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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 3:38 pm PDT

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Quote From: lorrp216

Why are you NOT talking about the availability of guns in this country????  Look at Canada, and other countries that have stricter gun control laws, and see how LOW their gun crimes/murders are....

 

Why not take on the NRA and get those guns off the street....  They arrested a mother for crissakes, who had provided the guns to her SON, who was planning an assault on his school....

 

There's something really really wrong with our love of guns in this country......

 

Countries that have strict gun control laws and the ones who have taken the guns from their citizens have higher rates of violent crime than we do in the US. The criminals still have guns and the unarmed citizens are unable to protect themselves. Sure that mother should have been arrested. But leave the NRA out of it. And leave my guns out of it. There is nothing wrong with the love of guns in this country. We are exercising our rtights to defend our homes and our families. You have the right to speak your mind and I have the right to kill some SOB that makes the mistake of trying to break into my home. That is what makes our country great.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:38 pm PDT

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   As I watched the Dr. Phil show today, there was alot of talk about school shootings and can we predict it and prevent it.  I believe we can but not with the answers from the so-called experts on today's show.  Counselors and teachers in schools today don't really care about the students.  The teachers and counselors are usually out the school doors before the students have a chance to get on the bus at the end of the school day.  They are not there to assist and help the students.

   There needs to be full time counselors, but not counseling about academics, but on how students are doing and things the school can do to assist them.  As a retired Army veteran, we could do both, counsel on professional and personal.  That can not be done by the counselors in school today.  They spend too much time watching the clock and not enough time trying to know their students and how to help them.

   I raised two children alone as I served in the Army.  I tried to work with my children's school on such issues as homework and how to prevent them from falling academically before it was too late.  Year after year, it was the same story, my child would fall behind even though I was be in constant communication with the teacher and counselor. 

   Dr Phil, those so-called experts on your show had some ideas, but nothing that will be institutionalized anytime soon, probably never.  Put real counselors in the school, not clock watchers and you will see real results.  Parents need to be involved and quit whinning about stupid things like dodge ball in school.  I will have a teaching degree soon and I plan to make a difference.

 

Robert

Wow - I am a school principal and I can't believe you can make such a generalization about teachers and counselors.  You will never meet a more caring group of individuals than the teachers and counselors at my school.  They go out of their way to support and help their students.  I hope you do become a teacher, and that when you do, you will come to understand that, for the majority of those involved, it is a labor of love.  It is, for the most part, a thankless profession.  But nothing makes it more worthwhile than the feeling you get when you know you have helped a child.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:39 pm PDT

I'm saddened by this

 
    I can't believe that Dr. Phil suggested that we open medical records of students to a school. Medical records should be private and confidential. If every student who recieved psychological help had their record made available to the school systems I highly doubt the ones how need help would try to get it.
    I recently graduated from high school. At times I was a little afraid tha some one would walk into my school and do something horrendous. Luckily I made it my four years without such an event. From what the "experts" were saying basically every person I know, including myself, should have been turned in. Why turn me in, although I'm a female, I hated a lot of things in my high school years. Many of my friends were depressed, but come on most teens go through depression now days because of all the pressure that is put on them. I don't think the "warning signs" are as cut and dry as the show portrayed it today.
    What can we do? I think that PARENTS that's right PARENTS not the school system should get to know their kids. Parents should stop being best friends and be parents. Kids already have a lot of friends, at school, but they only have two (in a necular family) parents. Parents should know where their kids are, what they're doing, who their friends are, and so on. Although kids hate rules and they'll yell and scream and get mad about rules parents should definitely set rules like curfews and so forth. I feel like teens that have parents involved in their lives are more likely to 'make it' in society.
    Bless You All and Pray for the Children
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

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I have to disagree with you and WHO you think the troubled kids are.

If you do your research there are many that come from very good homes and

have had a good upbringing. Its not ONLY the troubled kids with dysfunctional parents.

I have to agree with reply.  Troubled kids come from all types of homes, religous and otherwise.  I believe it is a misconception to think there is a "profile"  for these shooters.  just as the two cases today have very different "profiles".  I do however, believe that cruelty and harrassment in school is one of the major issues with these children.  This has been going on for generations and with todays lack of discipline and technology (my space etc) the extent of the bullying is outrageous.  I feel for the teachers ,who are not allowed to discipline for fear of a law suit.  We need to get back to basics.  Proper dress and behavior need to be returned to the class.  most of all I would like to see bullying addressed from the first day of Kindergarten.  We need to teach our children compassion!  I do feel some of this shootings are a last resort of a tormented child who has chosen murder suicide as opposed to just suicide.  He chooses to eliminate his tormenters.  Sometimes a childs only trouble is at school.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:44 pm PDT

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ohmygawd, not again.   What has your personal belief have to do anything?  Yes, it may comfort you and I totally respect you for your beliefs, but why must they forced on all of us?   I don't see your god doing anything to help the situation before or during it happens.  It does bring comfort to those that believe, that's wonderful but other than that ....
 Ditto ! ! ! !
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:45 pm PDT

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These children that have been accused of doing the unthinkable are being victimized.

Thikn of the drugs that being prescribed to them from the Dr's that say this drug will help alleviate their psychotic notions.

Look at the side effects of these drugs.

Are they really helping to alleviate the problem?

I don't think so.

 

you are so right, my son has been on so many of these medications and each one has differnet side affects and alters his personality.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:45 pm PDT

big surprise

 Children learn from adults;

When 9/11 occurred, as a nation we had the option to forgive yet we chose to retaliate.
What could the muslim world have said if we chose the former?

The nation that forgets God is doomed already. Shove God in the corner some more.

No surprise you forgot to mention the amish who's first response was to forgive the killer.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:46 pm PDT

Stop Blaming Parents

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I work in a large suburban high school in the administration who deal with students and their behavior.  The real issue here is not identifying students who may have the potential to commit this violence, its what rights the school does not have in requiring the parents to get their student mental health assistance, having enough "evidence" if you will to convince local police departments to check a student's residence out.  Unless we have a student who comes right out and says I will shoot, etc...  our hands are often tied.  Schools are not equipped with mental health professionals and can not force parent to become parents.  I have worked in schools prior to Columbine and of course after, teachers and students have become much better at reporting these issues but the school do not, I repeat, do not have control of dealing with the issues at their core.  Your guest, the criminal profiler, was the only one who got it.  These kids are raised this way, often grow up in situations where they have been angry for a real long time and their parents are absent emotionally or are in complete denial.  The parents have this choice, but all the focus seems to come back on the school to do something.   we are and we do each and every day.  There have been days where I am scared to go to school because we have not been able to get a student the help he or she so desperately needs for lack of mental health services or follow through from parents.  The other part of this equation that is not being looked at is gaining access to students' online journals, like myspace and facebook. The type of things that are communicated on here are astounding.  Parents aren't monitoring this!  As school administrators we do not have access to this information unless we happen to stumble upon it.  Any law that could be enacted that would help is to be able to have access to these journals and be able to hold parents accountable for having to get their students psychologically evaluated by qualified mental health professionals when the school makes the case that there is a concern.  The characteristics that easily come out to educational professionals who do this work on a daily basis is arrogance, major change in friends or relationships, humiliation in front of peers, a sense of entitelment, disengaged parents, truancy from school, etc... I could go on and on but I think the next step for the Dr. Phil show is to ask people in the schools who actually deal with this day in and ay out.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and hope that you can bring enough attention to this matter that no one really wants to get at the real, the real, issues here.  Only then will we not have to focus on the grieving families, what about educating parents to get involved in their kids lives, know what they have in their rooms, on their internet journal pages, etc...  As you can tell I am very passionate on this subject.  Its because of this issue that my husband has begged me to get out of this work. 
You cannot blame the parents for their children's problem. Our son has problems but he's adopted. He has some mental illness and I'm sick to death of trying to get the school to change him out of mainstream setting into something more structured. They blame us. They don't see any problem, therefor it must be a problem at home. BULL!!! We are not biologically or otherwise responsible. It is what it is. And we're doing all we can, just like LOTS of other parents. I know there are lousy parents, but not all of us with troubled kids are lousy parents. Being passionate is one thing, being mean and close minded is another. You are so wrapped up in what you see that you are losing compassion and empathy. We monitor everything in our son's life. We monitor what he is exposed to as much as in our power. But with our son, it's the school that is sticking their head in the sand and denying his difficulties because if they do otherwise they have to do something different. And that will cost money they don't have/want to spend. Maybe your husband is right. Maybe you should go to another line of work because you are standing against parents and lashing out at them and offering no help whatsoever to the children involved. Wake up!! It's everybody's problem now.
 
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October 12, 2007, 3:48 pm PDT

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In Canada where we have gun laws we don't have all the school or otherwise shootings that are becoming an increasingly common occurence in the United States. I have to wonder if there were gun laws and guns were not present in the majority of homes if there would be a decline in the senseless shootings.

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October 12, 2007, 3:49 pm PDT

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I'm from Wisconsin, not near Crandon.  Married to a police administrator.  I am just waiting for the cop basing.  You can't predict everything, please do not use this young man's issues to be a platform to bash all those officers that put their lives on the line, whose families miss holidays with them  because they are out there protecting us from the law breakers, PLEASE.  This is one person, one young person.  He does nto represent the many officers that have dedicated their lives to this profession. 

 

And on that same note, please remember this young man has a family.  They do not deserve to be persecuted.

 

And the victims families also will need time to heal, please allow them that.  This is a tough, terrible world we live in.  Let's not make this harder on everyone than we have to. 

 

Thank you.

Thank you so much for posting this message.  I totally agree with you.  My husband used to be a police deputy and they are very overworked and SO under appreciated.  The truly do put their lives on the line every day to help other people, and its such a hard life.  Missing holidays, school events, sports games, bedtime, and virtually everything else you can think of.  It is a very stressful profession and I guess sometimes people just snap.  I'm so sad that this had to happen to this family and community.  I hope they can come together and support not only the victims families, but also the deputy's family too.  And thank you for the sacrifices you and your family make and for allowing your husband to put himself in danger to keep the rest of us safe.
 
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