Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 14, 2007, 11:17 am PDT

What good does it do to tell?

I called the school to notify them about a teenager in the district who has killed the family pet, is a loner, dresses in black, has access to guns, has said that he regrets that he has to hurt people when he gets in a gang, but wants the acceptance, and has spray painted a picture on the side of his house (in red) a picture of a gun blowing someone's head off with  words like  "KILL" next to it. 

 

The school connected me to the school psychologist, (who did not even want the boy's name) and told me that I should call the police.  Their response was that, since no crime had been committed, they could not get involved.

 

Is there more that can be done?  

 
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October 14, 2007, 12:05 pm PDT

Very Smart: Cite your Sources!

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Where did you get this information? I checked on the internet, and the only survey I found was from 1996, 11 years ago
Intelligent people cite their sources, as a validity check!   I am impressed with demands for credibility!
 
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October 14, 2007, 12:31 pm PDT

HERE IT IS: THE TRUTH!

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I sure am glad I don't live in a country where the government can just decide one day to take away the citizens' rights. The NRA doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we can have guns here. It was given to us by The Bill  of Rights that are part of  our constitution. Those of us who live in a "right to carry " state must have our concealed weapons permit with us when we have our gun with us.

Guns are safe. It is the criminals who are unsafe. If you take the guns from law-abiding citizens, the criminals will still get their guns illegally.

The bottom line is that you people from Australia and Canada, or any other country, need to quit telling us what our government needs to do in the area of our gun ownership. Our elected official here know that the quickest way out of office is to start messing with our right to own guns.

 

 

SECOND AMENDMENT

 

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

 

 

Our nation did not want a king or dictator.  It wanted a federation of STATES, each of which to be made of people who could arm their STATE  militia, to prevent a too-powerful central government. 

 

NOTICE THE AMENDMENT BEGINS WITH  WORDS:  "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA...

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

 

Are today's gun owners (individuals) so delusional that they believe they can stave off invasions with their private gun collections? That thought is so absurd, it is laughable!  Fearful people believe in their fears.

 

Viewers can now see why the PROFIT-MAKING GUN MANUFACTURERS (and NRA) have been able to purchase legislative influence, over the years, that brings us to today's CRIMINAL KILLINGS.  How many of us citizens reasonably believe that a personal  AK-47 may be useful in our school district?

 

I know of no state militia or guard unit that has caused the killings in our schools.

 

 
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October 14, 2007, 1:09 pm PDT

Cite your resources!

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In a town near where I live, an elderly couple were awakened in the night by a noise. The husband got his gun that he kept loaded and in a bedside table(not stuck up in a closet with a stupid lock on it) and went to  investigate. He discovered that the person was in the hall bath. The elderly man told the intruder that he had a gun and to come out. The intruder told him not to shoot he would come out. The bathroom door opened and he came out with his hands behind him. Just as he was out of the bathroom he brought one hand out from behind him and cut the old man. Then the older fellow shot and killed the intruder. Of course he was not charged because it was evidently self-defense. The pollice had to take his gun, of course, and he went right out and bought another. He said he didn't know when he would need it again. This man who was exercising his God-given right to defend his home was a retired minister.

Like a lot of cities now, there is a lot of drug activity around where we live and home invasions are increasing. The incident I described is not unusual at all. There is news coverage of one or two a month. The intruder realizes he has made a big mistake right before the home owner pulls the trigger. And you know what? A lot of these home owners are elderly  folks like in the incident I related.

In a landmark case, the United States Supreme Court held that life is more precious than property.

It does not matter if you are old or involved with a church.   It does not matter. 

You cannot kill to "defend (his) home."  

 

The "spring-gun" case was the result of a farmer who rigged a gun to shoot trespassers in his abandoned farm property.    The Court properly held that killing, to protect property, is not permitted.

 

You fail to cite the newspaper/date that details the situation you descibe.  (If it is a true story.)

You state the old man was cut. (Who cut him and when? After the shooting?  To stage "self-defense"?)

 

So many television dramas teach people how to kill and get away with it. 

Crime and burglary are real problems.   Get your facts straight about the law and "self-defense."  

 

Self-defense is not protecting your home.   It is responding with reasonable force to an attacker.  

 
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October 14, 2007, 1:10 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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I know not ONE teacher/colleague who wants to arm teachers!

Those of us women shudder to think of a large male student overpowering us to get the gun!

 

We may be smaller in stature; but we are larger in intellect.  If a student has access to a gun, a gun may end up killing someone at school.  Period.      Ask police officers if they support arming everyone!

 

The gun-toting public seems to be people filled with fear and paranoia!   They have revenge fantasies!

The rest of us are not so fearful; we want to live in a world that does not seek/use violence as an answer.

Let me tell you something. The gun-toting public is not people who are filled with fear and paranoia. On the contrary, we are the ones who are not fearful because we know we can take care of ourselves and do not have to wait on the police to come and save us. We do not have revenge fantasies. The world you want to live in without violence is in La La Land.

And if you arm the teachers, no one but the teachers will have to know. You would be trained to use it in a practical situation and you wouldn't be some poor shuddering female. I am a female and I feel for you. You are the one living in fear. And you are wrong about the police. My husband shoots practical shooting matches with the police in our area.  They would much rather come to a situation that was stopped by an armed teacher than to come and start counting bodies.

 

 
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October 14, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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It was apparent to me that despite all the analyzing as to "how do we prevent this from happening?" no one really got to the HEART of the matter of the real reason it happened in the FIRST place-it happened because of the feelings of powerlessness that the shooter felt when being bullied!!!. The reason the shooter did what he did was because he wanted to exercise power (get revenge) over the people who bullied him. He wanted them to feel the same fear and powerlessness that he felt while being bullied by them-and he succeeded in that end, didn't he?. Revenge is a very common theme, how could you miss that?

 

Everyone seems to want to excuse the hateful meanspiritedness of the bullies and then feel sorry for themselves as if they were completely innocent when it was the bullies who got the ball rolling in the first place.

First of all, my condolences to all the families.

 

Second, you are so right on the money! If people like Tyler Peterson weren't being publicly riducled, and/or being bullied, then none of this would have happened. People like him that are being bullied constantly, etc., will consider killing someone. Therefore, I feel sorry for him & everyone else who is like him as well. Remember, what goes around, comes around.

 
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October 14, 2007, 1:55 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Dear Dr. Phil viewers:

 

I watched the Dr. Phil show in horror as I learned about these American school shootings. When the survivors of  Collumbine were interviewed by Dr. Phil, they all said that they remember the incident anytime they see another school shooting in the news.

 

Well, these events trigger my own sensibilities for another reason. Of my total time being alive on God's earth, my high school years were by far the toughest. These school shootings remind me of the darkest period of my life.

 

What prevented me from committing a rampage killing like the one Tyler Peterson did  was that I had an angel in my life at the time. Her name was Orna. She reached out to me when nobody else gave a damn.

Her profound influence connected with my sense of loniliness and desperation. If it weren't for Orna, I might have committed the same sort of rampage killing that Tyler Peterson did.

 

I like to take the gifts that Orna gave me and pay it forward. I am now a Christian with a caring heart and strong morals. I like to spread love whenever I can. Perhaps, such a subtle act of kindness can change someone's day.

 

Also, the United States of America isn't the only country where school shootings occur. In 1989, a man stormed into a francophone engineering school and slaughtered plenty of innocent women. Just last year, a gunman bombarded Dawson College in Montreal and killed this beautiful woman who had high aspirations in life. I get sad whenever I think about these incidents, such as now.

 

Just last week, I made a donation to Canada's Coalition for Gun Control so that we can save lives instead of wasting them. I resent organizations such as the N.R.A. who believe it's peoples' God given right to own guns. What they don't consider is that owning a gun is a privlidge, just like driving a car. I'd like to see countries such as Canada and the United States take greater measures of taking guns away from residential communities. My values for pro-gun control rapidly increased when Ottawa sportscaster Brian Smith was shot at a parking of his job more than ten years ago. While it may be possible to murder other people by other means, taking guns away from future offenders will unquestionably save more lives.

 

Well, I'll leave it at that. My heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims of all sorts of gun violence. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank my friend Orna again for the profound impact that she had on my life. Thanks to her, I can now have be a positive influence in the lives of other lonely and depressed people.

 

And once again, society must get pro-active in taking guns away from people who aren't supposed to have them.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Fred T.

 

From Kingston, Ontario, Canada

I am truly glad that you were able to turn your life around with the help of your guardian angel.

But don't hold resentment against an organization like the NRA because you are completely wrong. The right to bear arms is a right given to us by our constitution under the Bill of Rights. Get it? Bill of Rights.

And since you are now a Christian, you cannot say that we don't have a God given right to defend ourselves.Examples: Joel 3 verse 10:Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears.     Luke 11 verse 21: When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace.

Luke 22 verse 36: Then said he unto them, But now he that hath a purse, let him take it and likewise his scriop: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

We are not supposed to just sit back and wait until the bad guys come and say to them, "I am a good person. Please leave me alone".

You can never take away guns from people who aren't suppose to have them. Criminals will always be able to get a gun. Taking guns away from honest citzens will not cause the murder rate to drop. The criminals will still kill each other and innocent people with their illegal guns.

 

 

 
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October 14, 2007, 2:54 pm PDT

AMEN!

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I sure am glad I don't live in a country where the government can just decide one day to take away the citizens' rights. The NRA doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we can have guns here. It was given to us by The Bill  of Rights that are part of  our constitution. Those of us who live in a "right to carry " state must have our concealed weapons permit with us when we have our gun with us.

Guns are safe. It is the criminals who are unsafe. If you take the guns from law-abiding citizens, the criminals will still get their guns illegally.

The bottom line is that you people from Australia and Canada, or any other country, need to quit telling us what our government needs to do in the area of our gun ownership. Our elected official here know that the quickest way out of office is to start messing with our right to own guns.

It's not the guns we have to worry about! It's the person behind the gun that kills! Until we can find a way to get to these people BEFORE they kill, someone, some where will ALWAYS blame the NRA! We need start taking responsibility for OUR actions not looking for excuses or a scape goat!!
 
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October 14, 2007, 3:04 pm PDT

My thoughts and Prayers

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I  live in Crandon,and I am 39  years old,and I have been living here since I was 3 years old. I know all of the families involved in this tragedy,and I will tell you this,we have come together as a community.I was so worried that this great community would go after the shooters family for what HE did,but thank God, no has blamed his parents.We as a community,has come together as ONE,and I am so thankful for that. I can tell you that we had a candelight vigil on Wed. evening,and Tyler was included in the vigil,and I was so thankful.This community is mourning the loss of 7 of our young adults,and it is has been a very rough week to say the least. The lines for the viewings are unbeleivable,having to wait at least 2 and half hours to get to the families,and it takes at least 5 hours to get everyone through.I do have to say, I am very impressed with my community,as I was afraid we would have some of our members try to take advantage of the tv crews and try to get into the limelight,but so far,most have declined,and I am so proud of my community for not giving into the media. This community is suffering,and we don't need someone going on tv and adding "fuel to the fire". The only ones who know what really happened are sadly the victims. There have been a lot of speculations,and that is what they are speculations,and for someone to go in front of a tv reporter and say what they have "heard"would be very wrong on so many levels. I have seen many other communities go through similiar situations as we are,and you see alot of the citizens trying to tell you what happened,when you know deep down,that 99% of it is speculation,and that they are only doing it to get on tv,and I can proudly say that Crandon has basically "shut out" the media. Yes, I know a lot of you want to hear from the victims families,but you have to remember, this is a small town,and they just truly want to mourn "alone". I hope that doesn't offend anyone,but if you live in a small community,you will understand.

    This shooting did not take place in our school,it was at the home of one of the victims,and yes it did include students,but it had nothing to do with what happened at the other shootings that Dr. Phil was talking about. This wasn't about a student who was upset because he was being bullied by other students or by his teachers. I feel like we are being included what happened in PA and OH,but it isn't even close. I am not going to go into details,but I don't think we should be included as a "school shooting". It is great that Dr. Phil did offer his help,as some will need it,but I feel the story shouldn't have been included in the description of "school shootings". Our school system is great,and I have never felt unsafe when I was student,nor do I feel my own two children are unsafe at our school. My children understand that this did not happen at the school,and that our school is safe for them to attend.

 

   Again, please remember the victims

 

A proud Crandon citizen.

Are not only with those families that have lossed a loved one from this horrific ordeal, but to the entire community!

I can't beleive how the media literally JUMPS on these stories and then crams them down our throats on a DAILY basis. They distort any truth they may have had, and in a preverse way, glorify it. I lost my teenage daughter to a car accident. I have had first hand experience how the media works. Since then, I don't watch much news. I can't beleive half of what they say and the other half is all the SO sad. Anytime I do watch the news it's always about murder, people dieing, so on and so on. Then they wonder why there is so much negativity in the world! You try to get something positive put on their show.... Won't happen because they will tell you that it won't draw enough attention. NOW THAT IS SAD! The media needs to have some rules and regulations put into place for stories like this. I find it sickening that they make money off other people's tragedies!

 
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October 14, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

School Shootings

I realize this show was only an hour long and there was a lot of information to cover, however, I was irritated at the constant interruptions (sorry Dr. Phil) when it was important to hear what the guests had to say.  The incident in Crandon was isolated I think and not really relevant to high school shootings.  Kids in school don't think about the consequences of teasing and bullying and yet we see the results more and more.  Why can't someone make a documentary about the aftermath of school shootings and everything that comes from it - the end of dreams, devastated lives, grief, it goes on and on. They should show this documentary in every middle school in America.  Everyone just wants to fit in and be accepted, especially teens, and if someone is a little bit different than the norm, kids need to know and understand what can happen. 
 

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