Topic : 10/17 Sexual Predators?

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Created on : Tuesday, October 16, 2007, 03:42:12 pm
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You've read the headlines, now watch the story about a crime so heinous some would rather see the suspect dead than in jail. The manhunt for the nation's most wanted alleged pedophile ended last night as fugitive Chester Stiles, accused in the videotaped molestation of a three-year-old girl, was arrested outside Las Vegas. Stiles had been wanted since October 5 on warrants issued for 21 felony charges in connection with acts seen on the videotape. Could you spot a child predator? Is your family at risk? Be there when Dr. Phil tells you the warning signs to watch for -- you'll be shocked! Plus, the reported victim's mother breaks her silence in an exclusive interview with Dr. Phil. Then, hear what Stiles' ex-girlfriend's son has to say, and what the victim remembers about the attack. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Don't miss this breaking news Dr. Phil Now. Join the discussion.

To find registered sex offenders in your area, visit familywatchdog.us.

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October 18, 2007, 5:09 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

ITS A BUNCH OF CRAP TO THINK THAT THIS CHILD ISN'T AFFECTED.  I KNOW FROM PERSONL EXPERIENCE THAT IT WILL AFFECT HER.  ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE BECOMES OLDER AND CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY SHE HAS RESERVATIONS OR FEELINGS OF TIMIDNESS OR TRUST ISSUES WITH MEN.,  SHE WILL BE ABLE TO DETECT IN MOST MEN AND IT WILL MAKE HER SICK.  THE MOTHER NEEDS TO GET THAT CHILD HELP NOW AND NOT WAIT UNTIL PROBLEMS START TO MANIFEST.
 

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October 18, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

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because thats what they learned by there father or mother or others  they  were  kids  too  n  was  baddly  shown n they hurt too as a child 
This response seems like the writer is generalizing the whole thing. Not all sexual predators of children were themselves abused.  Some sociopaths do this too. I'm sure there are many causative factors and sometimes people are just evil. I personally do not believe that Sex Offenders can be truly rehabilitated. I heard a sex offender speak once and he admitted knowing he was driven towards unacceptable sexual behavior and it made him sick to be hurting children so he had himself castrated.  He knew he couldn't control himself so he took a drastic measure. I give that man credit for knowing himself well enough to do what he had to to protect the innocent from him. Personally I think thats the only way to stop the problem for many of these predators.
 
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October 18, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

I am a bit confused

On today's show the mother of this poor little girl explained that her daughter showed no physical signs of this attack. How does a 34 year old man rape a 2-3 year old girl, and not leave behind massive vaginal trauma? I am just really confused about this. How can there not be clear-cut signs of an incident of this horrific nature?
 

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October 18, 2007, 5:33 pm PDT

Not all Sexual Offenders are Pedophiles

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There is a link on Dr. Phil's page for Family Watchdog, I suggest everyone check it out... My 3 1/2 year old goes to YMCA preschool and the facility is surrounded by apt building.  There is a registered sex offender that lives 100 yards from the facility... I want to bring it up but don't know how to go about this... PLUS there is a elementary school less than 1/2 mile from the apt... we live in a upper class neighborhood and never would have thought a sex offender would live there.

There still needs to be some work done with the registeries information about who is registered and just what the person was convicted of. Not everyone on the Sex Offender Registry presents the same degree of threat to the society. I know because I work in Law Enforcement. Some of the offenders were charged with statuatory rape because they had a sexual relationship with someone who was less than 16 years of age and there was more than two years difference in their ages. I really HATE these kinds of cases. One case I handled was between 2 high school students. He was 20 years old (a senior) and she was 15 (a freshman.) They mutually engaged in a sexual relationship but when the girls' parents found out they demanded an arrest. She knew he was older than her because he was a senior but he had no way of knowing how old she was. He didn't ask, why should he? Most kids don't know the law pertaining to statuatory rape. They think "consent," is a willing participant.

 

Don't be afraid to share the information you have with the YMCA staff, they probably have no idea. At least they would know to be diligent in supervising the children.

 

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October 18, 2007, 5:46 pm PDT

You have to consider the "actual" facts

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On today's show the mother of this poor little girl explained that her daughter showed no physical signs of this attack. How does a 34 year old man rape a 2-3 year old girl, and not leave behind massive vaginal trauma? I am just really confused about this. How can there not be clear-cut signs of an incident of this horrific nature?
The legal definition of Rape is different from what you may understand Rape to be. Legally "Sexual Assault" (AKA Rape) is broken down into categories according to what actually took place. Sexual Assault 1st involves "intercourse" which includes vaginal, anal, and oral intercourse with penetration by a penis, finger, or some other item. So... it's possible that the child's vagina  was not penetrated  by the man's penis. He could have penetrated her with his fingers, had oral sex with her, or just touched and rubbed her private areas. You need more details...beware of assumptions they may be wrong.
 

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October 18, 2007, 6:17 pm PDT

Report or Not to report?

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I fully agree with you in that there are sick, cruel and evil people who WILL encourage their children to lie, even about something as repulsive as this.  In my opinion, they are no better than the pedophiles.  They are, however, the defense attorney's dream come true. Without physical evidence, an independent witness, or, a video tape...well, short of a confession, there's the defense...the mother coached them.  That was played against me, the defense said I could have coached them...not even at trial...there was none.  There was no Grand Jury either...an arrest, an indictment, he met bail...and my children, my husband and I went through 6 months of hell, only for a dismissal...could not prove the case.

What is one to do?  It has been 7 years, and I still don't know the answer.  I believed my children then, and do so till this day.  Without ever SEEING it, or suspecting anything, I'm as sure as one can be...but can I prove it?  No!  Did I coach them?  NO!  But, can I prove to anyone that I did not?  Again, NO!!

People seem to think that all child molestation can be seen by the mother..."don't you bathe them? " Well, in our case, it was oral sex...my 10 year old boy could accurately descibe the taste, texture, process of emission, and temperature of sperm...how could he know this?  How could you see it?  Same with my 12 year old daughter...how could she know?  Well, I could have drilled it into them...I did not...but how can I prove that?  My history was clean, never accused anyone of anything...never called the police in 46 years of my life...not one police report...so I had no negative background.  My children were never in trouble, well behaved, top students, no fights, no tattling in school.  They had a pretty good past, but it's not enough.  My husband never had an incident with the police, short of reporting his license plates stolen....the police even found them, so his hands were clean.  Not clean enough.  He was also the inferred abuser...the kids could be naming someone else to protect their father...They were evaluated by a therapist...I went to a specialist in the field...his opinion, it happened, and was done by whom they said...operative word being opinion, expert opinion, yet he could not testify beyond that...he saw nothing.  He did treat them, he holds a license in our State without a blemish for 25 years, but his evaluation of their progress was again, his opinion.

It is obvious to me that our whole system needs an overhaul in the legal process of sexual abuse of children.  If your case is too weak, why can't the D.A. just tell you that?  Why bring in Childrens' Services to make in home visits, why re-interview young children multiple times, if there is slim hope to convict.  That, too is as cruel and evil as the false allegations, or the acts of the pedophile....these are children...not hardened criminals.  Parents bringing their children to a therapist and reporting are also very vulnerable...it's horrid, it's heartbraking....do decent parents deserve that?  In seeking justice for what I believed to be a henious crime, I lost all respect for the system.  Worse than that, so did my children...at 17 and 19, they fear the law, just do not trust it.  That's a hell of an outcome, yet it happens all too often.  I cannot buy into this mindset that tells us we must report to save others.  Who did we save?  The creep went on to have 2 little girls of his own, he lost nothing, but the lawyer's fee...and that served no purpose of benefit to anyone, other than to the lawyer's bank book.  Sorry, but I resent having my children further exploited to fund a defense attorney....and that is ALL it did.  Yet, as you have pointed out...you HAVE to be sure, and there HAS to be evidence, to protect the innocent.  So how about getting into some serious lobbying to amend these mandated reporting laws?  We can't, nor would we want to, erase reasonable doubt as a criteria for guilt...we cannot lower the burden of proof.  So why not lower the burden to the victims and to their families?  Don't give us this false hope of a case being a slam dunk, when you know damn well it's not?  Why force reporting on to professionals when in the final analysis, their opinion holds very little water?  IF there is an accusation made concerning a person having access to  the child/ren, or if the children state the abuse to be ongoing, then, yes, by all means, report...better to error on the side of caution.  However, when it's been kept a "SPECIAL SECRET"...and the person no longer is permitted in the home, why not let the children heal, in peace, minus the dog and pony show, that can do nothing but cause more problems.  My opinion, if it can't get to a jury, then it should not be reported.  IF law enforcement can guarentee a trial for a report, that's fair.  When that day comes, I'll change my mind about reporting.  Until then, there are times where it serves no purpose...Had we been given a trial, the jury would have been the last word....I can accept that.  When you do the right thing, and are denied your day in court, exactly for the reasons you have brought forth, then it becomes the wrong thing...The system is flawed.  This was long silenced, and with the good coming from opening it up, there comes the bad...that being the scum who play the cards to get even with another, or to score points in a divorce.  Because the "open ness" is relatively new, the system doesn't know what to do with it.  Unless they figure it out, I predict this going back into the dark ages of keeping quiet.  If mandated reporting is not modified to truly be "in the best interest of the child", victims will be denied much needed treatment...EVERYONE who knows of my case has said they'd NEVER put their children or themselves through that, only to get nothing..no Grand Jury, no trial...just a real circus at the expense of two young kids...kids I believe to be telling the truth....the unproven truth.

I am so sorry you had such a painful experience with the "Criminal JusticeSystem." You are right....sometimes reporting does not bring justice. Not because professionals don't want to hold offenders accountable but because they can't always. You're right, taking a sexual assault to trial is a long and difficult process for everyone, but mostly for the victims. Think about it...the demand for repeated disclosure of the allegations, all the societal agencies getting involved in your personal life and in some ways taking the parents control of the situation away from them, and the medical exams are sometimes just as traumatic as the sexual offense. Then there's the court testimony and reliving the incident. The defense is sure to "blame" the victim(s) and dig up any personal information they can in the suspects defense. I cannot blame anyone for not wanting to pursue charges for sexual assaults.  I'm not absolutely certain I'd have to fortitude to stand up to the inquisition. Perhaps taking care of yourself and your family, in any way you deem appropriate, is enough. People should know that they have a right to the decision of whether or not to press charges. Even if a child protective services unit contacts you and investigates allegations of sexual abuse, you still can refuse to provide information to police for the purpose of pressing charges.
 
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October 18, 2007, 6:20 pm PDT

I agree

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 You missed the point. I apoligize if you feelt I was refering to your situation directly. i was not but was making a general statement of why it is so dangerous this day in time for a parent to touch their own child with out fear. A small child does not get themself clean when they are diaper age and sometimes older. Who is to make sure their hygine is proper, especially in cases of rashes and the application of medication? By experience this can easily be turned around by a spouse or officials to be different than what it actually is. Experience has also shown many women will stop at nothing when it comes to custody of their children. It is simply a gamble and one had better hope and pray their spouse would never lower themsef to that level. Everyone then looses.

I understand where you are coming from. I thought that you misread what I wrote.

It is shameless that a parent would stoop to such a level. It compromises the

child's mental health when such false accusations are made.

 

I personally believe that a shared parenting plan should be mandatory when

people file for divorce and should only be amended if both parents agree.

Sole custody should only be awarded under certain circumstances. It should

be a rarity as opposed to common practice.

 

Any accusations found to be false in a situation where the parent can be proved

to have intentionally lied should be prosecuted. 

 

  

 

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October 18, 2007, 6:31 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

Quote From: realandred

   What happened to Stilles as a child to  make him grow up and  to do such a horrible thing. I have been fortunate enough to have loving parents so it is hard for me to comprehend a perverted mind.   This world seems to be getting more and more perverted everyday.  I grew up in a world where you could still trust for the most part ,most people.  The world is so angry now that its not safe to sit on your front porch and sometimes not safe in your own home. Scriptures tell us justlike Sodom and Gomorah so shall it be
in the last days. We might be closer than we know.
Sexual immoralities have been with us since the beginning of time. There were lots of references to it in the Bible. In biblical times the guardians of the harems were castrated men (eunuchs), to prevent problems with them being tempted around the women. There's really "nothing new under the sun." I don't know if the problems are now more prevalent or if technology has made it so everyone can know everything instead of not knowing because it doesn't touch your life. I have also wondered if we are in the "last days."
 
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October 18, 2007, 10:22 pm PDT

How Sad

I am the mother of 2 beautiful girls who are now teenagers, one doing her 2nd year in University and my youngest finishing her grade 12. I have raised my 2 daughters from the ages of 4 and 2 alone after their "father" sexually molested them. At the time that this was disclosed, they were staying with "his" babysitter on his week with them. I had to stand in a room and watch my 2 and 4 year old have their first "Internal" exam because of this disgusting person. I truly believe that the laws need to listen more to the children and put these sick "people" away.

After watching the show on Wednesday it stirred up alot of closed off feelings and I honestly hope he rots in hell for what he did to that little girl.

 

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October 18, 2007, 10:24 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

Quote From: skydreamer

First of all this so called 'man' WILL go to prison!  And in his case what goes around comes around!  We all know what happens to 'men' like this!  He WILL be raped just like he raped that little girl! I feel not one shred of pitty for him!  He is sick!

 

For those that think Mom should have known, well YOU have NEVER gone through anything even close to this!  YOU have no idea how a children can and DO hide this.  I know because once upon a time I was this child!  My Mom never new untill I told her!!!!!!!  And NO she is and was not and never will be a bad MOM!  So please do NOT GO THERE!!

Yes, He will go to prison (unless his attorney gets him "off"), but it is my understanding that pedophiles are not put in with the general prison population.  For some reason, even the most hardened criminal is repulsed and incensed by actions of a pedophile; thus many will do physical harm to them, including horrendous rape (which seems fair and just deserts), or even murder (remember the Catholic priest?).
 

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