaved and I say this with a caveat--if standards have been set.  I believe the schools have a responsibility and the parents as well.  If you have a weird kid--you know it. If you have brat--you know it.  So let's stop beating around the bush and just confront these issues head on and deal with our young people. 

Why doesn't anyone research into how many of these children are on psychological medications. Perhaps we'll find an interesting connection between the two.

There are some very good alternative products available with no harmful side effects.

You should look into finding a naturopathic doctor in your area to help you with your son's tendencies.

There is no excuse for the actions of humans regardless of age to take the life of another.  People these days have no skills for dealing with life, our governement is so corrupt, the economy so horrible that everyone has to work 40+ hours leaving children to deal with extreme stress at schools, teachers and administration stressing how important everything they do is, thier future... success, money money money and it is not something that kids are able to handle, then to go to an empty home, no support, well heck, what do you expect? People will continue to freak out. There is too much stress on us, our jobs are being exported to India and China, corporate greed, political corruption, lack of parents, are too much for everyone.  Why should we as a nation expect our children to behave when the adults, our leaders are doing worse? Dr. Phil, why not do a story on how we as a nation can ban together and get our country back, how we can stop supporting the rest of the world and start spending some of OUR money on us? Also, why not charge more for your commercials so you dont have to have so many?

In reply to these comments. I do not defend the crime statistics, having worked as a pro active Police Officer for all of my career I cared about this on an hourly basis for just over 12 years.  I cannot comment on the US figures for crime, don't you have a real problem in many of your cities with youth gun crime, drive by shootings?  We are seeing the emergence of more guns being around, they come in from Eastern Europe but at the moment we are containing the problem by using specialist firearms teams.

 

 

 

Your solution to train and supply teachers with guns scares the hell out of me, is the problem that bad? Why stop at the teachers why not arm all the students. I had no idea people thought in such a way in the US. It does not seem to me like a mainstream view. Put me down as a coward because I would not want to carry a gun around with me whilst I was at home, I cannot imagine living that way.

 

My main point is that if guns are not so readily available, there would be less incidents.

 

 

Yes it is tragic.  It is also tragic that the children in schools are like sitting ducks to an armed madman with with a gun. Wouldn't it have been nice if someone had a gun.  It would have SAVED lives.  In different hands the same weapon becomes life saving.  Murders and sociopaths should not have guns.  But if they are illegal- they will still have them.  Law abiding citizens will, as always, abide by the laws.  Criminals will, as always, break the law.

Ken Ho

Best wishes in dealing with your son's mental health. I'm sure it's not easy.

I think it's a shame we are not told of the whole medical background of these children who kill. Chemicals are so tempermental. Daily stresses and diet change the need for their medication. I think it would be hard for a doctor who gets a one hour snippit of a child's home life on an every so often basis, to make an accurrate prescription. If the psychiatrist bases their decision off of what a trouble person,(who admittedly has poor judgment skills,) how accurate can the doctors prescription be?
Ex: a friend of mine refuses to tell her sons psychiatrist of the troubles in the home life. Husband who cheated, now she's cheating with her son's sports coach & her neighborhood friend! They are/were both sloppy about not protecting their children from their affairs. Yet, it's expected for the children to keep hush hush. The son goes to school and acts out in class. He makes extremely offending religious comments at a school which is predominately of one religion and the mother just fluffs it off as, "he didn't mean it" - it got around to most of the families at this school. He suffered the consequences socially at school. Yet, his mother acted like he did nothing wrong. CAN YOU SEE HOW BAD PARENTING WILL MAKE A CHILD HAVE MENTAL ISSUES?!!!! She's too weak to admit her child's short comings. Instead of face the facts and strive for improvement and teach consequence, she basically screws with his mind. I talk of the mother only as the father just acts like a buddy and does not parent, at all. At times, he's more obnoxious than his son. The sons bad behaviour continues for months and then he's taken to a psychiatrist who is NEVER informed of the emotionally volatile home environment where the parents arent connected and don't "parent" their children. The mother refuses to look at her lack of parental responsibility and backs up her child, no matter what. Even when it's clearly out of line. Ex: Asking neighborhood kids of the same sex to touch his private parts and kiss. He's 9 or 10 years old.

The mother talks to the psychiatrist. Ha! There is no way she is honest enough to admit the mess of a life she lives - which would explain a world of things to the psychiatrist. Instead, she'd rather preserve her social facade and ego at the expense of her child. SHE'D RATHER MEDICATE HIM SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO ADMIT what a horrible person (let alone parent) she is to KNOWINGLY, medicate a child to protect her disgusting ways.

Sorry for the long post but I just had to share this example of how twisted and inaccurate things can be with psych meds. It's basically Russian Roulette unless all involved REALLY tell the truth.

Poor children everywhere. Lets cross our fingers for them. Also, parents are sometimes intimidated by the other adults who oversee their children on a daily/regular basis. To that I ask, " How many days have you monitored your child's 8 hour day away from you? How well do you know the environment your child lives in for most of their waking hours away from you?" Perhaps you will find out things you didn't know. Perhaps you will find out it's NOT your child who needs adjusting. Perhaps it's those around them and the environment they stay in all day.

DDirsek

Best wishes in dealing with your son's mental health. I'm sure it's not easy.

I think it's a shame we are not told of the whole medical background of these children who kill. Chemicals are so tempermental. Daily stresses and diet change the need for their medication. I think it would be hard for a doctor who gets a one hour snippit of a child's home life on an every so often basis, to make an accurrate prescription. If the psychiatrist bases their decision off of what a trouble person,(who admittedly has poor judgment skills,) how accurate can the doctors prescription be?
Ex: a friend of mine refuses to tell her sons psychiatrist of the troubles in the home life. Husband who cheated, now she's cheating with her son's sports coach & her neighborhood friend! They are/were both sloppy about not protecting their children from their affairs. Yet, it's expected for the children to keep hush hush. The son goes to school and acts out in class. He makes extremely offending religious comments at a school which is predominately of one religion and the mother just fluffs it off as, "he didn't mean it" - it got around to most of the families at this school. He suffered the consequences socially at school. Yet, his mother acted like he did nothing wrong. CAN YOU SEE HOW BAD PARENTING WILL MAKE A CHILD HAVE MENTAL ISSUES?!!!! She's too weak to admit her child's short comings. Instead of face the facts and strive for improvement and teach consequence, she basically screws with his mind. I talk of the mother only as the father just acts like a buddy and does not parent, at all. At times, he's more obnoxious than his son. The sons bad behaviour continues for months and then he's taken to a psychiatrist who is NEVER informed of the emotionally volatile home environment where the parents arent connected and don't "parent" their children. The mother refuses to look at her lack of parental responsibility and backs up her child, no matter what. Even when it's clearly out of line. Ex: Asking neighborhood kids of the same sex to touch his private parts and kiss. He's 9 or 10 years old.

The mother talks to the psychiatrist. Ha! There is no way she is honest enough to admit the mess of a life she lives - which would explain a world of things to the psychiatrist. Instead, she'd rather preserve her social facade and ego at the expense of her child. SHE'D RATHER MEDICATE HIM SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO ADMIT what a horrible person (let alone parent) she is to KNOWINGLY, medicate a child to protect her disgusting ways.

Sorry for the long post but I just had to share this example of how twisted and inaccurate things can be with psych meds. It's basically Russian Roulette unless all involved REALLY tell the truth.

Poor children everywhere. Lets cross our fingers for them. Also, parents are sometimes intimidated by the other adults who oversee their children on a daily/regular basis. To that I ask, " How many days have you monitored your child's 8 hour day away from you? How well do you know the environment your child lives in for most of their waking hours away from you?" Perhaps you will find out things you didn't know. Perhaps you will find out it's NOT your child who needs adjusting. Perhaps it's those around them and the environment they stay in all day.

Everyone should consider the anger & frustration a child goes thru if they are ridiculed at school & lack the ability to express their sadness and anger. How many of us shot out a simple "FINE" when we were little because we simply didn't want to or know how to gather the words to express our frustration or sadness. A child in school and people of all ages are able to sense (without words) when someone doesn't care for or respect them. Pile that normal everyday occurance on top of a child who has been adopted and perhaps been put through some horrible abuse prior to their adoption. Not every child comes with a full and honest background report. It's just not possible for each case. Sometimes its the horrible/lack of parenting as stated in a previous post. But sometimes, it's the other people in the child's life who have a dominant influence on a daily basis on the child. I wish every classroom could have a video camera feet where the parent/guardian could have access to monitor. I think it may solve a lot of gaps with the social troubles children may have. No disprespect to teachers out there but it's hard for parents to see the disruption a troubled child causes to the whole class AND it's hard for a parent to understand how much extra effort is required with a student who needs a different style of being educated. Keep in mind parents/guardians. Many, many teachers have an emergency credential which means they were able to acquire their status w/o going the long paths to become qualified. Part of becoming a fully qualified teacher is teaching skills. If you were to ask your children's teachers to name the four types of learners, could they? Do they make lesson plans to relay the information to each type of learner? Does their school administration give them the budget to do so? Do they even have time to do all that work? Does their school support the teaching staff by grouping them together to each make lesson plans and share them? Consider all of these situations............
Go ask a teacher if there is a time consuming task you can do for them that does NOT require their assistance. If everyone did one task and followed through by keeping to this commitment, perhaps there would be time in the classroom for the teacher to help the children who need to learn in a different way. The end result being the troubled child not feeling embarrassed and defeated every day they go to school. We all know how that builds up and comes out in a bad way in high school or college.

 

I, like a lot of Australians are never ceased to be amazed how everytime we hear a news report of yet another shooting in America.  It seems to me that owning a gun is like a fashion accessory and i you dont have one then you feel naked.

 

After we had our worst shooting massacre about 10 years ago our government cracked down on guns by making it harder for us to obtain one. We must prove as to why we need to have a gun and we must carry a gun license at all times when we have a gun in our possession.  Yes we still have our crimes that involve shooting, however we've only had one massacre and how many have you had?

 

Your government needs to take a strong stand on gun regulations and not be so weak and tell the NRA to shut up and to take a real hard good look at themselves when they make comments saying guns are safe.   I understand i am going to have people say i have no idea or have the right to make the comments i have, thats you're choice.

 

I feel sorry for all the family and friends of people who have died needlessly at the hands of guns