Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 3:00 pm PDT

NSSC Nova Scotia

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Hi

         My child is in the first year of college at the NSSC Nova Scotia. Lately a student has been screaming obsenities and threatening to kill other students inside the college and during classes in front of teachers and nothing is being said or done. My child, worried, wrote a letter saying simply that they felt it was not a safe learning environment, and could someone please help. Well the teacher copied and e-mailed it to the student making the threats, now my child is afraid of what might happen when they return to school on Monday. Please if you have any advice for us it would be very much appreciated. Thanks

I am not an expert, but if I were your child I would leave immediately and transfer to another school. Sounds extrememe, but what the other student is/was doing is extreme also.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:09 pm PDT

Give me a Break, Please!!!!

   As I watched the Dr. Phil show today, there was alot of talk about school shootings and can we predict it and prevent it.  I believe we can but not with the answers from the so-called experts on today's show.  Counselors and teachers in schools today don't really care about the students.  The teachers and counselors are usually out the school doors before the students have a chance to get on the bus at the end of the school day.  They are not there to assist and help the students.

   There needs to be full time counselors, but not counseling about academics, but on how students are doing and things the school can do to assist them.  As a retired Army veteran, we could do both, counsel on professional and personal.  That can not be done by the counselors in school today.  They spend too much time watching the clock and not enough time trying to know their students and how to help them.

   I raised two children alone as I served in the Army.  I tried to work with my children's school on such issues as homework and how to prevent them from falling academically before it was too late.  Year after year, it was the same story, my child would fall behind even though I was be in constant communication with the teacher and counselor. 

   Dr Phil, those so-called experts on your show had some ideas, but nothing that will be institutionalized anytime soon, probably never.  Put real counselors in the school, not clock watchers and you will see real results.  Parents need to be involved and quit whinning about stupid things like dodge ball in school.  I will have a teaching degree soon and I plan to make a difference.

 

Robert

 
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October 12, 2007, 3:11 pm PDT

You are missing the real issue on this topic

I work in a large suburban high school in the administration who deal with students and their behavior.  The real issue here is not identifying students who may have the potential to commit this violence, its what rights the school does not have in requiring the parents to get their student mental health assistance, having enough "evidence" if you will to convince local police departments to check a student's residence out.  Unless we have a student who comes right out and says I will shoot, etc...  our hands are often tied.  Schools are not equipped with mental health professionals and can not force parent to become parents.  I have worked in schools prior to Columbine and of course after, teachers and students have become much better at reporting these issues but the school do not, I repeat, do not have control of dealing with the issues at their core.  Your guest, the criminal profiler, was the only one who got it.  These kids are raised this way, often grow up in situations where they have been angry for a real long time and their parents are absent emotionally or are in complete denial.  The parents have this choice, but all the focus seems to come back on the school to do something.   we are and we do each and every day.  There have been days where I am scared to go to school because we have not been able to get a student the help he or she so desperately needs for lack of mental health services or follow through from parents.  The other part of this equation that is not being looked at is gaining access to students' online journals, like myspace and facebook. The type of things that are communicated on here are astounding.  Parents aren't monitoring this!  As school administrators we do not have access to this information unless we happen to stumble upon it.  Any law that could be enacted that would help is to be able to have access to these journals and be able to hold parents accountable for having to get their students psychologically evaluated by qualified mental health professionals when the school makes the case that there is a concern.  The characteristics that easily come out to educational professionals who do this work on a daily basis is arrogance, major change in friends or relationships, humiliation in front of peers, a sense of entitelment, disengaged parents, truancy from school, etc... I could go on and on but I think the next step for the Dr. Phil show is to ask people in the schools who actually deal with this day in and ay out.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and hope that you can bring enough attention to this matter that no one really wants to get at the real, the real, issues here.  Only then will we not have to focus on the grieving families, what about educating parents to get involved in their kids lives, know what they have in their rooms, on their internet journal pages, etc...  As you can tell I am very passionate on this subject.  Its because of this issue that my husband has begged me to get out of this work. 
 

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October 12, 2007, 3:12 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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It seems to me that we are missing the real problem concerning violence in the schools.  I feel the violence began when prayer was taken out of the schools.  And then the ten commandments and bible were removered.  Even on your show of October 12, 2007, Dr. Phil, not one word was mentioned concerning taking God out of the schools. 
ohmygawd, not again.   What has your personal belief have to do anything?  Yes, it may comfort you and I totally respect you for your beliefs, but why must they forced on all of us?   I don't see your god doing anything to help the situation before or during it happens.  It does bring comfort to those that believe, that's wonderful but other than that ....
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:13 pm PDT

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Why are you NOT talking about the availability of guns in this country????  Look at Canada, and other countries that have stricter gun control laws, and see how LOW their gun crimes/murders are....

 

Why not take on the NRA and get those guns off the street....  They arrested a mother for crissakes, who had provided the guns to her SON, who was planning an assault on his school....

 

There's something really really wrong with our love of guns in this country......

 

Im a canadian citizen, sadly we have shootings as well. If someone really wants to get a gun, they know how to get one. Our gun laws are not stict enough and the punishments for threatening/attempting murder/committing murder are not severe enough. Our murder rates from a gun maybe be lower than some countries, guns other methods are used to commit crimes/attacks.

 

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm

 

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 3:14 pm PDT

Homecoming Shooting

I watched your program covering the recent shootings that have taken place and on your program you had a "profiler" who I could not have agreed with more.  She hit the nail on the head (several times I might add) and I believe you know this, however, I watched you so casually glide by what she had to say when you should have shouted from the top of your voice....you got that right!!  I agree with her that we live in a society that promotes violence at every turn, on television, radio, movies and video games.  Tho you shifted over this point so quickly and did not elaborate on these facts more, I found that you did stylize your questions and comments for more drama and entertainment value, or maybe time was an issue.  Terrible!  How could you? Time is not what we have!  And when you asked the question "should we give the schools the rights to medical records" I about fell out of my chair!  As if that would come close to being a remedy.  Like she said, the behavior of children is so bad in our schools and the bar is so low, no one can tell anymore who is worse than another.  Have you been to a school lately? If not, come on down to Conroe, Texas and visit our high school!  Teachers and administrators are there to teach curriculum not be psychologists!  Why would you even suggest to place more burden on them when they are having enough troubles as it is!  Do you know what you are suggesting!!  No!  Give parents the right to train up their children properly without having to fight that which circumvents their instruction. Bandaids are not what is needed.  To find a cure you must go to the source of the injury and your profiler said it not once but several times.  In order to change the way our children think, society (and the FCC I will add) have got to be held to the fire for what is allowed that should not be allowed.   Parents are at war daily fighting for the minds of their own children.  Dad says "thou shalt not kill" and then his son is bombarded with nothing but...kill on tv, radio, movies and games.  It's everywhere.  Why can't you say that?  Are you afraid it might offend someone in the minority of the masses.  I for one would not be offended nor do  I believe the majority of the masses would disagree with me, or you if you said it!  What we are trying to do here is save our children, not ratings!  I am 47 years old and I recall the mean things said to me all througout my school years, I was treated cruelly by my peers and I did not have parents that encouraged me in any way yet I never, ever had a thought of killing anyone.  But I can tell you this much, if I had had to grow up NOW AS OPPOSED TO THEN, it might have been different. My father used to beat me, as did my mother, and you know what, when I turned on the TV I saw "Father Knows Best" and "Leave it to Beaver" and I knew that the messages conveyed in those shows were right and that my parents had the problem and even at that young age and without a whole lot of love and caring, I still knew what was right!  Dr. Phil, you have been given a great blessing.  A medium with which to touch the masses with the TRUTH.  God honors truth always...don't hesitate, nor disregard...time is running out and we are fighting a losing cause otherwise.  Use what God has provided you to further what is right and true and good for the sake of our children.  Speak out against that which is killing our children...I will not be offended!

 
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October 12, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

What about gun control

 It's hard to believe that there was a whole show devoted to violence in our schools and how to prevent it, and gun control was never mentioned.  As Dr. Phil would say "Let's get real."
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

Psychotic drugs

These children that have been accused of doing the unthinkable are being victimized.

Thikn of the drugs that being prescribed to them from the Dr's that say this drug will help alleviate their psychotic notions.

Look at the side effects of these drugs.

Are they really helping to alleviate the problem?

I don't think so.

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

shootings affect everyone

I have taught school for 30 years. I cannot tell you the number of times parents have dismissed their child' s behavior as ok or normal. even to the point of blaming the teacher. One of my student killed himself, others became criminals. I was told to mind my business and just teach the class. Parents please listen with an open heart and mind  to teachers. Stay involved know what is going on
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

My heart goes out to everyone involved in the recent shootings.  It upset me to hear that the parents are being blamed.  Not all parents are unaware of problems their child may have.  My son was diagnosed with mental illness 11 years ago.  I have had him to every doctor, therapist, psychiatrist, in home support, case managers.  He has been hospitalized 5 times in the last 6 years and in a staff secured residential facility twice with in the last 4 years.  The governor of my state has cut so much money from mental health, that when the money runs out guess what the state boots them out of the program.  Now my son is attending a public school after being institutionalized for so long, and is having a hard time adjusting, angry, hates god and hates his life.  Talking to the school is a waste of time, because they DON'T LISTEN and look at me like I have three heads.  And why, because if they cant provide my son with the services he needs, they have to either provided them or send him out to a day treatment program, and that cost money out of the schools budget.  It is all about the money.  How do you make people listen to you, when you know in your gut that something sometime could happen?  The answer to the doctors are keep giving these kids more drugs.  And then as a society we wonder why there are so many drug addicts, and all these medications which have not been approved for children under 18 how do we know what affect they have on their thinking and behavior?
 

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