Topic : 10/17 Sexual Predators?

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Created on : Tuesday, October 16, 2007, 03:42:12 pm
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You've read the headlines, now watch the story about a crime so heinous some would rather see the suspect dead than in jail. The manhunt for the nation's most wanted alleged pedophile ended last night as fugitive Chester Stiles, accused in the videotaped molestation of a three-year-old girl, was arrested outside Las Vegas. Stiles had been wanted since October 5 on warrants issued for 21 felony charges in connection with acts seen on the videotape. Could you spot a child predator? Is your family at risk? Be there when Dr. Phil tells you the warning signs to watch for -- you'll be shocked! Plus, the reported victim's mother breaks her silence in an exclusive interview with Dr. Phil. Then, hear what Stiles' ex-girlfriend's son has to say, and what the victim remembers about the attack. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Don't miss this breaking news Dr. Phil Now. Join the discussion.

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November 1, 2007, 5:59 pm PDT

Happ Holidays ( if you can)

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Wow...can I relate to your pain of that grandchild.  I learned that I have two...both little girls....the older will be 5, I think in February, the younger, I know will be 2, but I'm not sure if it's Jan or Feb.  My daughter and I were closeasthis...and I too, have been told to move on...and put this behind me....in living, I suppose that's what we do.  As parents, you just don't stop loving your child...and to know of a coming (or existing ) grandchild you'll never see...well, we know that pain...

I lost mine to a predator of one nature, you lost  yours to the other kind.  How can people like that live with themselves?  I know I couldn't, and would not leave one stone unturned until I made things right.  I guess to people like that, this is right...they get to keep it all and care not of the expense to another human being.

You are right about the process being so different even City to City...smaller towns command fewer votes, and offer fewer jobs.  Very often, the professionals with the best credentials go for the bigger cities...as the volume does make for a better salary. 

The mandated reporting laws are very serious in New York...you can't play with it...but very often these reports are better coming from a professional, as they have no ax to grind...but again, your well taken point...training!  If it's not the correct training, without the education to back it up, well, it's flawed.  I know that I heard this from my son, and ran to a professional.  As his mother, I believed him, and I saw such emotion, but I'm not objective...that was/is my baby...so lacking both objectivity and training, I turned for help. Our professional had a license, in New York, untarnished, for at that time, 20 years.  He holds a PhD. in child psychology, so I valued his opinion.....he validated both of my children, yet he could only give a professional OPINION, as he saw nothing, and could not serve as an eye witness...and we needed that..or something more.  We had nothing else...so many people think you can see sexual abuse, but only certain acts leave anything visable...you can't see evidence of oral sex...and not years later.  It IS a catch 22, and it needs a better balance.  My opinion is that there is not a continuum to get to that place of balance...it's either sweep it under the rug, or a witch hunt of sensationalism...it sells papers, but it really does not address this very serious problem.  It ebbs and flows, but it does not receive the right attention.  It's like ALL or nothing, and neither is good, neither are working.  I'm beginning to think that there really is no definitive answer...lacking evidence, it's a "he said, she said".  As a mother, do I like the fact that a man I believe to be guilty of a capital crime went free?  NO!   Yet, when I hear of a situation like yours, I don't like that either.  Both of us have had portions of our families destroyed, as have a good number of others posting on this forum.  Problem being, it is NEVER over, it is generational...now we pass this to our grandchildren.  Want some advice from an old pro?  Do NOT listen to Gloria Estaphan's Christmas carrol"I WANT TO SEE CHRISTMAS THROUGH YOUR EYES", this season unless you want to be a zombie....I 'm not sure I'm ready now...but three years ago, I had to run outside and drive for a while...it made me want to die!  I put on a Rod Stewart CD, and let Maggie May take my mind back to being 14 and happy...and I could forget XMAS...until I saw the decorations on the houses...believe me, this is the gift that keeps on giving...it's one with a "NO REFUND" polocy, and I'd really like to give it back! 

You get married, raise a family, and look for these moments.  God, how it hurts when they are stolen from you.  I'll think of you this Jan. and hope you are O.K.  It gets easier, as I'm sure you know...but does it ever really stop hurting?  I hope so, but I'm not putting money on it!

 Kathleen,
                   I sincerely wish you joy this holiday season.This time of year and birthdays are extreemly difficult.
I would dissapear under a rock if I could, but I can't. My mother, other family members and a son from another marriage do not need my pain to become the center of attention. This is a time for family and for us to be together. I would rather be alone and just cry, instead I put on a happy face and pretend to be happy. Anyway, I am getting away from the topic and about myself. I have enjoyed our dialog, as it does help to talk about it. Best wishes. I am retiring from this thread, but I do plan on posting on some other issues. Thank You!
 

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November 5, 2007, 8:22 am PST

"Just Don't Understand It"

Dr.Phil,
  I'm a Mother of 6 children and have 1 grandson. For the life of me, I just don't understand it of how any man or woman could Molest newborns through young Teenager's. I myself was abused sexually, mentally, emotionally, verbably, physically since I was 7yrs.old through age of 17yrs.old, by my stepdad and I moved out of the home at age 17yrs.old. I found out in Consuling that my Subconcious Mind, that I chose my Mates to be of what I saw and endured as a child. It is hard for me to find the right man now and I'm 44yrs.old and been Single now for 2 1/2yrs., by my choice. I know the Molester's, Abuser's, Rapest out there don't understand the long term effects they do to that person. I would like to know what actually goes through there minds that would drive them to it and why??
                                                                               Sincerly,
                                                                                              Tamura B.
                                                                                               Hudsonville, Mi.

 

 
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November 5, 2007, 11:11 am PST

It Proves You Are SANE!

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Dr.Phil,
  I'm a Mother of 6 children and have 1 grandson. For the life of me, I just don't understand it of how any man or woman could Molest newborns through young Teenager's. I myself was abused sexually, mentally, emotionally, verbably, physically since I was 7yrs.old through age of 17yrs.old, by my stepdad and I moved out of the home at age 17yrs.old. I found out in Consuling that my Subconcious Mind, that I chose my Mates to be of what I saw and endured as a child. It is hard for me to find the right man now and I'm 44yrs.old and been Single now for 2 1/2yrs., by my choice. I know the Molester's, Abuser's, Rapest out there don't understand the long term effects they do to that person. I would like to know what actually goes through there minds that would drive them to it and why??
                                                                               Sincerly,
                                                                                              Tamura B.
                                                                                               Hudsonville, Mi.

 

I, too cannot imagine the desire to have any form of sexual contact with a child.  Honestly, until it happened to my younger two children, at the hands of a VERY MUCH LOVED AND TRUSTED family member, I did NOT believe it to be rampant, actually thought it to be very uncommon, and to be a crime committed by persons who looked crazy...or wild...acted wierd...something!  I was wary of cars, the vans...obvious odd balls, all the things that I was taught in school.  How naive I was, and how wrong.  This is an unseeable mental disorder.  It has degrees, some greater and going into other abuses, much like your father.  Often. it is confined to acts with children that are purely sexual, not violent, or verbal.  Sadly, these people are often very nice on the surface, to children...they appear to be supportive and very often emotionally  connected to the child.  Chester Stiles is like the stage 4 cancer of the disease....he has gone so far out of control that if he's not put away, I fear he will kill someone.  They don't all get like that.  Whatever is in the brain chemistry is the mis-fire that sets them off.  It doesn't help that there  is a Pedophile friendly website...NAMBLA, The North American Man Boy Love Association,,,taken to court to be shut down, only to win the right to exist under the First Amendment.  Until our tragedy, I had no idea of NAMBLA....my daughter did a paper for her sociology class, the professor also, knew nothing of them.  That makes me sick!  I always was active in the school's P.T.A....we had speakers on drugs, alcohal, AIDS, dealing with a Gay child...yet not one mention of NAMBLA..  All parents and educators should be made aware of this, although you can't shut them down, you will learn where  anyone having such an urge can turn to feel normal....it's like a negative support group.  Take A.A.  it helps to lead alcoholics to recovery, this group promotes the act...they LOVE children, would never hurt them!  It really threw me to learn what depravity is influencing our society.  Very scary, very wrong. 

There is good coming from victims opening up...talking helps, but it is unfair that only the victims and their families have taken the proper steps to deal with this totally abnormal condition.  There is reaearch into this, that does hold hope for a recovery, thereby refuting the negative absolutes that all will offend again...some will, some won't.  The victims should not  be held to the old notions, as if their rapist never offends again, will they be discredited?  The research contrary to the old, is often seen as being pro-pedophile, when nothing is further from the truth.  If it were given more note, than more victims may be believed, and a greater scope could be warned....they are not all alike.  They do not have to re-offend, yet once a person offends, the crime is as great to the victim...you don't need numbers to be a pedophile.

I wish that since we, the victims and families who stand beside them, were joined in our progression, by the laws, the release of newer scientific findings, and an public exposure of NAMBLA.  Good that the intenet predators are being publicized, and also, the disgusting kiddie porn rings...yet, it's not enough.  These are all in the Stage 4.....there is a better chance to catch them.  The more discreet, more intelligent pedophiles don't go near these arenas for fear of exposure...but they have NAMBLA...legal and a "how to" manual for pedophiles to be successful! 

Why aren't we better informed, and what is keeping the low profile of the" quiet "predators?  This is NOT normal....it cannot be conceived in a healthy mind....My opinion is that we are entitled to ALL of the information that is out there...whether one agrees with the research is not important...that is up to the individual.  It's hard to understand, but the more publicized all information, we may begin to get a better handle on it.  So many of them get off because they do not fit the profiles, and it is only now that we are being told, moreso by victims, that this is in families, done by people we know, love and could not suspect, until it is too late.  Sociopaths,  they come in degrees, some hide it well, but you cannot grow a conscience.  I believe that is also a part of there sick minds.  Will it ever END? 

 
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November 5, 2007, 8:24 pm PST

Something doesn't make sense here.

I realize that this topic is old, but I have been wondering how a mother of a 2 1/2 year old did not know what was going on.  All my children at that age were not completely potty trained and required at least one diaper changing a day.  I cannot believe that the physical trauma to that little girl's vaginal area would not be incredibly obvious.  I agree that this horrible disgusting man should be executed in the most painful way possible, but when the mother stated that she didn't know because her little girl didn't say anything and acted normal just doesn't fly.  How could she not see the blatent physical damage that had to have been there on such a little girl. Something just doesn't make sense here. 

 
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November 15, 2007, 12:27 pm PST

10/17 Sexual Predators?

Unfortunately these animals cannot or do not want to be fixed. Even more of a problem is that when they go to prison they are place on protective custody so that other inmates cannot confront them for who they really are  and make them step up to the plate as the men that they cannot be. If they had to walk the mainline in prison the eco system in prison would take care of itself and only the strong would survive. It would not be the preditors, being the weak S-Bs they are. Instead, they hide in protective custody afraid, not willing to walk with hard criminals, shaking in thier tracks daily being parolled to victimize the first inocent child they come accross. I say the laws need to be changed, double bunk these chesters on the mainline to make room in our prison system. Let the eco system work naturally and even consider early release for those that finish justice for our small victims that cannot defend themselves.
 

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November 20, 2007, 8:45 am PST

digusting...

I think the worst thing about predators, other then the fact that they are human garbage, is that people forget that women are predators too.  We see so many predators that are men, but the reality of it is...that women are predators too....I know this first hand.  I have been molested by both man and woman at a younger age, both family members. I've been seeing it more and more in the school systems of women molesting our children.  And that is exactly what it is, preying on children and then trying to call it LOVE. Sad sad sad.  These women as predator men are, controlling, manipulating  and sick. And are using these children for their sick pleasure.  I think that our society is so messed up when it comes to dealing with these type of people. (and I use people very loosely).  There needs to be serious consequences   for them...predators get less for molesting children ...then they give for hurting animals or lying in the court of law (ARE WE FOR REAL)...I will not ever understand why this is the way....I really just wish there was someone in real power to put an end to this...and I know that some children never come forward, because of fear that most of these people never see a court room let along a jail cell.  I say put them on an island and blow them the hell up...but do you know how big that island would have to be...so sad just so very sad!!!:(
 
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December 2, 2007, 9:15 pm PST

I agree!!!!!!

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Unfortunately these animals cannot or do not want to be fixed. Even more of a problem is that when they go to prison they are place on protective custody so that other inmates cannot confront them for who they really are  and make them step up to the plate as the men that they cannot be. If they had to walk the mainline in prison the eco system in prison would take care of itself and only the strong would survive. It would not be the preditors, being the weak S-Bs they are. Instead, they hide in protective custody afraid, not willing to walk with hard criminals, shaking in thier tracks daily being parolled to victimize the first inocent child they come accross. I say the laws need to be changed, double bunk these chesters on the mainline to make room in our prison system. Let the eco system work naturally and even consider early release for those that finish justice for our small victims that cannot defend themselves.
I agree.  Unfortunately, I was a victim of child molestation and it's sad that such a thing exsist.   what is even more sad is that people are in denial of  their friends being a sick person and don't have the balls to speak up and get theses people off the streets. I really wish that I had the means to travel and speak to children that have had to endure such a horrible crime! I think these people need to be put on blast and stop hiding behind " I DON'T KNOW WHY I DO IT" . These are sick people who does not need to be a part of society! 
 
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December 8, 2007, 6:12 pm PST

sexully abusd child all grown up

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  Sadly for some children, the family never listens to them, as no one wants to believe that it would happen, or that it is very real. If the child tells, then they get punished, but not the one that did it. No matter what they say or do, they are the ones considered no good, and what the other person did is covered up. The subject is closed as far as the family is concerned, but not the child, and years later, that child within the now adult does feel for those that go through this. Sexual Predators are very sick people, and children need the protection adults can give, if they are willing. You would be surprised how many adults will turn a blind eye. I know it is not an easy path for a child if the family is not there for them, but it is a big help for those that have family that stand by them. Some predators are not caught, no matter how much you may try to get others to listen. Some stand by the predator. Sometimes I wonder why anyone would stand by the predator and the victim is no longer family to them. Everyone is different, and we all choose our own path in the end. I hope more children that go through this are capable of becoming adults that do have a good healthy relationship, and not go the path many choose of drugs, alcohol etc. A child is vunerable and needs the family more than ever at these times. They need to know they are still loved and not an outcast in their own family.

  I feel more predators are being caught today and that is something long over due.

  I have been there and really feel for those children that go through anything similar or worse. It is a difficult thing to live with, and yet you do. I moved forward in my life, but have met many that did not. This is a show I plan to watch!

   You are right. When yo are abused by a family member for 10 yrs and you told and it was misunderstood by some and ignored by others but told to be a  "good girl " but not being llowed to be one. That does make you feel like a " black sheep". This is really affecting my life, marriage, and my son's life. I wish I had someone to help me. I get so frustrated I am hard to get along with. I feel hopeless and have done desparate things. My mom was killed in May 2007 and she was my best friend.
 
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December 15, 2007, 7:21 pm PST

This man is very ill

Chester Stiles is a sick man - and the only thing I can think - is that he himself was sexually abused as a child....Unfortunately - when a child is abused - they end up as an adult - going one way or the other.  Either they themselves become sexually agressive/sleeping with every tom dick and harry - or jane sue and mary...or they despise the act of sex themselves.  I myself was molested by three different men from the age of 4 until 18.  Two of those men were respected men - and monopolized most of it.  One from 4 until 9 - and then the other from 9 to 18.  There was another man that just fondled me three or four times....yet still - it was tramatic.  I married a very kind, loving, generous man - but because of this - I couldn't be the wife I was intended to be....after we were married - sex mostly sickened me.  So I used it to manipulate.  ALL of this was the outcome of what had happened, to me.  I finally in my 20's told the family - and I got different responses.  Some very negative - some understanding.  Recently - I've had  a change of heart regarding people like the ones who hurt me.  I've seen men pee in the park and get arrested and labeled sex offender - I've seen young women at the age of 18  - sleep with a 17 year old boy - consenting to this - and the girl gets sent to prison - labeled a sex offender.  Me - I'd be the FIRST to stand up for the molested child....but when I see the SYSTEM arrest people and ruin their lives - because they THINK someone is a sex offender....and NOT categorize the actual change.....I'm turned off by the "SYSTEM"....Lets find a way to really categorize this offense...and not just keep throwing people in prison - because the prisons are making money now.  WISCONSIN gets $37,000 a year for a prisoner - that gets NOTHING...and I believe that they just want to put people away now - to get the money.....It used to be - they tried to keep people OUT of prisons...now they don't.  We have enough crimes in our country and people get tickets for speeding, parking on the wrong side of the street - all kinds of things - LABELED sex offenders for slapping somebody on the butt....Lets get it straight - once and for all.  Lets look for the REAL CRIMINALS - and stop trying to put everybody behind bars.....Some of things things are turning into a smoke screen - and it protects the real sickos....like Chester...He was free much too long..
 
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December 24, 2007, 6:05 pm PST

As A mother

I cannot believe what happened to that little girl. I remember watching the news and they were getting ready to do the breaking news and say her picture and heard her name. When I heard what had happened to her I started to cry. I have an almost 3 year old daughter and only imagined what she was going through. My daughter only cares about barney and playing with her toys and chocolate milk she doesn't know anything about her private parts. I couldn't hold it back the whole time I felt uneasy and sick to my stomach. I tried telling anyone about him and emailed his picture and asked them to call the police if they saw him. I alwasy went on cnn.com and saw if they arrested him, when they fianlly did I was so happy. I told everyone and new that this world was a little safer cause he was caught, I called my sister in nevada and told her as well. I just don't understand how the mother did not know. the little girl would be in so much pain and would hardly be able to walk at her age with that much pain and tear, she would cry and it would hurt when she peed and she would also bleed. I was rapped when I was 13 and remember the pain and remember not being able to walk, hurting and bleeding. I just don't understand how the mom wouldn't know. You can always tell when your child is acting diffrent. Maybe she didn't and that actually scares me. I am so over protecting over my girls, especially after what happened to me and I was rapped by my own uncle. I don't let any of my family member watch them, an after knowing that it can be through a female it scares me a little more. I hope that little girl never remembers and if she does I hope she has the best people around so she could talk to. It's been 8 years since my attack and I still have nightmares.  
 

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