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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

The Long and Short of It

I cannot imagine that, if this poor man ever love his "daughter", he would want to sever all emotional ties with her.  However, he should not have to pay for a decision to which he was not made privy.  Even if he were still married to this "woman"(?) .  Had he the option, the right to make the decision to support another man's child in the beginning, it MIGHT be another situation, but this man was literally taken to the bank.  The mother and the man who fathered the child are responsible, made the decision to sneak around, and, at least, one of them made the decision to lie to the victimized husband.  Does anyone think he would have chosen any of this?  I think not, and thus, he should be given some choices about where his money goes, now that he knows.

 

I think the celeb attorney did a poor job in arguing her point.  In fact, she did not argue her side of the questions posed, but, instead, opted, in typical legalese, to skirt the question by changing the focus.  She did not offer one good reason why a man should be held up by a cheating wife.  If I were the victim, I would have challanged her to put her money where her mouth was by supporting the child her ("moral") self!  I'm sure she would have shifted the focus there, as well.

 

What if this man only makes enough money to support his real and biological family, but still has to take food away from his househood to support the game?  Does he now apply for food stamps, burdening the general, tax-paying public for his former wife's indescretion or do we hunt down the responsible parties in the first place?

 

Think about it.  Someone you love and trust (or not) does you harm and then demands that you give them your hard-earned money.  What would you tell them in any other situation?...  I thought so!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I wanted to post my feelings on this issue.  I believe the mother of this child is too blame for the whole situation and the only person getting the blame is the man that was lied to.  I cannot believe anyone would blame him for his reactions.  The mother had all the power here and I believe she could have kept the lines open between the man who raised her had she wanted to.  I believe it was all about the money to her.  One day her daughter will realize what her mother did and she is going to resent her, because the man was put in a bad situation she could have fixed long before she did.  All about the money or she would have apologize to him and told him he could continued to be her father without "strings" attached and I believe he would have continued being in her life.  Everyone can say what they think they would do in this situation but if this happend to one of my sons I would be very upset with the woman.  It's not the childs fault granted but it's not the man's fault either.  The child has a right to know who her real bio father is. The mother withheld this info from her but somehow the child at this point doesn't find any fault with her mother,  this seems to be sending the child a message that what the mother did was "OK".  I feel the courts should punished women who do this, maybe even jail time.  This hurts mother and fathers for that matter who really help tracking down their dead beat parents who won't pay up.  This is the same to me as wrongly accussing someone of rape, murder, etc.  A lie is a lie.   She should pay something for this but it is evident she won't.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

Paternity Rights

Interesting show, not the least of which was the attorney. Does anyone else see that if laws were enacted to free wrongly accused fathers via DNA testing that it would take a lot of money out of the pockets of the attorneys? Some might suggest that at birth the children and parents should be linked through DNA, however this would play into the governments hands in their effort to establish national databases. Another idea would be to have sworn statements from the parents at birth as to paternity. If  the question arises later and it is determined that someone lied then that would be a punishable offense and a grounds to release the harmed party.

In todays climate, once it is proven that a man is not the biological father he should not be further obligated to pay support, if it was fraudulent, the mother should pay it back and the real father should be traced as it is done now, by the states agency that is responsible for enforcing child support.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

10/29 parent trap

First off, I can't believe the father! How could he abondon his daughter as if she ment nothing to him? I think he's a horrible man. If it was so easy to be there for his daughter before, what makes it so different now! I think the father is selfish, and while I don't think he has financial responsibility, I think he has a responsibility to be there for her, because as soon as he accepted her, she became his daughter.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

Unfair

Well how fair is that for the child, who's to blame here, If a mother has intercourse with more than one man is it not her duty to the child to give the child the opportunity to know her biological father, how about the biological father he has been taking out the picture without even being aware of it.  Maybe he might have wanted a relatioship with his child.  If the mother would have any kind of morals,  she would not be filing for child support, but would  more concern what her lie has done to her innocent child and try to mend the damage.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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THANK YOU I was starting to think I was the only one thinking that way and honnestly it was making me furious.
Ditto Diotte!  I'm embarrased for these so called "Adults"!  Poor Mia, she does need the money for a new heart! 
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:31 pm PDT

What about the new wife?

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 I was extremely disturbed that the mother in parent trap, Maria did not seem to be held accountable for the pain that she had perpetuated in this horrible mess.  I feel that if she knew that Enrique was going to test himself that she should have taken the iniative and explained things to her daughter.  Although I do not believe that Enrique handled it well.  The young women in this family have to make sense of this mess.  I am sure that the older sister has endured a lot of pain and heartache over this mess also.  How does she feel about her mother and father? 

I do feel that mothers need to be responsible to themselves and their children.  What about the biological father of this child?  How can he begin a relationship with his daughter at age 13.  I think that both parents need to be responsible to their children's lives, whether they remain together or not.  The children are paying the price in this country.  I am the executive director of a residential crisis pregnancy center and I get to see the destruction of family dynamics and the affects on the young women in our society every day.  The young women I come in contact usually have no male role models in their lives, let alone good male role models. 

I was a bit frustrated with the new wife.  She's certainly not helping the situation.  She's so busy pointing her fingers at the first wife over and over and over that she has totally overlooked the child.  When The female lawyer mentioned something about the girls age - the step-mom jumped right in and corrected her that she is older that 13.  Who really cares how old the girl is or was when the father told her about it. The way he did it was wrong and I'm sure it was at the urging of the new wife.  I am a step mom and my husband isn't sure if he's the biological father of is daugther but he loves her as if she is.  No way would he disrupt that girls life!  And yes I 100% agree the mother was in the wrong that she deceived her husband.  I do believe she did deceive him, she knew she had an affair and that there was a possibility that the child wasn't his, so she was in the wrong.  Like Dr. Phil said, neither parent has acted in a good way.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:32 pm PDT

Parent trap

I am one of the men that have been trapped by a wife lying about me being the father. I raised the child, supported the child and still consider him my child. That said I believe I should have the legal right to sue the real father and that I should be able to sue my ex wife.
My ex wife lied about who was the father. The man who is the father never had the guts to stand up and claim his right as a father. Of course that could be because he already had a family. What I want to know is why can he not be held responsible for the money end, I worked two jobs all of my marriage to my ex wife, she would never work claiming she had to be home for the kids. The law will not allow me to sue my ex or the real father. He walks away free and clear, my ex wife walked away with alimony and I can not touch them. The female lawyer on the show I am sure will claim that is the way it should be because she is always on the side of the woman. I have not ended the relationship with my son and will not . What I want to know is what do you think Dr. Phil
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:32 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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HA HA HA!

I agree. HA! HA! HA!

look up the man and have him repay the father; better yet charge the mothe with fraud.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:32 pm PDT

Taking responsibility for our actions

I think it is time for people to start taking responsibility for their actions. If anyone is going to be stupid enough to cheat on their spouse, at least use protection.I mean it's an outrage to think that this women should expect this man to continue to pay for a child that he did not father.She lied  not only to him but to her OWN CHILD. At some point the daughter may need to address this issue with her mother.

 
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