Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 11:05 am PDT

RIGHT ON!!!!

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There is no end to this and there can be no end to senseless killings like this in the United States in our present form of government. As long as Americans continue to operate in the social structures we have created without recognizing our need for flexibility and serious changes in what we do and do not allow for, sad events like this will continue.

 

I don't care what the NRA says about incidents like this, a gun killed those people.

 

We either take them away or  create laws that enable citizens to better defend themselves.

 

As long as there is hate, envy, jealousy, disrespect, greed and avarice in the world there will be no end to this.

 

The very best screening for law enforcement officers will not make enough differance as we have seen.

 

The path down this terrible road starts with, disrespect,  for self first, than others.

 

If your wondering why....and how....something like this can happen in 'our' nice little town...it all started the very moment a human being thought less of themselves than they had ought to of.

 

We should have learned self-respect early in life but too often we have parents where one or more of them have also come to a place to where they too, stopped respecting themselves, their name, their home and values until all they had ever hoped for and placed so much value in...is gone.

 

Whole value systems are based in...1.Love 2. Work, when one of those is out of balance and threatens our well being our entire value system is threatened and that is where a good basis in self-respect is called for and necessary for our recovery.

 

When we place no more value on ourselves and are taken with hopelessness it is than we have stopped respecting both ourselves and others.

 

When this happens we open the door to an attitude of 'our own needs first' and than we no longer care about the needs of others, be they physical or spirtual needs...or whatever is that gives our neighbors the balance they need in their own lives and values.

 

The spiral downward continues when we are so busy trying to keep the essentials for our own basic survival intact and operational, the need for balance in our love (relationships) and work (life purpose), that we so easily take our eyes off others that we share and trade with and when we do that, when we, through our actions or inactions, get so busy with ourselves it is than say to others with our body language and our tone of voice, you do not count, you are not a part of my life mission and value system and you provide nothing to my personal well being or the well being of my family, when we devalue others like that, we set the stage for retaliation and violence in our communities.

 

When we are so busy looking for the forest and can't see the trees right in front of us we have to pause and reflect and ask ourselves........are we too busy ?......what are we missing here ?.....and why ?

 

What part did I or we play in this tragedy ?

 

Just because I didn't pull the trigger and it's not my fault doesn't mean that perhaps there was something I could have done to prevent this.

 

Just because I refuse to accept guilt for being so selfish and focused on only my own family and it's needs doesn't mean I am no less liable for my actions or inactions when travesty falls upon another family nearby.

 

Where is the dividing line between being self sufficent and minding my own business and being my brother's keeper ?

 

We live in the social structures we create. We are liable for what we allow and do not allow for within them.

 

We all play a role in our communities and social structures whether we like those roles or not.

 
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October 12, 2007, 11:10 am PDT

It's not a matter of discipline but...

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I am a 25 year old woman. I can't imagine taking someone else's life. I wonder if these people that go on killing sprees have ever had any rules to guide them or parents that gave them discipline? Why is this continuing to happen? How and why are they slipping through the system? Isn't there a way to see some warning signs before any more lives are destroyed? I am so sorry for all the families involved, including the shooter's.  I hope they will all find some peace.

To: Hojo81  -  "I wonder if these people that go on killing sprees have ever had any rules..." 

 

The thing is this.  Whether or not an individual grew up in a loving, structured, disciplined environment or not is not the point.  The point is, when you have someone who (9x's out of ten) is a male, gets an authoritative position such as law enforcement, gets an attitude that he "has a position to uphold in the community of high regard" and then finds out that the female he's "more or less marked as his own" goes against him in some fashion,  you have a bombshell waiting to go off.  Apparently, when he went in there, he saw her and literally snapped, went off on her and blacked out like  a lot of guys do when they're enraged.  I know,  I'm  married to one.  He has a high pressure job and even has gone off at work a couple of times.  They need him so they make excuses for him but I know what he's capable of.  Getting back to this situation - Also, when these guys do go off, they get into a "mode of operandi" that pushes the into "live my way or die trying" and that's exactly what he did.  His is actually a textbook case of rage and anger against "his"  woman. My spouse did it to his ex.  I've also studied Psychology for a few years. With today's stress levels,  there unfortuately will be many more like this.  It won't stop anytime soon, sadly.

And as well,  MY prayers and thoughts indeed do go out to these saddened families. Just know that these victims are now their angels watching over them.

Mrs. T.

Va.

 
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October 12, 2007, 11:16 am PDT

wow going on with our kids

their so much hate......... in the world when i as growing up yea we gotin fights but we use our fist and our mind.s we have to much violence and not enough love in the world................ its sad i hope kids relize that grabing a gun is not the answer....................  its the end to more problems............................  we need to reach out  to our youth and let them know that they are loved.....................
 
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October 12, 2007, 11:39 am PDT

in my Prayers

I ,too am from Wisconsin , my heart felt prayers  go out to all the families of this terrible tragedy. I dont want to step on any toes here but my mom  and I were talking and we both agreed that 20 years old in law enforcement is young and a psychological testing should have done, like I said this is just our oppinion.

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 11:41 am PDT

You may not agree with me and that is alright, but assault weapons...give me a break

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I've got news for you. Dr. Phil can not take anybody's gun from them. The second amendment to the constitution gives the right to have a gun to anyone who wants to take advantage of it. And because

you have this unbalanced hate of an inantimate object does not give you or anyone else the right to decide that gun owners have to give up their guns.

And because of your useless hate for guns you denied your sons the fun of playing cowboys and indians and cops and robbers and all the other games that kids played during that time. So their grandmother bought them toy guns. The operative word here is "toy". Kids would play with these toys and use their imagination and have a great time indoors and outside. My brothers and I did. You didn't even want them to pick up a stick that resembled a gun.  There are more things than a stick that could cause a child to lose an eye.  Bravo to you. You denied your children fun.

When I was being abused, I was 17 miles from the closest town, and 2 1/2 mi from a highway.  This man owned guns.  I have l always said that I deserved what our Constitution says "the right of the pursuit of happiness".  My children, who you so carelessly said I denied them fun, were exposed to this man.  Sure I got myself into the mess, but it was in the middle of a desert.  It was long before shelters were even thought of.  So had my children "played" with guns, what if they had tried to stop this dangerous man?  If we are so careless to let them play war games or whatever, @ what price are we paying?  When I was a girl there wasn't this problem.  I always wonder why.

 

I will hate guns for as long as  I live.  Amend the Constitution to read "Protect our children at any cost"

 
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October 12, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

shooting

We give our prayers to all the familys in crandon that lost somone that includes the shooters but i would like to make somthing clear GUNS have nothing to do with this ANGER was the killer here people kill people kill people !!!! In madison wi. you can not sell handguns !! !! Yet  there was a 60% rise in murder this year and more for rape robbery and breakins why ??? I HOPE somthing of good come of this and it looks like there will so far he had no biz being a cop at 20 he was just a kid himself a town good ol boy the kids had a lot to do with it themselves im sure beer and liq.were a factor not that they deserved to die for it but words were exchanged and he blew a fuse now they have deal with funnrals and such its to bad but its not GUNS IN ANY WAY OR FORM!!!!
 
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October 12, 2007, 11:43 am PDT

Guns are only part of the problem

To those who say guns aren't the problem, I say you're wrong. But as others here have pointed out, it's a problem with our society. From the Crandon shooting to the School Shooting and the Principles Death, to the Asian Deer Hunter (all in Wisconsin), when people are different, when people have problems with others, or it's the individual themselves who are troubled, their answer far too often is to grab a gun and start shooting.

Until we begin to respect individuals, their right to be different, and begin to sincerely attempt to help those who are troubled, instead of ridiculing them (school bullies) shootings like this will probably only increase.

Wisconsin certainly doesn't have a lock on bigotry or the harassing people, but until these issues are truly addressed and the problems solved, I'm afraid we can only look forward to more shootings.

In some cases I fear that the issue is not being able to handle the authority given to the individual. Which I believe to be part of the problem in the Crandon Shooting. Just how many Police Officers are involved in events like this? On a smaller scale of course, a restraining order from his wife gone wrong perhaps? But the misuse of Power or Authority could be part of the problem as well. And I do believe there are far more of these events than we hear about. Crandon was only on a larger scale so it made the news.

But in the end, until we fix these other issues, it is the availability and society's total acceptance of guns, and guns as the solution, that IS the problem.

 
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October 12, 2007, 11:48 am PDT

Homecoming shooting

Quote From: millergirl10

We are desinging  schools without lockers.We have a police force training as I write for these matters.We also have k-nine dogs at several schools as the children enter.I wonder if they are trained for such a incident as this that happened.It happened here i Oklahoma and God knows we were shocked.I think the day is near when the metal detectors will be in force in all schoold to check back packs, etc:

God help these families! I just can't imagine this happening today. My husband at a very young age went  rabbit hunting on his way to & from school & left his gun in the cloak room. Just imigane such a thing today.When Americans decieded to leave God out of schools, makes me wonder if this didn't cntribute to some of this.

God Bless.

Peggy

I, too, live in Oklahoma.  I am not sure what having schools without lockers will do.  I do not think the people that did these things kept their weapons in lockers.  I may be wrong, if so please correct me.  So I don't think LOCKERS are the problem.  The boy who did the school shooting here in Oklahoma came from home, did he not? 
 
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October 12, 2007, 11:48 am PDT

Law Enforcement Practices

Dear Dr Phil,

 

I came to this country from Britain fifteen years ago, have lived in California for the past three and a half years.

This event highlights the concerns I have long had regarding the quality of law enforcement in this country.

Many high ranking officers in Britain believe a country gets the police force it deserves, meaning we have to raise the bar. Not just in hiring law enforcement but in ourselves. People need to hold themselves, and others to higher standards.

When I came here, I, even as a law abiding citizen, was terrified of the police. I did not go anywhere other than work by myself. I put 5,000 miles in my car in a two year period.  I overcame this fear in an interesting way....head on! Clearly there needs to be more accountability and cooperation across the board: parents, teachers, neighbours, law enforcement should all be working together to build communities!  Yet people seem to be consumed with a 'me, myself, I' attitude! No one wants to take responsibility for anything.

Of course, people who otherwise may get involved live in fear of being sued.......another bad situation.

Apologies if this rambles, I have very passionate feelings and beliefs about these subjects.  

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 11:55 am PDT

Shooting

Quote From: judydavek

Killing of others is so needless. Our hearts go out to all that have had loved ones killed. Our son was murdered in 1992. By one of his friends, over money. People blame guns, well it's not guns. It is sick people. If it's not a gun it would be something else. My son was tortured & killed. He was missing for 3 yrs. If it wasn't for a very special police officer of the El Monte, Ca. police force. I never would have been able to put my son to rest. Lt. Raneer  promised me he would find my son & bring him home to me. And he did just that.  This man being a police officer had nothing to do with what he did. Neither did his family.

I feel if someone feels the need to kill, just kill yourself. Why hurt others because your mind is sick. The world is getting sicker all the time. I hate the thougfht of the world that my grandkids are growing up to be apart of.  I do believe if parents spent more time giving there kids love instead of material things, the world would improve. Wanting your kids to have a better life then you did is great. Start with Love & spending time together.. That's what every kid needs.

I am deeply saddened by your post.  I am so sorry your son is dead.  And I am so very sorry he had to die is such s horrific manner.  May you be comforted by the fact you had him brought home to you.  So many others are not that fortunate to have the closure needed.  How do you get over something so terrible.  Bless you and your family.
 

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