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(Original Air Date: 10/18/07) What if you feared your own child? Dr. Phil's guests say they worry that one day they may die at the hands of their offspring. Steven and Tori say Steven's 9-year-old son, Donovan, poisoned his siblings and then laced Tori's drink with aquarium cleaner. They say he laughed after his family members went to the hospital and has not shown remorse for his sinister acts. He's now in a treatment facility, but should Tori and Steven allow him back into their home once he's released? Then, Susie narrowly escaped death after her stepson tried to brutally kill her with a gun and then a knife. He's now behind bars, so why does she fear he will try to finish the job? And, Carrie and Lance fear their son, Michael, will be the next shocking murder headline. They say he threatened to cut his teacher's eyes out with a knife and kill his younger sister. When Michael becomes enraged, Carrie locks herself in the bedroom for fear of what he might do. Find out what Dr. Phil cameras caught on tape while at Carrie and Lance's house. And, why do the parents feel their son's behavior is influencing their daughter? What does Dr. Phil think is at the root of Michael's rage? Talk about the show here.

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June 10, 2008, 11:05 am PDT

Fractured child

Peaple wonder how a child ends up like this.  Well, I can tell you.  All children are born with a clean slate.  Each looking to be loved, tought, and formed.  Then things happed to these children that confuse, hurt, and fustrate them.  Here is a picture of how a child end up this way:

 

FRACTURED LOVE

At birth

Mother leave Brant with 3 different families before he is 2 months old

Long week-end (2 weeks old) with Daddy at farm house

(3 other young man living there as well)

Second week-end with Grandma and Grandpa

Third week-end with Brother

Forth week he was left with Grandma and Grandpa while

Mom went to Myrtle beach

Firth week left with Daddy and Mom couldn’t be found when

Sunday night and Daddy had to take son to work with him.

Mother moves 9 times in next few months.

Brant was brought to Grandma’s house because a sitter was

Needed while Mom went to hospital for dying Aunt. Brant

Was crying when we was brought, Crying continued for 2 hours

And doctor was called. He wanted to see baby. I called Mother

And told her I was going to doctor and I would pick her up on

Way. Mother said no, dying Aunt needed her. Doctor put

Baby in hospital and couldn’t find Mother for 6 hours. She was

Not were she said she would be (same hospital as dying Aunt)

Social Service was called in.

Brant gets ear infection. In lots of pain. Doctor gives anti

Biotic. Mother does not give it because she says it is making

His vomit. Ear infection comes back. New antibiotic. Mother

Forgets to put it in refrigerator and then pitches it. Ear infection

Comes back again and this time Daddy will not let her take him

Back until ear has cleared.

(Continuation of same behavior for next 18 months)

Child is still a Baby (18 months old) and is expected to be a perfect

Mother Marries and has son stand up for her. Things go bad.

Mother takes child back and tries to form a family, but Brant

Cried and wanted Daddy. Mother tells Brant that her new

Husband is Daddy too. Brant gets confused.

Mother starts cheating on new husband and starts leaving

Brant at Grandma and Grandpa’s house. (Mother has shared

Custody and goes to her house every other week-end, but now

Weekends are being missed so she can spend time with new boy

Friend and telling husband that Brant is sick and she doesn’t

Want to tear him away from here. All time telling us that she

Is sick and doesn’t want to expose Brant, so she is leaving him

With us.

Brant spends next 3 years (86% of the time over next 2 years) at Grandma’s and Grandpa’s house with Daddy (Daddy moved back in to be closer to son). I loved him as my own - knowing that I would Have to give him up when son found a wife.

Brant is 3 years old

Son finds a wife. Marries and moves son into wife’s apt.

Family mores into new house

Brant is 5 years old

Family expects new baby. Step mother makes promise

Nothing will change. She will still love him the same

Things start to change very much. (Step mother finds

Fault with step son. He is 5, but mother makes him

Clean his own bathroom because he missed toilet. He’s

Not clean enough for Step mother. Son wants to go home to

Grandma and Grandpa’s (Son’s words). Step Mother if he

Doesn’t stop asking for Grandma he will never see her again.

 

Brant is 6 years old (April)

Brant starts 1st grade. It’s hard for Brant to remember all the

Things that he is suppose to. (Normal) But he is made to feel

Abnormal. Mom doesn’t want to be the Mom (thinks like

Making sure he does the things he should like do homework, get bed on time, go up with him to take a bath and make sure thing

Like picking up clothes and towels are done. She felt that at 5

He should do these things on his own. ‘He’s been told’ was

One thing she said to me.

Brant is 6 ½ years old

 

New baby is born in . Grandma asked to NOT come to hospital,

But to keep first son with her. Grandma concerned that grand-

Son should be a part of birth asked if grandson can come to see

New brother. He is allowed, but at the hospital grandma is

Asked to keep first son for a week so that new mother can

Acclimate with new baby. Grandma feels it is a big mistake,

But has no choice. Brant cries to go back home to be with

New baby. Finally is allowed home a week later.

Brant is never clean enough to even touch baby on his head,

While new mother kissed baby on lips. Step grandmother

Moves in with family to help care for new baby, but also

Treat Brant as if he was a big germ. Step mother with family

For 2 months. Daddy asks her to go home.

Step grand mother leaves. Mom goes to her parents home next

Day because she can’t coup. Mother bounces back and forth

For weeks, spending more time at her mother’s house then

At home.

Brant is 7 years old

Baby is now 10 months old, crawling on floor, but Brant still no

Clean enough to touch. Brant not allowed to touch baby toys,

But baby most be allow to play with Brant’s toys.

Brant is blamed for all things that go wrong at home. Brant is

Offered back to Grandma in front of him. Grandma has to tell

Mother that it would not be a good idea. (Grandma faced with

Undermining Dad or making Brant feel unwanted by Grandma

As well (Grandma feels she made a mistake and should have

Said yes)

(Hear say only) Mother becomes physical with Brant saying that

Brant became physical first. (not sure if Brant didn’t become

Physical first, but feel the adult should be the “the adult”)

Brant is sent to a lock down facility for children because mother

Says she is afraid of child. Brant spends 5 day in hospital and

Doctor’s find nothing wrong with child except deep depression.

Only problem is “family dynamic” and they need counseling

Brant allowed to come home from hospital put mother leaves

Until more counseling can be done. Mother moves out with

Baby. Mother tells Brant that she is moving out because Brant

Is such a bad child and will not move back until he is good.

Counseling started. Brant has his own counselor. Mom has her

Counselor Dad and Brant go to Family counselor (different one)

Brant has physiatrist he sees once a month. Family counselor

Felt that it was time to bring it together, so Dad and Mom meet

First. In first meeting, Mother is told she has to be an adult,

And walks out of meeting to never return.

Brant is 9 years old

Family is fractured. No divorce yet. Daddy is kept

from youngest son. Grand-parents are allow to see baby once in year and ½ . Daddy Waits to give Christmas presents to baby for 5 months. Grandma and Grandpa are still waiting.

Dad looses job because he is unable to do jobs as he was be-

Fore Mother leaves. (Some jobs start at 5 or 6 in morning and

Dad needs to get son on bus at 8) Dad still out 4 months later.

Bankruptcy and home is up for sell.

Brant no longer trusts anyone. Brant is full of fear, anger, and

Mistrust. Now he is on medications for Hyper activity, ADD, OCD, and ODD. Grandma cries at night for Brant and baby.

 

Now what do we do to repair this child.

 
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June 10, 2008, 12:32 pm PDT

Protect the other children

In the case regarding Donovan, the parents are responsible for ensuring the safety of the other children first and foremost, this child is clearly very disturbed and should not be around them.  You wouldn't let anyone around your kids you knew was dangerous and that should apply to other your other children too.
 
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June 10, 2008, 1:11 pm PDT

06/10 Deadly Kids

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In the case regarding Donovan, the parents are responsible for ensuring the safety of the other children first and foremost, this child is clearly very disturbed and should not be around them.  You wouldn't let anyone around your kids you knew was dangerous and that should apply to other your other children too.
Tori says she began noticing Donovan's dangerous behavior when she began dating Stephen. No way I'd bring that into my children's lives by getting married. Maybe children shouldn't always come first, but their safety certainly should.
 
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June 10, 2008, 1:21 pm PDT

bad egg?

Come on Dr Phil! Are you just trying to be nice and not tell these people Donovan is sick, very sick? If he is not a "bad egg" I don't know what is.

 

Sorry I disagree with all children being born with a clean slate. I know people who have had a rotten childhood turn out to be wonderful parents because they do NOT want to repeat what was done to them.

 

I believe people like Donovan are born that way. Just think of all that can go wrong while the brain is developing in utero.  I would never let him stay with me or my kids and put them in harms way. Sorry if anyone disagrees with me but this is MY opinion.

 
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June 10, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

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Come on Dr Phil! Are you just trying to be nice and not tell these people Donovan is sick, very sick? If he is not a "bad egg" I don't know what is.

 

Sorry I disagree with all children being born with a clean slate. I know people who have had a rotten childhood turn out to be wonderful parents because they do NOT want to repeat what was done to them.

 

I believe people like Donovan are born that way. Just think of all that can go wrong while the brain is developing in utero.  I would never let him stay with me or my kids and put them in harms way. Sorry if anyone disagrees with me but this is MY opinion.

I have to agree with you!

 

I do believe that some children are simply born bad....and I believe these kids shown today are some of them. Look in their eyes and it's like looking into a black hole. I seriously doubt if any intervention will do any good.....but, I truly hope that I'm wrong and that there somehow is hope for these kids.

 

I'll tell you one thing, though:  I would NEVER lock myself in my room out of fear of my own child....or stepchild...or any child, for that matter. My house, MY rules!! What the hell does that kid do when his mother is locked in her room? Whoopee...he has the place all to himself to wreak havoc...which, I'm sure, is his goal.

 

I'm really tired of parents letting kids rule. The goal of these parents HAS to be to get them out of the house and into an in-house treatment facility where they cannot harm anyone. Permanently, if necessary!

 
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June 10, 2008, 2:13 pm PDT

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Tori said that Donovan began acting out when she and Stephen first started dating. For me, that would be a deal-breaker. Especially if he were already threatening my own children. Not only wouldn't I have married Stephen. I would've broken off the relationship.

Boy, I'm with you on that one!!

 

Your children's safety and well-being should always be put first...no man is worth putting ahead of that. After all, your child has no ability to chose his/her own living situation; as a parent you are responsible for making sure it's a healthy and safe environment.

 

I have seen such rage in children today....and it's getting worse. A big part of it, I believe is because of the selfish, immature, lazy, and absolutely clueless parents they are stuck with who make horrible choices based solely on what they want, and the kids are left totally adrift.

 
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June 10, 2008, 2:30 pm PDT

very upset over the carrie and lance story with michael

I wish Dr. Phil would have done more reseacrh on this couple with their child.  While there is no doubt that Michael is very disturbed, Dr. Phil should have inquired about the parents mental health history (i.e drugs consumed during pregnancy, maternal mental health history...etc).  If the parents would be straight forward regarding their own issues, it would benefit Michael more........ I only wish I would have seen the show on the original air date........I hope for Michael's sake, everything comes out. 
 
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June 10, 2008, 2:32 pm PDT

Between a rock and a hard place....

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My lil 8 year old boy has the best smile on earth and the most precious face. He has been talking steadily since he was born making all sorts of sounds and babble ,he has the imagination of a future author to be and can go to any world in his mind. His large motor skills are beyong those of his age, his small motor skills are behind by at least 2-3 years and he is just starting to learn to read. He has just learned to hold a pencil.

This is his DX: He is BI-POLAR, Attachment disorder, ODD, and possibly early on-set shizophrenia. Is there a possibility if border line autism? Maybe. He has a high IQ and is cunning.

He has serious asthma and is on madications for that is advair, albuteral zyrtac and a nose spray nasennex.[ he has a nebulizer when things get too bad  In psychiatric meds, he has lamictal ,clonidine  Seroquel and when he gets so violent he will kill you and anyone he comes in contact with, we do GIVE HIM ketamine *K*  as the physicians call this hard medication. He is alergic to everything as  is his brother. he is an active kid and loves the outdoors and bike and rides and runs around and screams and plays harder than most. His older brother age 13 is not violent and is calm and .

The 8 year old is in a special school with a room if he acts up that is padded for the school staff to put him into so he does not hurt himself or anyone else.

Remember he is a precious child when not inflamed with hate and anger fear.

he has beat me and kicked me so hard I had bruises on my legs for weeks and at times I am scared to pieces of him. I am unable to take him to church because of his un-predictability and he would scare the lil ones to pieces. He has hardly any friends in the neighborhood. He never has anyone show up to his birthday party. He will fight just about anyone and threaten them with their lives.

My husband and I cannot leave him with a regular sitter, we have to have professioanl sitters who know how to handle this kid and NOT hurt him and know how to restrain him accordingly.  WE had CPS called on us at a lab one time because we had to restrain him for a blood draw and the lab tecnician refised to draw blood from the child because he was afraid of the child and so I threatened his job and he came back at me. CPS came in and knew about the child and said " Oh this lil guy"  I get the bruises and the child is fine. For all blood draws now they sedate him. For teeth fillings they use anesthesia and for me they use " Oh honey we admire you" really?

I /we do not want to lose this child and we struggle daily to weekly to hold on tight to this human being who we know can turn out to be a bit different in many ways. he is very VERY violent and yet he can be a pussy cat too. We do not keep any guns in the house, we would be dead by now and knives are carefully maintained. We have 4 cats and one dog. When he gets angry we have taught him if he hurts an animal we call the police. We have called the police on hurting humans and have had to call them when he refused to take his meds when he tore the hosue apart from one end to the next. A piece of dust set him off. CPS is now looking into respite care for my husband and I so we can go out once a month.. maybe. I trust no one with him , he is hard to handle and if he got hurt I would come apart. OR for that matter if anyone else got hurt I would come apart.. hell this is hard...

Boy, you really have a tough situation on your hands, and I truly feel for you. But, at the same time, I have to wonder if he would not be better off in a treatment facility, only because you are not medically qualified to give him the psychiatric treatment he needs, nor are you able to restrain him as he will need to be as he gets older and stronger. He's only 8 now....what will you do when he is able to overpower you? You're already afraid for your life, and you and everyone else who comes into contact with him is afraid.

 

You say you have threatened to call the police if he hurts the cats and dog....and does that work? If it does, why doesn't he respond to that threat regarding humans? (I have to wonder if he does hurt those animals when you aren't looking.)

 

Sometimes, you just have to make tough choices for the good of everyone.

 
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June 10, 2008, 2:36 pm PDT

My child

My stepson is 4 almost 5. His real mother did all kinds of drugs when she was pregnant with him, then after he was born, kept him drugged to keep him alseep. When he got old enough to walk she would lock him in a dark room all day, or tie him to a tree with a rope. Yes his dad tried MANY times to get custody of him but the courts wouldnt give him to his dad. Untill she tied him to a dock (the people next door saw all this) and he fll him and drowned. They had to revive him. They have no idea how long he as out. They took him to the hospital. They did NO testing because he was up running around.   This is just some of my stepson's history.  We've had custody of him for almost 3 yrs. Let me tell you unless you live with this child, you have no idea. You can't make this child happy, no matter what you do. He throws fits 99% of the day. He wont play with anything any longer than 30 secounds, then he breaks it. My husband and I had a baby together, and we caught him with a pillow over the babys face. We asked why he did this he said "Because you have to feed him". Talking about punishment, there is NO form that works with this child. We have tried everything. Getting back to the never happy. You can give him 24 hr attention and yet he is still screaming, crying, throwing things, breaking things. You name it he does it. He cant sit still for more than a min. We never have a normal day in our house. If you tell him, to stop, its like his brain doesnt process it. Because in 20 sec he is right back doing what you got on to him for.  We dont let him play with may kids, because they are scared of him. He will bite them, pick up anything and throw it or wack them with a stick. Beats animals. We can not leave him alone with his brother who is 11 months old now. We took him to get some help, and they act like I am making all this up. They put him on Risperdal .25 mg,  twice a day, and Clonidine .1 mg  at bed time. The Risperdal helped a little. The Clondine helps to get him to settle down enough where what use to take us 4 hrs to get him to go to sleep to a hr. The Risperdal here lately seemed to be doing nothing. Because he was like I never gave it to him. So I told the doctor and she told me it was the best out there and other than waiting to he is 5 theres nothing else to do. She said he has RAD and ADHD. I love this child, and my husband, but I have had about all I can handle. My nerves are shot. Like i said there is no normal day in our home, unless he is not here.
 
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June 10, 2008, 2:36 pm PDT

Parents get a clue

 cndrilla, I totally agree with you, no man or woman is worth these kinds of problems.  The husband sits there like a poor mope that has not clue why this has happened.  I must have missed the first part of the show, where is the biological mother?  If you have a kid like this you spend 24/7 and all your resources on the child, not on dating and another womans children.  This woman should hit the road with her children.  Dr. Phil is very patient with these people. 
 
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