Topic : 03/20 Policing the Parents

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Created on : Friday, October 19, 2007, 01:48:30 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/25/07) Should teens have to police a parent who is drug-addicted or just overall irresponsible? Robert, a father of two, has been in rehab six times in the past four years for an alcohol addiction. He says he drinks so often that his 14-year-old daughter, Keryn, pours out his beer daily, cleans up his bloody wounds after drunken falls and walks him home to prevent the police from arresting him! Robert's wife, Eileen, says she feels torn between protecting her children and loyalty to her husband. Will she stop enabling Robert's addiction, and will Robert get the wake-up call he desperately needs? Keryn has been her father's overseer for so long, is it too late to reverse their roles? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.


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October 25, 2007, 3:38 pm PDT

Keryn

My apologies, Keryn, for misspelling your name in my previous post. You deserve the very best in life and I truly hope that you find it...
 
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October 25, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

Keryn

My apologies, Keryn, for misspelling your name in my previous post. You deserve the very best in life and I truly hope that you find it...
 
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October 25, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

She's a survivor

I have been watching Dr. Phil for many years now. I have never been so touched by a show as I was today. The show was about kids policing their parents. I am 47 years old and I lived the life of Karen. My home life was very chaotic. I was the youngest of 5 kids. My 3 sister all got pregnant before the age of 18. My bother was a heroin addict by the age of 16. My parents both drank and did various drugs. My father was int the occult and did past life regressions via hypnosis. At the age of 14 my brother who was home on leave from the service died in a fire in our home. My Mom, Dad, Brother and I were the only ones home at the time. Believe it or not, I arranged all of my own brothers funeral at that age. I was the only member of our family to graduate from high school. My parents did not make it to my ceremony because my dad was drunk at the airport and my mom would not leave him their alone. I have had several years of therapy and think I am now in a good space and realize that I can't take care of other adults. I feel for Karen and know she will survey and thrive as I did.  Both of my parents are now dead as is my oldest sister. Our middle sister is an alcoholic and the other addicted to prescription narcotics. I am rooting for Karen.        
 
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October 25, 2007, 3:53 pm PDT

Don't judge

I've read several of  the comments and honestly, they are uncalled for.

You have no right judging anyone until you've been in their shoes. It's not the wife's fault anymore than it's the  children's. It's the alcohol's fault. Same as if it's cancer or any other disease. I am in her shoes and it's hard. I do what needs to be done to survive. When you marry someone remember "in sickness and in health".

 
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October 25, 2007, 3:54 pm PDT

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADOPT KEYRN!

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I can't believe this young lady's poise, intelligence, wisdom and words.  What an amazing young lady you are, Karen!  I am angrier than I can explain at what her parents have allowed her to endure but jubilant over her incredible common sense and intelligence.  I wish her (and her poor 17 year old sister) nothing but the best life has to offer - they deserve it.  And if either daughter ever wants a break from the life their parents have inflicted on them, I'd adopt them in a New York minute!  I would hope both parents begin to realize how special their girls are. 

KEYRN, OH YOUR PARENTS HAVE ONE UNBELIEVABLE CHILD!!!!  When I say my prayers tonight I will be saying one for you!  I wish you did not have to have gone through any of this.  I hope that you continue being so level headed!!  Take this experience and learn from it.  So many times they say alcoholics run in families.  I think its still a choice.  Keep these memory and learn from them.  BUT, You can be a young lady, doing 14 year old things!!!!  You have more wisdom than most adults I know.  I too am a nurse and a single parent.  If I had the money, you, your sister and all your friends would have one heck of great vacation!!  You deserve all the best that this world has to offer.  MOM....I know its going to be tough and stressful still for you.........but enjoy those girls.  Spend time with them!  Life is not promised to us.  I almost lost my daughter 2 times!  I know MOM your a nurse.....but to really appreciate life and all your blessings, walk though the pediatric cancer unit!  If that doesn't make you fall to your knees, I don't know what will.  Your children need you and they need a lot of attention and love right now and ALWAYS.  You will do good all of you.  Dr. Phil..........AND KEYRN, you not only helped your dad, but the show helped so many other families and it made me hug my daughter!!!!  GOOD LUCK!!!   EVERYONE SHOULD BE SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!

 
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October 25, 2007, 3:55 pm PDT

How all of this hit home today.

We had an alcoholic son who did the same things this man is doing today on the program.  Nothing was more important than the next drink.  He had a beautiful daughter that her Mother had abandoned and she at the tender age of 5 and 6 was taking care of him, just like this girl did with her Dad.  She remembers a lot of what she did.  We have now had her for almost 13 years and have raised her as our own.  She will graduate this year.  She has had to work through a lot of things because of her life and is still working on them.  Her father (our son) is in prison now.  Did not do anything horrible, except being a full blown alcoholic.  But what he has missed in her life, he will never get back and what she has missed not having her Dad around, she will never get back.  She does see him and has forgiven him, but with many stipulations.  Thank you Dr. Phil for this show today.  I was like his wife for such a long time, enabling constantly, but one day you just say enough is enough and it came to an end.

 

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October 25, 2007, 3:59 pm PDT

Adults can really be stupid!!!

I just finished watching the show and for the first time felt compelled to get on-line and join this site. I recently got out of a relationship with an alcoholic who has a daughter (Getting her every second weekend)and I'm here to tell you I felt for Eileen. (I also wanted to jump through the TV and shake her) It's an incredibly painful process watching the man you love kill himself. For a while I believe you do go into denial. But those of you out there who are addicts and/or alcoholics who have children, watch out!! One day, they too will have had enough and you may not be so lucky as to be on the Dr. Phil Show. It scares the hell out me knowing that when my Ex gets his 11 old daughter he may be drinking. Addiction is an unfathomably selfish disease that hurts not only the addict, but also hurts those who surround them. Fortunately, I still have contact with my Ex's daughter and her grandmother spends alot of time with the both of them. I still suffer from bouts of depression and anxiety attacks and the whole thing is still very raw for me. (It only ended four months ago) My Ex apparently went to rehab too and is also drinking again. God help all  the drunks and fools
 
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October 25, 2007, 4:05 pm PDT

10/25 Policing the Parents

Dear Dr Phil-Have you ever heard of AA or Alanon or Alateen?  If the man didn'

t get recovery the last 6 times why would you send him back to rehab again? 

He obviously hasn't learned that he won't get drunk if he doesn't pick up.  I buried my 45 year old sister 3 years ago cause she chose not to stop drinking.  I hope this man gets it.  I hope beside counceling you recomment alateen and alanon for the mother and daughter.  Good luck to all!

 
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October 25, 2007, 4:09 pm PDT

Been there done that

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  i too knew of a similar incident.  where the husband would always drink to get drunk and then abuse his kids, the wife would try and stop it, the husband would turn on the wife too.  now that the husband/abuser is dead the widow/wife has tried to make a decent living for herself and son.  so what happened!  a nosy trouble making town reported her to the child protective services.  was there neglect? no!  there was health issuses on the child.  and to top things off the child would not listen or mind the parent.  think about some of the attitudes that the children do to their parent or parents before someone judges the parents.  there is two sides to the story!

I am an adult child of both parents being alcoholics, guess we can refer that to ACOBA.....My mother died due to alcohol, (feel downstairs and broke her neck) prior to that I was her caretaker as well as for my 4 siblings. I also became an alcoholic, been sober for 16 years. I am a Certified Drug and Alcohol Clinician, Domestic Violence & Mental Health Specialist. Due to unresolved issues of the past (being my own parent) I am on medical leave due to several mental health issues. Dr. Phil, I am so happy that you have brought this subject to the light. I truly believe that this is a major contribute to today and yesterday's family dysfunction. I will be OK, I needed a break anyway I have been supporting myself since the age of 14. I have started a book. I would place the beginning here, but I am afraid it may be to graphic. After all truth can be graphic a times. I will send it to DR. Phil, he will understand.  So at the age of 51, I have just begun to live and allow myself to be the women that I was intended to be. ......To stand up for myself, say NO and do the things I am suppose to do for me.....It is never to late.....God Bless   Wake up.....Rose
 
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October 25, 2007, 4:18 pm PDT

Alcoholisms

I saw the show today and it just touches so close to home. I have lost everything as a result of not leaving my alcoholic husband long ago.  I lived for a few years in hope after he went through alcohol classes and had some sobriety for a while.  Believe me when they say the relapse begins where it left off....well I lived it!! The hardest thing I ever had to do was stand on my own boundary and make the call to the police that got him his 3rd DUI. I went through months of emotional torture but I knew one thing...He didn't harm or kill someone innocent that day and I followed through on a very tough boundary. Of course he said he had learned his lesson from classes and would never again pickup those keys...of course all ability for rational thinking goes right down the drain once the bottle is picked up again. That day was the divine intervention that was the beginning of the end of my home and marriage.  As far as the children, and the effect on them, in some ways I have been lucky, because my daughters are in their 20's and doing well, but there are some things I see in their life that is part of the unpacked baggage from the life we lived, my choices, the changes good and bad and no matter how hard you try it just seems to follow you. As for my step son, well I am still watching and listening on where he is.  He didn't live with us, so he didnn't see alot.  Things were not hidden from him, but in the end, I did my best to keep him away from the drunken insanity. The hardest part was when he actually wanted to live with us, it couldn't happen because the addiction tragedy was in full force and I knew it would not be good for him to live in what I was living in. Of course he has issues and I just try to keep him on the right path.  In  the final end, after the first time I watched a withdrawal seizure, the cycle worsened just as text book as you can compare.  For months I watched everything go, jobs, intimacy, health, our home, pawned items and even wondered if he would actually drink himself to death. None of the detoxes helped and even the 7 months in jail for the 3rd DUI didn't even awaken him.  He drank again in the first 2 hours he was released, of course he thinks he can control it now....."Constitutionally incapable of being honest with himself" I have to say yes at this time.  He has chosen a geographical move to another state and back with family and friends that have no idea of just how bad his addiction is...playing the great Denial game again.  Help only works when the person wants it more than anything and they have to want it for themselves.  My divorce is pending and I may still loose more before it is over.  I have spent the last 2 years trying to put a life back together after losing my home, my pride, and dreams that now have to become new ones. Sometimes it is really hard to start your life over when it was suppose to be stable, but I believe the best is yet to come.  If it wasn't for my faith and the peace that God gives me, I don't know where I would be. I love to hear Dr. Phil work on this subject and cut through the dynamics. I have my own sobriety for many years by the grace of God...even through this and many other tough life experiences. There has never yet been another life excuse for me (good or bad) that makes alcohol or drugs look like the answer to anything! It is totally up to the person with the help of that higher power to make sobriety the best and only choice. I can't say enough about any 12 step program and counseling to get underneath what drives the addictions.  It is the only way for the changes to come.
I'm really glad I was able to see this show today. I have had the opportunity to be in the Dr. Phil audience and it is a wonderful and fulfilling experience. As hard as it is to do, breaking free from the person with the addiction IS the better thing for the spouse and the kids.  Every day that you don't have another memory of the drunken insanity is one more day of peace and one less day of tapes to play in your memory. It is one more day of making some kind of life for the family that the addict doesn't touch.  YES it is hard but you can survive anything with faith and moving forward.
TLC in Denver

 

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