Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 12, 2007, 8:13 pm PDT

Accountability!!!

That is what is missing in this world.  No one, but no one is held accountable for ANYTHING!!!  Everyone & everything is to blame.  BS!!!

 

I am sick and tired of hearing about how parents have ZERO CLUE where their child is, who their child is hanging out with or what the hell their child is doing.  After all that, parents sit back & say, "I never saw anything wrong.  How could this happen?"  DUH!!! Wake up!!!  Know where your kids are!  Know who they are hanging out with!  Know what the hell they are doing!!!  If ya don't, don't shrug your shoulders when people ask you where YOUR KID got their weapons.  If you ain't watching, you aren't being a parent!

Also I feel it is time for bullying to STOP!!  No, if ands or buts about it!!!  Parents if  you allow your child to pick on someone because they are "different" then they are, your child is a bully.  He or she is the bully who will probably one day become a target!  And you will have to take part of the blame, cause you failed in teaching your child the most important thing:  Treat others how you'd like to be treated.  Or as my parents taught me, "If you can't say something nice...say NOTHING AT ALL!!"

 

I was bullied all through my school years & 25+ years later I can still hear the taunting & feel the humilation.  Yet my parents taught me that violence would only make me just a horrible as the bullies.  Yet I can see how being tormented could drive someone to strike out, eventhough it doesn't heal the wounds nor stop the hurt.  For every bully that is "put in his/her place", there is another 2 or 3 to take their place.  It is a never-ending horrifying cycle.

 

It is time for bullying & the playing of mind games to stop.  If we don't stop these games, people will continue to use violence to fight back.  It's not the right way, but for some it's the only way they can see.  Which is very, very , very sad.

Lastly, if you think there is a problem or a threat...don't think it'll just "go away".  Talk to authorities & if they don't listen...KEEP TALKING!!!  Don't give up, your child's life may depend on it.  There were "signs" before Columbine, before VU & all the other tragedies...keep your eyes open & be ready to speak up.  It may save lives, including your child's.

 
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October 12, 2007, 8:26 pm PDT

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

How many more school shootings will occur before we wake up?

 

I am an educator in California.  Ever since the Columbine shootings, I made the personal decision to have my classroom door LOCKED when class is in session.  Why? To PREVENT armed intruders from bursting into my classroom!  Often, they hope to find the first (random) door that is not locked!

 

Do you teach your children to wear a seatbelt, to prevent death in a car accident?

 

Do you teach your children to wear a condom if they  prematurely participate in sexual activity, to prevent unwanted pregnancy or STD's?

 

Do you teach your children to not get into a car with a drunk or stoned driver?

 

Did you know that Israel suffered NO PLANE HIJACKINGS for decades by securing the cockpits?

(We could have PREVENTED 9/11, if we had had the same common sense in this country.)

 

AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF "CURE."

 

Something as simple as locking a classroom door when in session is such a small, but smart, thing to do.  In the event of a fire, we can all still LEAVE class.  Locked doors PREVENT INTRUDERS.

 

We cannot secure every hallway or every room; but we can ceratinly secure classrooms in session.

 

Until we unravel the "mysteries"  of violence in this country, we will have to take OBVIOUS PRECAUTIONS.

 

The criminal profiler, Pat Brown, tried to speak about the "disaffected" teens and their early childhhood upbringings.  ARE PARENTS TEACHING THEIR KIDS THAT EVERY LIFE IS SACRED?  No.

 

Dr. Phil is a behaviorist.  He does not dwell on parental models, but he does state that "children learn what they live."  Let's admit it:  guns have been a part of American society for hundreds of years.  But the last decade has shown a DRAMATIC increase in school shootings.  Let's pay attention to what is happening in our society in the last decade.  Pat Brown deserves an UNINTERRUPTED HOUR to share her thoughts on this subject. We all know very well how our kids witness violence EVERY day, in their homes and on the screens, in their music and in the media.  This appetite for violence is spawning it.

 

Until Brown gets to speak more fully, I will continue to "lock down" my classroom, when in session, so that I do not have to phone parents and ask them to come to school and claim their son/daughter, who is lying in a pool of blood on my floor.

 

 

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 8:55 pm PDT

i am surprised

that dr. phil didn't do more to discuss bullying being a significant factor in this issue. he has done  shows on bullying and appears to understand it's negative ramifications. bullying has become increasingly acceptable in our school culture. bottom line is that no child should feel the need to act out against their school or themselves due to esteem issues. also, the ability of the principal (or an assigned guidance counselor) of a school to have access to psychiatric needs should be permitted. if a staff member were aware of these issues perhaps closer monitoring could take place and prevent further escalation to violence. our schools expect to be notified if our child is asthmatic or diabetic, why would mental health info be any different. all conditions can be equally injurious.
 
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October 12, 2007, 9:13 pm PDT

Scary when you meet one of these kids

I am a school psychometrist and contract with several schools so I am all over the county. The other day I was testing a senior and we got to talking. He shared with me that he had been arrested twice. He volunteered the information that once was for shooting a girl. I ask why he would do that. He told me that he and a friend were walking around town shooting at things(he had a .22 and the other guy had a BB gun). A girl walked out of her house and his friend said,"Can you hit her?" So he shot her in the leg. I asked him if he was sorry. He said yeah(pantomimed his hands behind his back in handcuffs)when the police arrested me. He said that if she just hadn't cried and called the police, everything would have been fine. He showed no remorse for having shot the girl, only that he got caught. To me, this is a prime example of a kid who could kill.

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October 12, 2007, 9:18 pm PDT

the other victim

in the Cleveland shooting is the shooter. Can anyone imagine being neglected and burnt at 5 years old? I have two young sons and could never imagine doing something to harm them. 

 

 I usually love listening to Dr. Phil, but today I could no longer pay attention to the rest of the show after Ramona Robinson told of the shooter being neglected and burnt at 5 and then a few minutes later Dr. Phil labeled him under the "problem" category. How can anyone be normal when you have such a horrible childhood?

 

I do feel horrible for those victims that were shot as well. No one deserves this and they are in my thoughts and prayers.

 

When I was in school i befriended people that were "problems". I agree with warning our children, but I think we need to tell them to befriend the people that seem to be the "problems". One word or one hello or one smile can make a world of difference in the life of a child like that.

 

God Bless Us ALL

 
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October 12, 2007, 9:19 pm PDT

Disaffected, why?

It kept coming up that children are killing children.  Let's be more specific, boys are killing children.  Why?  I believe that one of the major reasons is because as a society we have forgotten how to train boys to become men.  We've lost the concept of a "rite of passage".  How do we get it back?  Who are our mentors?  When we look at Maslow's Heiarchy of needs, one can see that many of the needs are being superseeded by materialistic wants and desires.  When there are messages from all forms of media, TV, video games and such that show real men are all about violence, sex, drugs, living a "fast" life, respect through intimidation, what else are these young minds to believe?  The video "Tough Guise" by Jason Kratz, really drives home the point.  Check it out.
 
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October 12, 2007, 9:26 pm PDT

BRAVO!

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That is what is missing in this world.  No one, but no one is held accountable for ANYTHING!!!  Everyone & everything is to blame.  BS!!!

 

I am sick and tired of hearing about how parents have ZERO CLUE where their child is, who their child is hanging out with or what the hell their child is doing.  After all that, parents sit back & say, "I never saw anything wrong.  How could this happen?"  DUH!!! Wake up!!!  Know where your kids are!  Know who they are hanging out with!  Know what the hell they are doing!!!  If ya don't, don't shrug your shoulders when people ask you where YOUR KID got their weapons.  If you ain't watching, you aren't being a parent!

Also I feel it is time for bullying to STOP!!  No, if ands or buts about it!!!  Parents if  you allow your child to pick on someone because they are "different" then they are, your child is a bully.  He or she is the bully who will probably one day become a target!  And you will have to take part of the blame, cause you failed in teaching your child the most important thing:  Treat others how you'd like to be treated.  Or as my parents taught me, "If you can't say something nice...say NOTHING AT ALL!!"

 

I was bullied all through my school years & 25+ years later I can still hear the taunting & feel the humilation.  Yet my parents taught me that violence would only make me just a horrible as the bullies.  Yet I can see how being tormented could drive someone to strike out, eventhough it doesn't heal the wounds nor stop the hurt.  For every bully that is "put in his/her place", there is another 2 or 3 to take their place.  It is a never-ending horrifying cycle.

 

It is time for bullying & the playing of mind games to stop.  If we don't stop these games, people will continue to use violence to fight back.  It's not the right way, but for some it's the only way they can see.  Which is very, very , very sad.

Lastly, if you think there is a problem or a threat...don't think it'll just "go away".  Talk to authorities & if they don't listen...KEEP TALKING!!!  Don't give up, your child's life may depend on it.  There were "signs" before Columbine, before VU & all the other tragedies...keep your eyes open & be ready to speak up.  It may save lives, including your child's.

Your comments are TOTALLY on point: Parents are not  teaching their children to be kind and respectful. 

Kids are mean to each other and disrespectful to teachers, who must then correct that behavior.

 

Thank you for pointing out the psychological battering that is going on, in homes and at school, by bullies.

I am very sorry you had to suffer from that.  I am sorry that so many "disaffected" teens suffer from it, because some of them attempt to seek revenge.  Happy, healthy kids who feel loved and respected do not harm other human beings. 

 

Parents:  Be responsible for the children you bring into this world.

YOU ARE THEIR FIRST TEACHERS, by your role modeling.  Do you teach them how to be kind?

That means, do you LISTEN to them, respectfully---or do you ignore/lecture them, disrespectfully?

 

By the time kids come to school, it is difficult to undo the harm or neglect in socialization that could have taken place in your homes.  We teachers try our best to teach subject matter.  Today, we must also be parents, psychologists, police, protectors, and a host of other roles.  Give us some assistance, please!

 

We count on you parents to do your part at home.  We chose teaching because we love your kids.

 
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October 12, 2007, 9:52 pm PDT

Dispelling the "macho" myth!

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It kept coming up that children are killing children.  Let's be more specific, boys are killing children.  Why?  I believe that one of the major reasons is because as a society we have forgotten how to train boys to become men.  We've lost the concept of a "rite of passage".  How do we get it back?  Who are our mentors?  When we look at Maslow's Heiarchy of needs, one can see that many of the needs are being superseeded by materialistic wants and desires.  When there are messages from all forms of media, TV, video games and such that show real men are all about violence, sex, drugs, living a "fast" life, respect through intimidation, what else are these young minds to believe?  The video "Tough Guise" by Jason Kratz, really drives home the point.  Check it out.

Thank you for pointing out Jackson Katz' excellent film:  "TOUGH GUISE."   It should be in every school.

 

It is appalling that "wrestlers" have a television program that degrades women, by dragging them by their hair, across a stage.   It is even more appalling that women are so desperate for income that they would take these degrading roles.   Wow, the message they send to other young women and girls!

 

Do you remember the days when men protected women, instead of violating their dignity?

Do you remember the days when men respected their mothers?    What happened to decency?

 

There is something terribly wrong with many "males" today.   I think they have been abandoned by their own fathers, a sad legacy---which explains the lack of role modeling.

 

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 9:57 pm PDT

Bullying

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I didn't hear anyone say anything about kids who are made fun of and abused by other kids. That is, in my opinion, the reason for what all these kids did. Each one seemed to be treated badly by other kids and no one did anything about it. When my children were in school, the administration would say that there was a pecking order. Great. Then why did some, including my son, think of killing himself when no one would help. These kids don't kill themselves. They kill others. All teachers and staff should be aware of this problem at all times. It is definitely the cause of many, many problems. Please let me hear you say it. You have had programs about bullies. After the program, it stops being a problem? I think not and hope that this problem can be addressed and addressed and addressed. I can't be the only person who knows about it.
I agree with you so much!!  The pain that is left with kids who are bullied lasts a lifetime.  Even though most people don't shoot up a school or kill others they are still affected.  The extreme cases only serve to accent this point.  School is not the only place where kids can be abused by bullies.   Imagine this man being bullied at school and not having a safe haven at home.  We all need to love our kids, tell them they are important and make them know they are special.  And we need to teach them not to bully, to talk about bullying with parents or teachers, and to stand up for those who are bullied.  "Be a friend to someone who needs one."
 
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October 12, 2007, 10:04 pm PDT

Videos

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When I watched the Dr. Phil show today, something kept popping up in my mind. Every day at my house the X-Box is on and the kids are playing HALO-3 constantly. In that game, you are shooting people right and left. Basically with not much thought put into it. It's a game played by mostly young men. Do you think that boys are growing accustom to shooting people and it doesn't effect them? I asked my 14yr old son today what he thought about it. I asked him if he thinks boys can just go off and shoot people and it doesn't affect them? He said absolutely not. Shooting someone in real life is very tragic, scary and definately emotional. I was glad to hear him say that, but I do feel that there are young men in this day and age that could shoot people in cold blood and not have a bad feeling about it. They may have gone beyond their pain that they are feeling and have become numb and feel rebellious. It's those kind of kids that I am afraid of for anyone who comes into contact with them. Just two days ago, our nearby high school was under lockdown all day long, due to 3 phone calls to the school, someone was going to bring a gun and shoot people. I can't image what this world will be like when my kids are adults. Jesus can't come back soon enough for me.

 

Cara

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My son and I were watching a traffic camera video of an accident where 2 cars collide and kill a man walking down the street.  I was horrified.  Then my son said that he had seen the video on funnyjunk.com.

Imagine a website teaching our youth that this tragic loss of a young life is funny!   Everyone who prays should pray for our youth.

 

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