Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

Cpomment for Dr. Buss

I take exception to Dr. Buss's statement about the school shootings being an infrequent occurrence.  Does he live on another planet?? There have been 22 shootings this year alone.  Columbine seems to have started a trend for those looking for revenge which is a sad statement for this country.  I agree there needs to be some plan to protection not only our children and teachers, but how do we do that so everyone is safe?

 
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October 12, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

Sorry but its not a myth, Canada is better

In response to the comparison with Canada, you are completely wrong, crime statistics are measured with comparison to the population not actual number of crimes. Canada has consistenly similar numbers of property crimes, theft, but much smaller numbers of violent crimes as well as a much smaller percentage of crimes being committed with the aid of a firearm. Currently the murder rate (which is measured with respect to population) is two and a half times greater. Furthermore while the question of whether ordinary citizens should be allowed to posess guns, and tradition is a very sad excuse, is a good one, the more important question is why is it so easy to buy one? Why are they so easy for obviously unstable individuals to get ahold of with such ease?
 
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October 12, 2007, 5:23 pm PDT

The biggest reason for shootings

Maybe it's time to go back to square one! Remember when we said the pledge of allegiance in school with reference to God allowed?

Remember when we were allowed to pray in school if we wanted to?

Remember  when Christmas decorations on public property could include references to God?

Remember when the majority meant something in this country?

Well, in our great country 80% of the population profess a belief in God, yet we cave in to pressure from about 10%, maybe less than that, of the population that are against prayer or any mention of God in or on public grounds!

A majority of the posts that I've read today refer to praying for the families of the people involved, or they end in 'God bless you'.

Before God was taken out of our schools, the worst thing we saw from our children was a fight, and usually after that fight there was reconciliation between the parties involved.

These murderous outbursts did not start until after we took God out of the schools! We turned our back on the one sure thing we had: Our creator!

Until we allow Him back into our lives, we can do all the studies we want and change all the rules, but none of it will help if we don't allow God back into our schools!

 
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October 12, 2007, 5:24 pm PDT

Are Your Kidding!

I cannot believe you would even entertain the notion that we should profile persons!! Has anyone seen the movie "Minority Report"? This is dangerous territory. The answers to some of these questions lie right within the walls of our own homes.

 

The availability of guns is not necessarily the issue. Don't even get me going on gun control issues. However, Parental control and supervision is a major factor here. Parents need to be parents. I agree with one of your visitors (cannot remember her name). She said this boy did not simply "snap".  The "snaping" is just an excuse to shift blame and not take responsibility for extremely violent behavior. Herein lies a problem not only with young kids, but in society in general; that is, how can I shift blame and not take responsibility for my actions.

 

It is obvious this boy knew before he went to his girlfriends home that he would end up shooting here. I remember in my youth heraring the words, "tough", "you should have thought of that before",  These words and many others come to mind about the feelings of rejection and/or disappointment I (we) had to live with when we made bad choices. I fear there are many homes where things like integrity, responsibility and accountability are not taught.

 

It is time parent take back their right, power and duty to be a parent, a leader and confidant. As a society we have become too sensitive for our own good. Of course, their must be restraint and control in all this.

 

Let me finish how I started...STOP with the nonsense about "can we predict"...."Can we recognize and profile these bad apples"....muy dangerous to think this way! Shame on you for even entertaining the idea. This is stepping into our constitution right to privacy.

 
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October 12, 2007, 5:27 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

I now how scary it is cause I'm in high school and I always asks myself is it going t ohappen at my school well it happen anywhere close to my school or where I life and thats what I'm sacred of.
 

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October 12, 2007, 5:28 pm PDT

My Opinions /Shooting in Cleveland

I live in a suberb near Cleveland and graduated high school last year ( I did not go to Cleveland schools)  I am in shock only because no one believes it can happen where they live.  I wasn't shocked it was Cleveland though.  I don't think its the guns themselves or the technology it's the mind of the person or people who decide to do this.  I can't and don't believe that there is no profile these kids are loners quiet and often yet not always disturbed in some way and most of them speak about it beforehand.  I don't ask is there a profile for these kids but I do ask the following questions:

We are presented with a lesson over and over agian until we learn it so How many more shootings will it take? how many more innocent lives do we have to lose before we learn?  When are people going to start listening and doing something to help these kids.  In Cleveland we are extremely lucky that the only person lost was the shooter.  I am sorry about those in Wisconsin who were lost.  These are just my thoughts.

 
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October 12, 2007, 5:34 pm PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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To the concerned grandparent -  Please consider telephoning your local mental health clinic or area mental health agency for help.  Contacting Dr. Phil is probably not in your immediate best interest as I am certain the show (Dr. Phil) gets thousands of requests for help during any given hour of the day.  Most counties are affiliated with some type of mental health agency.  You are to be given a lot of credit for being such a caring and concerned grandparent.  Your anger, I'm certain, is frustration with the system...but given today's show and the national attention being given to our youth, there will be someone local to help you. 

God bless you...

 

hello, i very much understand how many emails and calls dr. phil get each day!!i also didn;t mean to offend anyone in anyway, and if i did, i am truely sorry!! this whole thing is very sad, but let me tellyou something, i have absolutely no rights when it comes to my own crand kids, and that's because of what csb has done. they called me yesterday and tried to bully me again, saying that this case is a closed case, and if i want it opened, i would have to open it myself!!do you know how many times i have tried to help these kids through csb? believe me many!!each time i did, i am the one they wanted to run into the dirt, again!!you know, you can only take so much of this abuse!!!yes, i lost my oly daughter and that was very painful, but what was more painful, is that even after her death, still, no one would listen to me, so how would i get any mental agency to listen? they would lead me in the same circle that csb is trying to lead me again!!! they will tell me, have you called?, have you told?. well yes i have and it always come back to , you'll have to get with csb about that!! well i did, again, i got with csb, and they told me there was nothing i could do about my kids being exposed to whatever they are being exposed to, and they told me to call intake!! i called intake, and they said there was nothing they could do to help me, so that's when i called dean sparks's office. they didn't even bother getting back with me, i had to call them again!!! i did, and do you know what they did in return? they had csb call me, and this woman did nothing but scream in my ear, and tell me, yes she remembers taling to me, and the date, but said nothing, i mean nothing about getting these kids help!!why would you think a mental clinic will do anyting, they will tell me the same things i've been being told for years!!i wouldn't of email you if i had anywhere else to go.i called dean sparks office on wednesday of this week and today is friday, i called them again yesterday and told them that i did not want to hear from csb, because i have heard enough from them, but who did they tell to call me?csb!! there should be a lot of attention on our kids today, they are our future, but they are slipping through the big wholes in our system, and you know it!! yes my anger is real, and yes i came to earn it, and it's not a commenment that i want from you, i want someone to help me, please!! just help before you read about my grand kids doing something similar that that little boy did. my 13 yr. old grandson wants to tell me soemthing so bad, but the foster parents are telling him not to say a word, or else i will take them away from her. the witch, all she needs is money because there are so many kids living in this house, that what her husband makes at work, is not near enough to even feed all of them, let alone making sure my kids have a nice christmas or the things they deserve!!my gr/son told me he doesn't know why he has to go to school, he's not learning anything anyways. last year when i called kati's school, the one that was molested for 2 yrs. the principle didn't even want to hear about what was going on in this little girls life, cause he didn't have the time to even care!!not even the school would help me stop that pig ,from molesting her!!how in the hell would you think some clinic would help me? i'm sorry, but everyone just passes and keeps passing the buck!! and that's why things are happening more often!!thanks anyways,  but no thanks!!!!1debbie
 
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October 12, 2007, 5:35 pm PDT

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I'm from Wisconsin, not near Crandon.  Married to a police administrator.  I am just waiting for the cop basing.  You can't predict everything, please do not use this young man's issues to be a platform to bash all those officers that put their lives on the line, whose families miss holidays with them  because they are out there protecting us from the law breakers, PLEASE.  This is one person, one young person.  He does nto represent the many officers that have dedicated their lives to this profession. 

 

And on that same note, please remember this young man has a family.  They do not deserve to be persecuted.

 

And the victims families also will need time to heal, please allow them that.  This is a tough, terrible world we live in.  Let's not make this harder on everyone than we have to. 

 

Thank you.

This is a terrible tradgedy for the families and the townspeople. I agree with you that this young man has a family(and are too victims of this terrible act of violence.  How he became a member of the police force is not thepoint of the matter.  There are a great number of respected members of law enforcement out there, and hopefully will not be dis-respected .  This is one profession that truly deserves the highest acccolades one can have.  What  I don't agree with is why give this guy the publicity about why or how did he do this horrible act.  I'm sure his family has or will be counselled, about his behaviour or lack of.  Listening or watching the show is not worth my time for an open unended question and answer period. If I may end this with my heartfelt sympathies to all the families, so sorry.

 

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October 12, 2007, 5:39 pm PDT

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This is scary. What is our country coming to? I am not a teacher, but I student taught at an Elementary school. These teachers see the warning signs, they know who the troubled kidsa are and WE need to listen to them. People keep saying we didn't know, they had no history of this, yet if people look back, they have had that history. School is supposed to be a safe haven, most teachers, no all, but most are doing everything in there power to help kids. That is why they are in education, we need to listen to them and take threats seriously. Why are we still hearing threats and saying "oh they won't do that..." We need to wake up or I am afraid this is only going to get worse.
 
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October 12, 2007, 5:42 pm PDT

Lets listen to them

My eleven year old son has shown signs for quite some time of depression and has had many obstacles in his short life to overcome. Partially because we moved often during his first few years of school, he has never fit in very well where we live now. I am a believer that children need security by planting roots in a community but I guess we chose the wrong one to settle into. The children here are mostly from families who have been here for generations. We have always felt like the outsiders.

 

My son started middle school this year and has had such a rough time so far. He has been teased and humiliated by other students - a boy who already has self-esteem problems. He is a very meek person but lately I am seeing another side to him that scares me. On two occasions just in the last couple of weeks, he has wanted to retaliate on a boy who visits his grandparents on our street and picks on him when they play together. The first time I had to take a ball bat out of his hands and last night I had to take a knife away from him because he said that he had had enough of being picked on and was going to stop it. I have always tried to teach him that fighting is not the answer and he gets so upset when he is picked on that he just doesn't know how to respond. I am afraid that he will have enough some day and explode like these other people. He was put on medication this past week for depression and I pray it helps. He is also seeing a counselor (all of which we are having to find the money to pay for out of pocket). My son's mental health is as important to me as his physical health and I don't want him to hurt like he hurts sometimes. But kids are so mean and disrespectful to each other these days. I feel that the school is already frustrated with him and me for having to deal with our problems.

 

After talking about everything last night after the situation with the neighbor's grandson, my son said something that was simple but made so much sense. He said, "I don't know why they don't teach a class in school about how to treat other people." I think that a sociology class on how people are effected by each other and how to deal with life should be mandatory for sixth grade students. I think many of them don't really understand how their personal actions impact other people. I think it would also be good for them to learn in this class how to deal with people and how to deal with their own emotions.

 

I hurt for those victims and their families who lost lives. I also hurt for those misunderstood individuals who didn't know how to deal with their situations and the families they left behind wondering why they didn't see the signs. I hope my family is never on either side of that situation.

 

 

 

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