Topic : 10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 13, 2007, 9:05 am PDT

Blame who?

I was working the day the show aired but have read several of the postings from the show and would like to have a few questions answered and add a few comments.

Guns do not kill people, people kill people.  Are we going to ban cars because they kill people?  How about Dr.'s don't they have patients die in their care?  Are we going to blame every Dr. that loses a patient that is was their fault.  Is it not time that we realize that people are responsible for their actions?  Not blaming mom & dad for a bad upbringing.  We have taken God , prayer, or any form of religion out of our schools, work place, and even our homes, and I feel that we are seeing the end result out a society that has extracted out of the equation those variables that can help balance out an equation of how we are as society.  I seen in one article that the mother of the man helped him to build his arsenal?  WHAT?  When you have children your are to raise them up and instill within them values of normal right & wrong, NOT a CO-CONSPIRATOR to COMMIT MURDER!  Respect life and the sanctity thereof!  I just hope and pray for all of the families that have been traumatized by these senseless acts, that they can get comforted in this time.

 
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October 13, 2007, 9:36 am PDT

Leave hunters and target shooters alone

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The right to bear arms in america strikes me as one of the foremost causes of these tragic school shootings. I do not in any way discount mental disease or childhood abuse. I just think it is far too easy for children to gain access to deadly weapons without the benefit of training, education, and safety restrictions. It is my opinion that anyone under the age of eighteen should be strictly forbidden to have access to firearms. I personally know people who think it is a right of passage for a father to introduce his children to guns for the purpose of hunting or target shooting. I am in total opposition to this. People under the legal age limit are under this limit for a reason. They do not have the capacity to make informed, educated, moral, and responsible decisions.  Why aren't we more concerned about the ease with which it is possible to aquire dangerous and deadly weapons? The war on drugs...the war on terror...how about a war on weapons? Enough people have been killed and enough lives ruined.

Speak for yourself. Why would you deny the one on one interaction between a parent and their child (mothers hunt and target shoot with their sons and daughters just the same as fathers do) just because some wacko kid who can't control his emotions shoots up a school. These kids who shoot with their parents are either enrolled in gun safety classes or taught by their parents to be responsible with the guns that they use. Most of these kids would never think of touching their parents firearms without permission. Our daughter was target shooting with her dad when she was 9. She now at 22 and has her concealed weapons permit. A good friend of ours is right now deer hunting with his 14 year old son. These are special times between the two of them that they will remember for a lifetime. Why  would you want to  deny that kind of interaction between moms and dads and their children because you have some ill-informed opposition to it? These weapon are not inherently dangerous. It is the mentally disturbed people who use them for crimianl purposes. If you can find one instance where a gun picked itself up and shot someone, please go on the national news with that.

 
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October 13, 2007, 9:41 am PDT

School Shootings (from a teacher)

I just finished watching this episode, since I tape it during the week and "catch up" on the weekends.

I heard the profiler and others commenting on the schools needing to identify these kids EARLY.

I couldn't agree more, however, with what resources?

I believe that one big point about this story and others that is being overlooked is that schools are at an all time low regarding financial resources.  Is there a correlations between this and the rise in shootings at schools?  I think so!!

In our District, Special Education, which would be the department that would identify students such as these, is basically becoming obsolete because of lack of resources.  Even if there is moneys available, the time that it takes to have a student tested, observed, on and on, could take up to the entire school year to complete, and because the criteria for special education has changed, because of funding, even if a child is identified nothing may be done!

The schools and the lack of resources is where we need to start!!  More demands are being put on the schools, but no additional moneys are being allocated to help them!!

WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO HELP THE SCHOOLS FIRST?!?!

 
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October 13, 2007, 9:45 am PDT

i'm not kidding

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  9/11 occurred because terrorists decided to kill the "infidels"!  This is not a forgiving matter.  To do nothing would have sent a message to the world that any terrorist group can do whatever they want to our country and we will do nothing.  I noticed you  mentioned the Amish forgave the shooter when many of thei children died, and I commend them for that because that is their belief.  I believe in forgiveness as well, but we cannot allow obviously "misguided" people to treat us in any way they see fit.  

 

God helps those that help themselves!  We have the right as Americans to feel safe in our country.  I have had something very bad happen to me in my life, and I have come to realize that God can handle those people much better than I ever could!  However, we are talking about an entire nation!!   Our children deserve protection from those who would harm them.  I don't believe God would want us to do nothing! 

 

I respect your opinion - I just don't agree with it.

 

Thanks for reading.

 It is about forgiveness. If you don't forgive/ love your enemy God will not intervene, period.

these killings are only a reflection of the breakdown/lack of love and discipline within the family.

the mind set of the killer is simple,"If I don't get what I want,nobody does." This equates to selfishness.

Jesus said, "love your neighbor as yourself." He was murdered without cause and still said I forgive.

What better example of leadership could there be?
 
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October 13, 2007, 10:07 am PDT

Senseless killings

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There is no end to this and there can be no end to senseless killings like this in the United States in our present form of government. As long as Americans continue to operate in the social structures we have created without recognizing our need for flexibility and serious changes in what we do and do not allow for, sad events like this will continue.

 

I don't care what the NRA says about incidents like this, a gun killed those people.

 

We either take them away or  create laws that enable citizens to better defend themselves.

 

As long as there is hate, envy, jealousy, disrespect, greed and avarice in the world there will be no end to this.

 

The very best screening for law enforcement officers will not make enough differance as we have seen.

 

The path down this terrible road starts with, disrespect,  for self first, than others.

 

If your wondering why....and how....something like this can happen in 'our' nice little town...it all started the very moment a human being thought less of themselves than they had ought to of.

 

We should have learned self-respect early in life but too often we have parents where one or more of them have also come to a place to where they too, stopped respecting themselves, their name, their home and values until all they had ever hoped for and placed so much value in...is gone.

 

Whole value systems are based in...1.Love 2. Work, when one of those is out of balance and threatens our well being our entire value system is threatened and that is where a good basis in self-respect is called for and necessary for our recovery.

 

When we place no more value on ourselves and are taken with hopelessness it is than we have stopped respecting both ourselves and others.

 

When this happens we open the door to an attitude of 'our own needs first' and than we no longer care about the needs of others, be they physical or spirtual needs...or whatever is that gives our neighbors the balance they need in their own lives and values.

 

The spiral downward continues when we are so busy trying to keep the essentials for our own basic survival intact and operational, the need for balance in our love (relationships) and work (life purpose), that we so easily take our eyes off others that we share and trade with and when we do that, when we, through our actions or inactions, get so busy with ourselves it is than say to others with our body language and our tone of voice, you do not count, you are not a part of my life mission and value system and you provide nothing to my personal well being or the well being of my family, when we devalue others like that, we set the stage for retaliation and violence in our communities.

 

When we are so busy looking for the forest and can't see the trees right in front of us we have to pause and reflect and ask ourselves........are we too busy ?......what are we missing here ?.....and why ?

 

What part did I or we play in this tragedy ?

 

Just because I didn't pull the trigger and it's not my fault doesn't mean that perhaps there was something I could have done to prevent this.

 

Just because I refuse to accept guilt for being so selfish and focused on only my own family and it's needs doesn't mean I am no less liable for my actions or inactions when travesty falls upon another family nearby.

 

Where is the dividing line between being self sufficent and minding my own business and being my brother's keeper ?

 

We live in the social structures we create. We are liable for what we allow and do not allow for within them.

 

We all play a role in our communities and social structures whether we like those roles or not.

I dont know what the world is coming to. I worry about my grandkids growing up in this kind of world. How do we guard them from this kind of tragedy. We need to stand together and teach our kids to repect each other at home and at school.That we can not always get what we want in live. And repect someone else when they say No to you. And not get mad with each other. And learn to get alone with everyone. Put God back in the schools.

 
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October 13, 2007, 10:15 am PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Live by the sword, die by the sword.  Carrying a weapon makes you a target for those gangs, not particularly protected.  You sound lik a vigilante. 

No, it is just the opposite. When a gang member or anyone else who intends harm suspects that a person is armed, that is going to make that person a risk to the health of the attacker. That is why the crime rate in states with right to carry laws has gone down. Carrying a gun does not make me a vigilante any more than flying in an airplane makes me a bird. To give the opposition side to your opening statement: live in fear, die in fear. I don't do the former and I don't intend to do the latter.
 
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October 13, 2007, 10:29 am PDT

THANK YOU FOR THIS EPISODE!

DEAR DR PHIL::

 

I am so glad that you did this episode.  I feel it will help those parents with their children, and this is becoming out of control.

I agree that the schools should have the right to see the students behavior records or any records.  That way, maybe they can prevent something bad from happening.

Parents also need to pay more attention to their teens and stop bad behavior by finding out why they are doing it.

My brother has a daughter, who is bipolar,  and her behavior would be unpredictable.  She would run away, be defiant,  and they would lose control of her, but now she is doing better, because her mom and dad took her to special doctors, and schools which deal with special cases.

When there is a problem with a child, there is a reason.

Look at the wierd music they listen to, the violent movies they watch, the violent TV programs that are on.  I feel very strong that these things influence our teens.  Also,  the parents need to realize that when a child  is  having problems of any kind, get some help.

Like they said on your show, sometimes the children show signs when they are younger and it just developes as they get older.  They don't know it is wrong, because the parents don't realize it is.  They just let it go, and then it becomes a major problem.

Like you said, in one of your other shows,  a child has to be guided by the parents.  They are not born that way.  They are raised that way.  Especially , the ones that are raised with one parent or there is abuse in the home.  The parents need to teach the children structure.

I have noticed that some teens have no respect for their parents.  My two sons grew up with respect for their parents and my youngest son has passed that on to his son.

Thank you again!

 

Judy Thomson

San Augustine, Tx

 
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October 13, 2007, 10:36 am PDT

JOYFUL - PEACEFUL - SUPPORTIVE - FULLFILLING LIFE

While personality disorders traditionally have been conceptualized only in adults, it is not uncommon to encounter children and adolescents with the classic diagnostic signs. Youngsters with personality disorders may come across as strikingly arrogant, defiant, and manipulative, yet their demeanor typically masks devastating experiences of vulnerability and pain.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are: 

 

 

Treating Personality Disorders in Children and Adolescents:  A Relational Approach by Efrain Bleiberg OR Without Conscience:  The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us by Robert Hare

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward AND Why is it Always About You?:  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss

 

Aggression in Personality Disorders and Perversions by Otto Kernberg OR The Psychology of Lust Murder:  Paraphilia, Sexual Killing, and Serial Homicide by Catherine Purcell and Bruce Arrigo  

 

 

The United States is one of the richest countries in the history of the world. Yet, our children in general are touch starved. We are busy with our lives and our careers. We often raise our children in broken homes. We as parents are suffering under the burden of so much physical and emotional stress, that we are often just glad to make it through the day without hitting or screaming at our children. Who has time to give them affection? Yet, this is what our children crave most from us. We fill our houses with toys and things for our children, but it is us that they really need. 

 

Fundamentally, sociopaths are different because they cannot love. Sociopaths learn early on to show fake emotion, but underneath they are indifferent to others’ suffering.  They live to dominate and thrive for the thrill to win.  We all almost certainly know at least one or more sociopaths already.  How do we recognize the remorseless? One of their chief characteristics is a kind of glow or charisma that makes sociopaths more charming or interesting than the other people around them.  They’re more spontaneous, more intense, more complex or even sexier than everyone else, making them tricky to identify and leaving us easily seduced. 

 

 

Hope it helps! 

 
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October 13, 2007, 10:36 am PDT

school violence

I am new at this and have never done anything like this before, but I am a dedicated watcher of Dr. Phil and when he aired the show about school violence, I don't think he even got close to the truth of what happens in a public school. I am in my 50's, have put 2 children through our public school, the one I have worked for for over 30 years. It is not the kids, but the adults in charge, up to and including the superintendent. These people and in it for themselves, they have their pets and it is very obvious. There are kids that are off limits to justice and others scapegoats. It is blatant, evil, and certainly creates the environments that we are seeing. Public schools are a monopoly whose time has long passed, it's only real purpose is to supply  job security. The top dogs seem to want to hold things together just long enough to get their lion share and get out, they do not care about the damage they leave behind. You have uninterested parents, a lazy school board that doesn't investigate issues, and administrators running amok because it is a secure job...LET'S BE HONEST!
 
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October 13, 2007, 10:49 am PDT

Read the Constitution's "Bill of Rights"

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On the show last night it was reported that people in 47% of homes in the USA own guns.  In the UK no one is allowed to own a gun.  I don't need nor want a gun to protect myself .  Is the "right to bear arms" worth the sacrifice these young people have made?

The Second Amendment provides for the STATES to have the right to a militia (armed), as a check against a tyrannical central federal government.    It says nothing about individuals owning guns, although the INTERPRETATION of the law has been to provide for individual gun ownership.  

 

Lobbyists for the powerful NRA have had a role there.   Those of us who have kids, but no guns in the house, have one less thing to worry about.    We all know the statistics of guns in homes that were used in killing family members, intentionally or accidentally.   We know guns can be misused---and they are, often.

 

Those of us who teach history and government are required to address the "Bill of Rights," as part of the study of the U.S. Constitution.   Maybe the students' parents need a refresher course!

 

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