Topic : 03/20 Policing the Parents

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Created on : Friday, October 19, 2007, 01:48:30 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/25/07) Should teens have to police a parent who is drug-addicted or just overall irresponsible? Robert, a father of two, has been in rehab six times in the past four years for an alcohol addiction. He says he drinks so often that his 14-year-old daughter, Keryn, pours out his beer daily, cleans up his bloody wounds after drunken falls and walks him home to prevent the police from arresting him! Robert's wife, Eileen, says she feels torn between protecting her children and loyalty to her husband. Will she stop enabling Robert's addiction, and will Robert get the wake-up call he desperately needs? Keryn has been her father's overseer for so long, is it too late to reverse their roles? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.


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October 31, 2007, 12:26 pm PDT

Re-Building Self Esteem

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I was married for 14 yrs and he drank 90 "light" beers a week. I could always tell when he was drunk as he walked like Mr Greenjeans. Nothing I did was good enough and I tried very very hard to please just to get a atta boy. Our kids brought him beers and the fights, name calling etc. Well , He divoriced me as it turns out he is in love with his high school sweetheart. and has been for 40 years. I should add that I am not a drinker . My world crashed around me I had worked so hard . Oddly enough she drinks and attends Church , moved in my/our days after it was final . And married her in August. Now I have wondered how I am not going get involed with a drinker . My self worth is nil. One good thing is now both kids are out of the house. And I have asked for forgiveness for my part in the warped world of drinking and warned them about their being predisposed to it. And I pray . Yup I miss him a lot. Or the person I saw before it got to that point.
 Unfortunately I know exactly how you're feeling. I bought Dr. Phils book on self esteem and it helped me an awful lot. At the end of my marriage I had no self esteem years of abuse and the alcoholic blaming me for his problems saw to that. It took me a couple of years to feel worthy. After the dust cleared I realized I was doing everything on my own anyway. Without him pulling us down(kids and I) we were much better off without him. Divorce was just final after 4 yrs.He went into rehab last year and still blamed me. He is now with a woman who is just as bad as him. He called me @5am last Sat morning because she was drunk and yelling."You don't know what its like to be woken up by a drunk" All I could was laugh because when he did it to me he was the DRUNK  The best part of them getting involved with other alcoholics is you now get to sit back and watch his life go down the drain while yours is steady climbing out of the whole he put you in. It sucks for your kids but they will be much better out of the situation.Took 4 yrs for my ex to even call his kids and now its too little too late.
 
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October 31, 2007, 12:52 pm PDT

Thanks for this show

 A week after this show I am reading  new mesages that are posted, as well as replies to my own posting .Each and every time I'm flooded with so much emotion I want to sit in a corner and cry. Reading these brings back all bad memories of living in fear at the hands of a raging alcoholic. I can't get over the fact I've been away 4 yrs and still have these feelings.This show brought so many feelings back to me I wished it had been on years ago. Even so, I wouldn't have done anything since I was still in denial that things were as bad as they were.Thanks Dr.Phil for doing this show and please keep us updated with Karin and her family.
 
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October 31, 2007, 8:26 pm PDT

Powerful Show

This show hit so close to home for me. But, my story didn't end well.  I wish there could have been the resources affordable to my family as this family has gotten. They are one of the lucky ones and hopefully it will be something that heals them all in each of their own ways.  My husband died 4 1/2 years ago from alcoholism at the young age of 46. He was the best husband and father for 20 years.....my soulmate and best friend. He slowly started using vodka to "help" him out with his depression.  He started feeling sorry for himself and not feeling successful (whatever that meant) and spiraled into full blown alcoholism. I don't even know how many bottles of vodka he drank a day.  He got so that he couldn't hardly work anymore.  Fortunately for the children, they were already in college and their last year of high school.  I tried to hold it all together for the family. I even kicked him out twice and he had been in rehab 4 times in 3 years.  So, this story made me cry. I felt as though I was watching a different outcome for what my life was.  I still miss him so very much....but I miss the man he used to be. Not the one who died. My life is so calm now and so ordinary. Most people truly did not know the extent of what I was living in.  When I speak of it now, many are so amazed that I managed to laugh and have a good life away from home......because believe me, I spent alot of time away from home. Now, I am alone and still lonely because I can't seem to let anyone in quite yet, but I know I am healing. We have all been to counseling or were in Alanon, although no longer. I am beginning to come out of the fog.....The point I am wanting to make is that I hope this huge lifeline that Dr. Phil has given Robert and Eileen and their family is a godsend and they have their "happily everafter". Even if it means they are divorced, but at least alive and living a happier, healthier life.
 
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November 1, 2007, 10:37 pm PDT

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I am 61 years old and  an adult child of an alcoholic.  My adoptive mother was an alcoholic.  She passed away in 1968.  She was a binge drinker, she would drink for 2-3 weeks and then be sober for a month or so.  It was a roller coaster of a life for me growing up. My adoptive father was not an alcoholic,but was not a man to readily show his love for me.  I know they loved me very much but  it was quite rough on me. By the  1980's I was still  angry about my mother's drinking but I loved her too.  A friend told me about  the Adult Children of Alcoholics support groups, found one near me and started attending regularly.. It was one of  the best thing I ever did.  I had a break though  about 6-7 months into ACA and finally got rid of my anger, loved her more  and  finally obtained some peace in my life.  Now  any  thing I remember about my childhood is no longer a burden.  I would reccomend ACA  to anyone who has unresolved issues with an alcoholic parent alive or who has passed on. I still love  my adoptive parents  very much.  My adoptive father passed away in 1981.  I know they loved each other very much even with her drinking.  They just didn't know  how to deal with it.   They didn't know there was help out there for them.   I have made my peace with them.......God Bless them eternally...
 
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November 3, 2007, 8:43 am PDT

Al-Anon

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Dear Dr. Phil       I can understand where the mans wife is coming from because my husband is aloso an alcholic but hes been sober for 146 days..... There is a couple organazations to help the family members Al A Non and Ala teen .... They will help alot it did wonders for me and my family.... if the girls need someone to talk to you may give them my e mail address and i will help them in any way i can ... Alcholism is a disease... the family needs to remember that they didn't cause they can't control and they can't cure .... its all up to the husband and fathere ge has to make a choice everyday weather to drink or not to drink..... it will be hard for the family... because its still hard for me.... my husband has not relapsed yet thank goodness and god willing he won't  

Hello from Al-Anon member to another. Just wanted to congratulate your husband on his newly found sobriety. 146 days and hopefully counting.

This round of activie alcoholism on my husband's part is the second one. . .and I cannot say enough about Al-anon and the wonderful help and support I get from those who have been there and done that.

I have heard that a recovering alcoholic is only one drink away and how true. I hope and pray that your husband stays away from that one drink.

Diane E.

 
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November 3, 2007, 9:28 am PDT

caretaking or enabeling?

problems re alcoholism worry me.  my brother is one.  so was my father.  he can get violent.  my message is clear:  Do Not Throw out the Wine or any other alc. product they buy and own. !!!   my mom got her arm ripped open from doing just that.  do not provok them.  always find ways to avoid and get away fast.  they have too many rights and u need proof.  someitmes the system sends them back.  so please be careful.

no one wants to enable.  many of us dont know what to do.  - cj

 
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November 3, 2007, 7:40 pm PDT

Our lives, different faces

Thank you Dr. Phil for featuring this topic, and for getting help for this family. I recorded the show for my daughter, who is currently away at college. My daughter has walked in the shoes of the 14 year-old featured on the show, and I have walked in the shoes of the wife. I have been separated for 4 years from my daughter's father, who is a recovering addict.

 

Like the young lady, my daughter grew up much too quickly, and is wise beyond her years. And like the mother on the show, I truly believed that staying with my daughter's father was best for her. I was certain she was better off having both a mother and a father at home. I also took my marriage vows of "For Better or Worse, Richer or Poorer, In Sickness and In Heath" very seriously. (Of course when I married I didn't dream it would be 20 years of Worse, Poorer and Sickness!)  I felt my husband's "condition" was an illness, and I wouldn't want him to leave me for an illness, so I didn't want to do the same to him.

 

It was my daughter, who was 14 at the time, who convinced me it was time to walk away from what was a very unhealthy life we were living. I had seen him through 7 different treatment programs, she and I supported him and accompanied him to meetings, programs, etc. She recalls going to rehabilitation programs with him as young as 7 years old. The first treatment program he was in that she can recall came about after she told me he had taken her with him to purchase his drug of choice.

 

I hope the family you featured sticks with all you are giving them for support, and the mother takes a serious look at the effects this has had on her daughters. I hope she doesn't wait until she has lost as much as I have. My husband's addiction and his actions near the end took everything we had. My credit is ruined. My daughter is having to pay for her college tuition on her own through student loans. I have an incredible amount of debt and though we are legally separated, I have not had the means to make things final through a dissolution or divorce because I cannot afford an attorney or the court costs.  

 

The plus side: My daughter is a wise, wonderful and very insightful young adult. She speaks to peers about the affects drinking/drug use have on a person and their family, and she vows never to drink or use narcotics.  I am incredibly proud of her, and am sorry I did not give her a better life. I did my best to "mask" her father's illness, and worked overtime to be both the best mother and father I could be, as her father was not there physically or emotionally as he should have been. Though he missed school events, sporting events, and other events important in a child's life, I tried to cover up his not being there by throwing myself into everything - PTA President, Band Booster President, volunteering at every event, etc. Though she appreciated all I did, it did not cover up the fact he wasn't there, and she so longed for him to be. 

 

I sincerely believe that if we were still living with her father today, he would still be using. Even after loosing his wife, daughter, and his home, he used drugs for 6 months after we had separated. He is clean today, but he has developed diabetes and other health issues, probably because of the effects of years of drug use.

 

My lesson: When you believe you are doing what is best for everyone step back and take a long, hard look at your life - you may not be doing what is best for anyone.

 
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November 4, 2007, 12:01 am PDT

Ready for a change

 I watched this show -- drunk -- and had to record it. I have three kids a little younger than those on the show. I drink almost every day, about  the equivalent of 10-12 beers.

So today I watched the show again, to paraphrase Dr. Phil, not "acutely drunk." I am ashamed. I want this to be the turning point for me and my family.

I had recently stopped  for over 6 months because I realized there's a part of my subconcious that is always looking for the next beer. And once I tuned in to it, I could discount it. But then I got the wonderful opportunity to go to a baseball game with FREE BEER, and it's been down hill (and up weight) ever since. And aside from having a job, buying better beer, and not drinking until the evening, I am pretty much just like Robert. I even tried to kill myself by taking a bunch of my daughter's prescription meds. But I was chivalrous enough to  do this in the guest bedroom.

So what did my subconcious latch on to during this show? "Maybe I should try that cheap powerful beer the guy was buying." Yes, that's the sort of twisted thinking that happens in the mind of an alcoholic. Its disgusting, and the realization that I was thinking such a thing is just the sort of wake-up call I need to get back on the right path..

This show is a godsend. The kids in Robert's family deserve better, and so do mine.




 
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November 4, 2007, 5:15 pm PST

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 I watched this show -- drunk -- and had to record it. I have three kids a little younger than those on the show. I drink almost every day, about  the equivalent of 10-12 beers.

So today I watched the show again, to paraphrase Dr. Phil, not "acutely drunk." I am ashamed. I want this to be the turning point for me and my family.

I had recently stopped  for over 6 months because I realized there's a part of my subconcious that is always looking for the next beer. And once I tuned in to it, I could discount it. But then I got the wonderful opportunity to go to a baseball game with FREE BEER, and it's been down hill (and up weight) ever since. And aside from having a job, buying better beer, and not drinking until the evening, I am pretty much just like Robert. I even tried to kill myself by taking a bunch of my daughter's prescription meds. But I was chivalrous enough to  do this in the guest bedroom.

So what did my subconcious latch on to during this show? "Maybe I should try that cheap powerful beer the guy was buying." Yes, that's the sort of twisted thinking that happens in the mind of an alcoholic. Its disgusting, and the realization that I was thinking such a thing is just the sort of wake-up call I need to get back on the right path..

This show is a godsend. The kids in Robert's family deserve better, and so do mine.




What will you do now?  Do you have a plan?  I will keep you on my prayer list.  I wish all the best for you and your kids.
 
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November 4, 2007, 8:29 pm PST

I saw my life

While watching the show i was so suprised of what i saw... it scared me so much because i saw my life and mean to a t.. i could not believe that it was happing to someone else my daughter's father is a alcholic and does not want to work and suffers from depression and anxiety.. but then i also suffer from depression but to me that is not an excuses especially when you are a parent i put my own physical and mental problems aside to take care of my child and i could not believe what i was seeing everthing thing this mother was going thru i went thru i also had to hide my purse he would steal money from me and even my own mother who lived with us who is a disabled/widow we would have to hide our purse and keep little money so he had nothing to still he would drink my mothers wine when she would buy some he would even go as far as stealing my daughter money from her piggy bank!!!!! I would come home from work and find the same kind of can of beer down to the type of brand hiden around the house and even in the reycle bin full not open thinking I would not look there at the time my child was only 2 1/2 but i started noticing changes in her and did not like what i saw .. at that time from some reason be it god or some unseen force i found a new home to move to and the day we moved out i threw him out of my house i could not take it anymore and i could not let the affects of his drinking and mental abuse effect me or my daughter anymore and i am glad i did it cause i have seen the change my daugter has made she still has some problems with abondonment and is scared that me and my mother is going to leave her like her dad but i had to it and after seeing the show it conformed that what i did was the best decsion i could have made i love my daugher's father with all my heart  and we have a love that is strong but his drinking and mental problems is something i cannot have in my home for the sake my child and my mother he has been allowed to visit but under the condtion he does not drink and has been really good about it and i am proud of my self to stop the cycle now before my daughter has some really emtional and mental problems that i cannot reverse and my daughter become what this mother daughters have become.. i just want to say be strong and just remember you are a mom first and have to think about them before anyone else we are the protectors of our children because they are next generation and when my daughter is older and ask me why daddy doesn't live with us i will tell her but also remind her that i did it because i wanted a better life for her... be strong and just remember we may have to go thru some bad time to get to the good times best of luck

 

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