Topic : 03/20 Policing the Parents

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Created on : Friday, October 19, 2007, 01:48:30 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/25/07) Should teens have to police a parent who is drug-addicted or just overall irresponsible? Robert, a father of two, has been in rehab six times in the past four years for an alcohol addiction. He says he drinks so often that his 14-year-old daughter, Keryn, pours out his beer daily, cleans up his bloody wounds after drunken falls and walks him home to prevent the police from arresting him! Robert's wife, Eileen, says she feels torn between protecting her children and loyalty to her husband. Will she stop enabling Robert's addiction, and will Robert get the wake-up call he desperately needs? Keryn has been her father's overseer for so long, is it too late to reverse their roles? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.


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November 15, 2007, 12:42 am PST

I Feel So Sad !!!

Dr. Phil,

 

I watched this show today after recording it.  I have to say that I feel so sad for these children.  I was in a similar position living with an alcoholic husband with 2 children.  The difference is that  after many attempts at rehab, my husband continued to drink and I realized that it was not fair to my children to stay with their Father.  I left when they were only 3 years old and 6 month old.  It was the hardest thing I ever did.  He was my high school sweetheart and the love of my life.  It makes me so angry when I see things like this because even though it was the hardest thing that I have ever had to do I knew that it was the right thing,  My children grew up knowing that their Dad loved them but, he was sick.   I never let anyone say anything bad about their Dad,   They both  went to counseling over the years and I am happy to say that they are both honor students and both are involved in sports,  They have a wonderful Dad now who loves them like they were his own children.  I am very sorry for these children on this show and after reading some of the comments posted, it makes me realize that I really made the right choice in leaving.  Sadly I say that my children's Dad has passed away from this terrible disease 4 years ago but, i am still dealing with the effects this disease has had on myself and my children.  The milestones in their lives are hard and they  have their bad days, especially my son.  It is hard to believe that their lives could be so affected  by this disease even though they were so young when I left.  I really hope that this show opened up parents  eyes  weather it  be a mother or a father to see what this terrible disease does to children of all ages.  This show enforced to me that I really made the right choice leaving even though I was alone with 2 small children,  We are all in a better place because, of it.  We miss him and he is in our prayers every day.  I make sure his family is still very involved in my children's lives.

 

Thanks Dr. Phil for a very enlightening show.

 

Tammy

 
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March 15, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

There is hope for you

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my dad died when I was 17, I knew my mom drank but he kept a lot of the severe results from happening so they mainly had fights because of course drunken people are impossible to deal with..........until he passed, then I discovered what he was living with and had kept from me as much as he could.
Now I live with it and my mom is 73, some very scary falls which almost killed her but she still drinks and mixes with meds, her dr knows yet keeps giving her the drugs since she probably cannot stop them now, they are benzos and anti depressants given to her 20 years ago after my dad passed and she is still on them, drinking and falling more than ever............it has actually delayed my life and my ability to have one.
I think parents who do tihs are selfish and my mom is very much so, more than ever, in many ways.
It is sad that they dont care the impact and horror they put us children through, and I am now 36 yrs old with a guy I have been with for 17 yrs who stuck by me living in this house of horror, but we are not married and because of the high maintenance of my mom our lives end up second many times.
I now hear things at night sometime it is not even her and sometimes its nothing - just me hearing things from years of it, not sure if she fell, not sure if she is dead, we are in the same home but I am now in a suite above her and in one way its better cuz i hear less but sometimes she will call me to go pick her up when she is not so far gone and can still dial........but I may find her bloody, defacted all over herself and the house, have put out my back lifting her and when i call for help like an abulance to make sure she is not hurt, she verbally and emotionallhy abuses me. I have been to everyone seeking help and I mainly try not to go help her as they say to leave them but sometimes its hard if she calls me or if she is really screaming...............this post could be many pages but lets just say it is angering that people have kids and them put them through this. If only we could commit them like in the old days!
Like Dr. Phil says, this kind of thing changes who you are, who you grow up to be............the only bonus is I DO NOT DRINK and do not get drunk and probably won't, luckily rather than follow her path I avoid that path, that is the only good result but it was not always that way, I started down her path after my dad died but not for long before I woke up. I do not want kids, probably becasue of what I grew up seeing.

It sucks to always be afraid of finding her dead from a fall. When she gets sloshed, she is so out of it that it is like watching a severe herion addict, who cannot talk, walk and who pees themselves. I have to live with this for the rest of my life and live with the after effects - like how I awake for too easily because of living with this fear and also when i was young my mom and dad fought daily, nightly, violently, and it was mostly because of her. I know it is a disease and I know her med make her crave booze and I know she is an addictive personality............I know she has a side here but with all the help we have tried, intervention, even the hospital got involved aftera huge fall, sent her social workers etc but then the govt stopped the program she was in, it was a senior well aware program.............so the last option is detox which she woudl have to do willingly - never gonna happen since she still denies drinking even after being found many times with high blood alcohol during incidents where ambulance got involved. And if she did go willlingly it will cost us an entry of 7 grand.............we are paying a mortgage and debts, we would have to get into more debt. My mom mortgaged the house continuously after my dad passed away, this house was paid............now we have to pay a mortgage and live on minimal means due to her spending.
She is also a hoarder. I sure wish someone could really help her so we could finally get some peace but as I have been told numerous times by our govt and other arenas.............if she wants to drink herself to an early grave we cannot do a thing about it.
WE took all her booze, she buys more and gets angry at us to. It is too late for her I guess, since after 10 years of pursuit of help all i could get was self council, great so I can deal with it from help from council but how about trying to save my moms life while she still has one? I am told, to let go of what I cannot control..............well living and watching and doing nothing is very hard. She is bruised daily..........
Linda

I was reading the posts as this show is coming up to be seen again this week.  I noted that you seemed lost and full of anger at your mom.   Have you ever attended Al-Anon meetings?  The meetings are for family members of drunks.  You will learn how not to enable your mom and to allow her the dignity to fall, fail and hopefully seen that she is responsible for her actions.  I have been attending Al-Anon meetings and working the steps for over 30 years.  I have been married to two alcoholics.  My first husband, still doesn't get it and leads a miserable life...sad, sick and sorry. 

 

You have to understand that alcoholism  is a disease.  I was able to grasp this when they told me try willpower with diarrhea!   My first husband resorted to taking the dogs tranquilzers to get loaded.  How sad is that?

 

My husband that I have been married to for the past 19 years has been sober in AA for 22 years.  You can go to meetings, work the steps and take a whole lot of pressure off of yourself.  You never know, you mom may see you change and the recovery for her may be in the works.  I have seen people get sober that I would have never ever thought would get it!

 

Please try 6-8 meetings and really put the effort it takes, there is hope for you. 

Christine, Temecula, CA

 
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March 15, 2008, 1:38 pm PDT

Doctor Phil Show

Doctor Parents Phil Policing The. That is more like it. Parents are surpose to protect the childrens from-----

danger at all times. See you on Thursday March 20th, 2008. Sincerley Your. Russell Vlaanderen.--------------

 
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March 16, 2008, 9:20 am PDT

CHILDREN OF ALCOHOLICS FOUNDATION-GETTING PAST THE GAMES

According to the best estimates, about one in eight  Americans-more than 30 million-are products of alcoholic homes.  The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse & Alcoholism says that 6.6 million children are living with an alcoholic parent now.

 

What's life like for them?  Growing up is a constant struggle to cope with disappointment and stress and embarrassment.  It's a place where a kid's needs are often downplayed or ignored, and the family life centers on the psychological "games" of the drinking parent. 

 

Until recently, children of alcoholics weren't even considered all that different from other children with problems.  They were often ignored by treatment programs, which focused on the alcoholic parent.  In an alcoholic family, a child's need for love, support, and emotional nurturing is often minimized or forgotten altogether in the endless tug-of-war between the family and alcoholism.  For referral services in your area contact:

 

 

Children of Alcoholics Foundation

www.coaf.org  

COAF also offers HelpLink 1-800-359-2623, a 24-hour service

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm 

 

Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh OR Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

 

Common problems of children of alcoholics are:  guilt, anxiety, embarrassment, confusion, inability to trust, frustration, anger and depression.  Probably the most difficult step in the healing process is the first one--for the child to openly identify the problem and begin to talk about his or her sadness, frustration, and anger with someone they can trust.

 

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March 16, 2008, 9:21 pm PDT

Please read this book....

My father is currently in rehab for alcohol abuse and I really think that many of you need to read this book called "I'll Quit Tomorrow" by Vernon Johnson. It has really put me at peace and I understand now why he does what he does... please read this book!!!
 
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March 18, 2008, 3:38 am PDT

NOT AGE-APPORPRIATE!

When a child or young adult has to 'parent' one or both oparents, it is clearly NOT age-appropriate behaviour.

Enough said.

 

 
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March 18, 2008, 8:12 am PDT

MISS AMERICA BY DAY - CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE

Marilyn Van Derbur, a native of Colorado, is one of four daughters of a prominent Denver businessman who is now deceased. Her father was on numerous boards and committees, was honored with buildings named for him, and was president of "all the college fraternities in America." Both parents were active volunteers, donating time and money to culture and civic organizations.

 

Marilyn's earliest memories of her father are of him entering her bed after dark. What came next was repressed for decades until Marilyn realized that her father had committed incest from the time she was five until eighteen, an estimated six hundred times.  All the while, her mother knew. Marilyn tells about her split between the "night child" victim in contrast to the "day child" over-achiever.  Anyone reading her story might experience envy for all the fame and fortune that seemed to come to her so easily and effortlessly.

 

 

Miss America By Day: Lessons Learned from Ultimate Betrayals and Unconditional Love by Marilyn Van Derbur

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh OR Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

 

Marilyn's mother would often state that she had the "perfect marriage" and Marilyn was told that she was "blessed by being born into a perfect family." Marilyn was crowned Miss America while she was attending the University of Colorado in 1958. 

 

Marilyn suffered from physical symptoms including insomnia, tics, anxiety, and panic attacks. When her body and mind rebelled against the constant travel, she experienced full body paralysis, yet doctors found no organic cause. What else might Marilyn be rebelling against? To find the answers she had to search her mind and spirit.  The physical symptoms she had endured were a manifestation of the connection between child sexual abuse and adult ailments. 

 

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March 19, 2008, 7:07 am PDT

WHY REPORT CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE W/IN 72 HOURS

INCEST 2X MORE LIKELY IN FAMILIES WITH ALCOHOLICS

 

Probably one of the most disturbing facts about child sexual abuse and incest, is that in 80% of reported cases, the mother of the victim was aware of the sexual abuse inflicted on the child, yet did little or nothing about it.  Just how responsible is a parent for failing to report or stop the sexual abuse of a child or family member? 

 

If the sexual assault has occurred within 72 hours of a physical examination, forensic evidence collection should be conducted.  A complete physical examination, including careful documentation of any lacerations (a torn or jagged wounds), ecchymoses (skin discoloration caused by the escape of blood into the tissues from ruptured blood vessels) or petechiae (pinpoint size flat round red dots under the skin surface caused from hemorrage - bleeding into the skin), is critical. Physical examination of the oral cavity includes inspection of the hard and soft palate for bruising or petechiae, and inspection of the frenulum (the membrane that attaches the tongue to the floor of the mouth) for any lacerations that can result from forced oral penetration. 

 

Rape evidence collection kits are available in the emergency department of most hospitals. Evaluation of acute sexual assault may be conducted in an emergency department setting or, if available, at a children's advocacy center. In nonacute cases, the office of the family physician has the benefit of being a familiar location for the patient.  The physician should maintain a gentle and calm demeanor and be considerate of the apprehensive child. It is helpful to explain the examination beforehand to the patient and caretaker.

 

Medical problems include anogential (anal) trauma, bleeding, irritation or discharge, dysuria (painful or difficult urination), frequent urinary tract infections, encopresis (repeated passing of feces into places other than the toilet), enuresis (repeated passing of urine into places other than the toilet), pregnancy, diagnosis of a sexually transmitted disease (STD) and oral trauma

 

Children may present with somatic (muscles and nerves) complaints such as recurrent agdominal pain or frequent headaches resulting from the psychologic stress.  Sexual acting-out behavior is the most specific indicator of possible sexual abuse.

 

Child sexual abuse generally refers to sexual acts, sexually motivated behaviors, or sexual exploitation involving children. Child sexual abuse includes a wide range of behaviors, such as: 

  • Oral, anal, or genital penile penetration
  • Anal or genital digital or other penetration
  • Genital contact with no intrusion
  • Fondling of a child's breasts or buttocks
  • Indecent exposure
  • Inadequate or inappropriate supervision of a child's voluntary sexual activities
  • Use of a child in prostitution, pornography, Internet crimes, or other sexually exploitative activities

Sexual abuse includes both touching offenses (fondling or sexual intercourse) and nontouching offenses (exposing a child to pornographic materials) and can involve varying degrees of violence and emotional trauma.  

 

The most commonly reported cases involve incest, or sexual abuse occurring among family members, including those in biological families, adoptive families, and stepfamilies. Incest most often occurs within a father-daughter relationship.  

 

Mother-son, father-son, and sibling-sibling incest also occurs. Sexual abuse is also sometimes committed by other relatives or caretakers.  In fifty percent of reported child sexual abuse within families the perpetrator was an older sibling.

 

Consider the possibility of sexual abuse when the child: 

  • Has difficulty walking or sitting
  • Suddenly refuses to change for gym or to participate in physical activities
  • Reports nightmares or bedwetting
  • Experiences a sudden change in appetite
  • Demonstrates bizarre, sophisticated, or unusual sexual knowledge or behavior
  • Becomes pregnant or contracts a venereal disease, particularly if under age 14
  • Runs away
  • Reports sexual abuse by a parent or another adult caregiver

Consider the possibility of sexual abuse when the parent or other adult caregiver: 

  • Is unduly protective of the child or severely limits the child's contact with other children, especially of the opposite sex
  • Is secretive and isolated
  • Is jealous or controlling with family members 

The presence of a single sign does not prove child abuse is occurring in a family; however, when these signs appear repeatedly or in combination you should take a closer look at the situation and consider the possibility of child sexual abuse. 

 

Search State statues for issues related to child abuse and neglect, child welfare, and adoption:

www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/state/ 

 

CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE - DEFINED

 

Child sexual abuse (1 in 3 girls and 1 in 7 boys) occurs among all groups of the population. It happens to children in both rural and urban areas and in all socioeconomic and educational levels, and across all racial and cultural groups.

There is no rule governing the age range between a victim and a perpetrator. Generally, children are sexually abused by adults who are related to them or known by them or their families.

Sexual abuse is forced, tricked, or coerced sexual behavior between a young person and an older person.

Child sexual abuse may consist of any one of the following acts:

1. Nudity 2. Disrobing 3. Genital exposure 4. Inappropriate kissing or fondling 6. Masturbation 7. Oral-genital contact 8. Child pornography 9. Digital penetration 10. Vaginal or anal intercourse

Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators. In sexual abuse cases committed against females, approximately one third to one-half of all perpetrators were related to the victim. Only about one-tenth of the abusers were related to their male victims. 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

 
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March 20, 2008, 8:30 am PDT

Policing & protecting mother right up to death

I just lost a life long friend due to drugs and alcohol.  My friend was a 39 year old  mother of two and a wife.  She had the biggest heart ever and she cared about everyone else but her self.  Early on in her life she had the trauma of seeing someone she cared about get killed right in front of her and almost getting killed herself.  She has a very loving family and everyone tried to help her.  She went to rehab a couple of times but she always went back to the addiction.  I believe she never dealt directly with that trauma and that hurt her very much. I feel like she numbed herself with alcohol and drugs.

My friend died this last Feb. because someone gave her some bad drugs that caused her to fall down the stairs and have a heart attack and she broke her neck.  This happened right in front of her ten year old son.    

 

I know she loved her children very much but because of her addictions she made some really bad choices and decisions.  Her children covered, lied, and protected her all their life.  Now the children are in therapy and the truth is coming out and it's painful to hear the truth about this story.  She was buying the children alcohol and allowing them to smoke at the age of ten and fifteen.   She has risked their lifes many times.

 

What I am struggling with is I feel like I am betraying my friend with speaking about the truth and saying it out loud.  I feel like I am judging her when i am not the judge or the jury.  I am not perfect and I too have made many mistakes in my life.  I feel like it's not my place.  I want to remember and focus on the good. 

 

 Her husband is struggling with hearing the truth about all the things that are now coming up and he is angry.  There are so many different stories as to what happened here with her death and her husband is trying to protect her name.  He has even heard he had pushed her down the stairs which really hurt him.    There are so many lies and bad feelings here and so much tip toeing around all of this.

 

I guess I want so bad to help and a healing to take place here with everyone involved.  I just don't know what  to suggest other then therapy.  I am a friend and a godmother to one of the children and I want to help to bring some peace to myself and everyone else that is hurting.  I want us all to move forward with love in our hearts.

 

 
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March 20, 2008, 9:26 am PDT

A Losing Battle

Since this was a rerun today, I'm hoping that this man is still in treatment...but, it's my guess he's not...it's much more fun for these messes to be "taken care of" by family members who will enable them and coddle them and not make them accountable. 

 

I hope and pray that the mother doesn't let him back in the home. For her to be so selfish as to allow this to go on as long as it did was a real shame...what the devil was she thinking? She was extremely weak to let her daughters take over her job and for putting them into the position of trying to police this ridiculous man so she didn't have to. And she works with addicts, so she should have known better! 

 

Too many women allow and enable this situation, thinking "I can fix him if I just try hard enough"..."pray hard enough", "love him enough"...blah blah blah. 

 

Been there, done that. I got out of there before my children were damaged. It was hard, but so what? It's much harder to undo the damage a man like that does to everyone involved, and every day that goes by is one more wasted day and one more opportunity for the addict to inflict even more damage!

 

YOU, as a family member, CANNOT fix people like that. You are not a professional....and even

 professionals are not always successful, obviously....look at the wife...and all the re-habs this man has been in.

 

Addicts are soul-suckers of others who unfortunately love them. They are self-destructive and will always have that in them! They are always a ticking time bomb, even if they manage to get sober. 

 

No thanks! Who needs it?!    

 

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