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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

IM IN THE SAME BOAT

IM A 25 Y/O MALE FROM PHILADELPHIA. MY GIRLFRIEND OF 4 YEARS LIED TO ME ABOUT BEING PREGNANT WITH NOW HER 2 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. SHE DENIED HER PREGNANCY DESPITE ME HEARING NUMEROUS RUMORS FROMS NEIBORS ON THE SAME BLOCK. SHE DID IT BECAUSE SHE KNOWS IM A MUCH BETTER CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB. SHE HAD ANOTHER MAN'S NAME ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, THEN ONCE THEY BROKE UP, AND I MENTIONED TAKING A DNA TEST FOR THE THEN 1 YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL, SHE TYPED UP A FAULSE DNA TEST, PLACED IT IN A BROWN ENVELOPE, THEN GAVE IT TO ME THEN ACTED SUPRISED WHEN I OPENED IT. I CALLED THE 1-800 NUMBER THAT WAS HAND WRITTEN ON THE BOTTOM, ASKED THE GUY TO VERIFY THIS INFORMATION, HE STATED THAT HE'D NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE THAT NAME, NOR DID HE HAVE HER NAME IN THERE DATA BASE. I APPROCHED MY GIRLFRIEND WITH THIS INFORMATION, AND SHE STUCK TO HER STORY, AS OF RIGHT NOW WE DONT KNOW IF THIS IS MY CHILD, SHE'S 2 YRS OLD, I BEEN THERE SINCE SHE WAS 3 DAYS OLD, AFTER HER ALLEGED FATHER SIGNED HIS PARENTAL RIGHTS AWAY TO AVOID CHILD SUPPORT, I DONT KNOW IF THIS CHILD IS MINE SHE LIED TO ME TOO MANY TIMES, I CANT AFFORD A DNA TEST RIGHT NOW.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

Who's the parent thinking of money?

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I think it's so wrong what this woman did to him, but with that being said, this guy is really a cheapskate and a selfish jerk.  To put money above the feelings of a child is ridiculous.  After that amount of time he should  be the bigger person and continue what he has been doing.  Children's feelings are so fragile at any age and now she is a teenager which adds another layer of problems.  I know what I would do and it would be keep paying and maintain the relationship.  That would mean more in the long run than how much money you spent.
I'd be curious to know if the biological father's profession paid as well as Enrique's? Maybe Maria's motive for not disclosing the truth?
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

Right on!

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I am a mother of  2 daughter's that survived the "divorce train"!!  I, also, had to constantly fight my ex husband for every bit of help for my daughters, but....I think this part of the law is not set up for anyone's benefit not even the children.  That has given the mother's too much legal power , and not  much thought to the children's welfare.  I think the injustice of the mother's not either admitting who the father is OR keeping the truth from everyone is worse than abuse.  So if this lie is a degree of mental abuse to the child, should they not get jail time for the abuse and be "labled" child abuser.  Maybe a mother might think twice to keep a secret like that if they thought jail time could come from this horrible lie!!  Doesn't it also teach the children that if you lie about anything that effects a child,(that effects anyone, it is okay?  I grew up in a small town and I know that a women naming a man that was not the real father happens a lot!!  It did in our town and I often wondered what would happen if as thses child (who ended up being fathered by the same man)  wanted to date as they got older, what would the mother do knowing they were really brother and sister!!)  A child finding a truth about thier on genes and background, a truth about who they are cannot be a bad thing.  I really think these mothers have committed the true crimes
I totally agree, why should the man go to jail and not the woman.  The woman started the whole mess in this situation.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

What is a Father?

First of all, did the mother actually trick him in the sense of the word, or was she really unsure who the father was.  I don't believe that she should have kept her affair to herself.  She should have confessed it to Enrique.  Did she not tell him because she still loved him and didn't want to lose him?  This doesn't excuse her because this must have haunted her inside to some point.

My problem is that it's not just the sperm alone that make you a father.  The father is the one who raises the child.  He is the one who feeds, changes, plays and nurtures them.  Even though it is a terrible thing that happened and a shock to him, it is not the childs fault.   She is his daughter and he is her father.  Her biological father is the sperm donor. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, Enrique walking away from his daughter the way he did is a far worse crime then what his exwife did.   This child was all of 10 years old.  How could she have understood the reasons.

Taking her to a park and telling her was totally unacceptable.  He should have sat with the mother first and discussed how they were going to tell her.  They should have told her together.  Just the two of them.

He should have ensured this child that he still loved her.  He should've never stopped seeing her.  He is the daddy.  Her daddy, the only daddy she ever knew.  Until this point he thought of her as his daughter and should never have even thought different, even though he isn't the biological dad.  He raised her as his own.

 

I feel, he should pay child support because of the relationship they had.  This for the love of the child.  To go after the biological father at this point is pointless.  If he doesn't want to give the money to the mother, and I can understand his mistrust of her.  He could be told of Selena's needs and go with Selena to get them. This again, because he loves her. 

 

It's sad that this happened to him but he is the adult and must swallow it for the child, not the mother.

The mother will have to live with the guilt of what she has caused forever. 

 

I feel the new wife of Enrique has too much to say.,  She dictates to him how she feels and he believes her words and intuitions.  Well, she is the 3rd party in this and should let him think for himself.  He is a pretty insecure person to not be able to think for himself.  This is putting it nicely.   It is nice of Chris to want to adopt her, but in Selena's eyes she had a father and he is still living.

 

This whole issue should not involve the new partners.  They should step back.   This is for the mother and father to deal with.  The anger and the deceit towards each other should be between them and not the child.  The child is the one who's suffering the most, unnecessarily.  Whether, she'll be able to ever heal totally from this terrible mess will be seen in the future.

 

I think that Enrique should step up and pay for the child's sake.  

 

The mom, well she'll have to live with her deceitfulness and the payback she will get, will come to her in one way or another.  God will give her the pennance.  What comes around goes around and payback is usually not very nice.

 

In all of this, the important person to think of, is Selena.   What is best for her.  She is the victim here.

Let us not forget that we as adults are to protect our children.   I think this child has suffered enough.

God bless her!

 

It's too bad that money is such a priority in our lives that we will make it more important then our children.

What a sad, sad world we live in.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:36 pm PDT

What in the world!

I would have to agree with that lady lawyer in the fact that I think that the child should be the main focus. Yes it sinks for the dad to have to be lied to for all those years but he is adult and should realize that he has built a relationship with a girl for ten years (real father or not) he should stand up and claim her. It doesn't matter if he is the real father or just a random guy that ten years ago committed to intering into her life... that girl is his daughter.  It shows so much about his character for him to break off a relationship with a child who has done nothing wrong just for money.  I would have to say that he sits there and is so pissed at the fact that the mother lied (which is a whole nother awful story) but this man is just as much of a jerk and has not right to point any fingers.  To have a solution to this mess would be amazing and near impossible but I think that if both the mother and somewhat of a father where open minded and not so set on pointing a finger and would just take the blaim then this could all work out.  The focus should be to have that child realize her worth and realize that lots of people have jacked up families but that does not mean that she has to be anything like that. That is just my feelings in a nut shell!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I feel so bad for the child, and yes the mother should be held accountable for her actions, but this man did build a relationship with the child. Is this her fault? She shouldn't suffer because of her mothers actions. I think that the "dad" should still be involved in her life. Not nessacarily by paying the mother money, but do things with the girl, take her places, shopping if she needs something. I mean, he did spend 10 years being a huge part of her life and its not like the mother just crawled out of the wood work saying guess what, you have a 10 year old kid and I want support.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY ON THE MOTHER'S PART

I watched the show today regarding the father who found out after 10 years that his wife had an affair and one of the two daughters she had while married to him was not his biological child.  I am a female attorney and was a local legislator in the State in which I live. Here the State legally sues the biological father to reimburse the State if the State pays monetary and health benefits to a child and later find a biological father that has the financial ability to pay for the child.  The State will also legally prosecute a mother who lies regarding her child's paternity in order to receive State sponsored benefits.  Everyone I know supports this State action to have money return to the State coffers from the biological father.  The State law gives the State the right to do something that they seem to deny the father the right to do, recoup from the biological father or mother. The victimized husband/father should have the same right. 

 

I find it incredulous that Gloria Alvarez would support a man continuing to pay child support for a child that the mother has fraudulently or even mistakenly told him was his child when DNA proves that he was not the biological father.  The mother knew or was in the best position to know that the child was not the biological child of her husband.  She chose to trick not only her husband but also her child for over 10 years.  Finding out the truth was traumatic and hurtful for both the ex-husband and the child.

 

As a child that grew up without a father’s financial support, I agree with Ms. Alvarez that a major problem is the many biological fathers that fail to pay child support.  However pursing men who are not the biological father to pay child support for a child that the mother tricked them in to believing was their child does not resolve that problem.  It is in fact ridiculous.  Why should the mother be rewarded for lying about her affair and the child's paternity?  If she was suing to keep the ex-husband in the child's life, I would understand.  However, she is suing for money from a man she tricked and victimized.  (IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY ON THE MOTHER'S PART) If she needs money to support her child then she should go straight to the biological father, if she knows who he is.  If not then she can sign up for welfare and the State will force her to list all of the men she had sex with at that time. 

 

The argument I keep hearing for forcing the non-biological spouse to keep paying is that the man should pay child support because it is in the best interest of the child to keep the father child relationship.  It would seem to me that if you force a man to pay child support for a child that a woman tricked him into supporting, the opposite affect will and has occurred.  The man will feel resentful and more than likely pull away from the child.  Some of this will be because he is hurt and humiliated and feeling betrayed.  The other is in most people's gut they hate to be forced to pay for a responsibility that is not their making.  Also forcing a man to pay child support to his biological child or non biological child does not make for a loving relationship between parent and child.  A relationship is much more than money.  Money feed the belly, love and support feeds the heart. 

 

The father acted badly in the way he told the child.  I am sure he was hurt.  However he did not take 10 years to come back and wants a relationship with the child.  I believe with time they can repair their relationship.  If he truly wants a relationship with the child he will give her time to trust him again.  What the child gets to learn and what we all learn is that our parents make mistakes also, some of them major mistakes.  Mine did.  I have never seen the two in the same room.  As a child I had to learn that my parents were human and made major mistakes.  As an adult I had to learn that they have not resolved these problems and I don't have to be in the middle of them. 

 

A child is a precious being and the best way to keep a loving relationship between the father and child is to give the father the option of paying support or other financial support as he sees fit and giving him the right to maintain a loving relationship and some type of visitation and/or custody of the child.

 

I believe that the real reason the State is so vested is pursuing the father that has been tricked into continuing with the financial support is that the State doe not want to incur the financial responsibility of the child's support. It is easier for the State to pass the responsibility on to the tricked and victimized father.  Many argue that the marriage contract was between the husband and wife and as such any problems such as fraud should be between the two parties.  However, the state legalizes marriage and it therefore a party in the marriage.  Finally, since DNA has now become a stable in our society, perhaps we should require DNA test of the child and parents before the child leaves the hospital much as we require the child's foot print to be taken. 

 

Either way the mother should not be allowed to sue the ex-husband for child support. The victimized husband should be allowed to sue for reimbursement from the mother and/or the biological father.  The mother should be required to reveal the biological father's name and the ex-husband should be able to sue the mother for fraud and receive a monetary judgment.

 

Why is the mother suing the victimized ex-husband for child support?  T'S ALL ABOUT FRAUD AND THE MONEY ON THE MOTHER'S PART!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

not a man

 dr. phil,  any man that wants to call himself a real man would have handled this situation differently. first of all enrique should have confronted and discussed this with his first wife. she did finally admit she had an affair so what else did he want. the child should have never been told the way she was and on top of that he was such a coward he stopped all visitation with her. what a lame excuse for a man. the new wife should have stayed out of it until it was resolved between the two parents. although he is not the biological father what difference did that make. i don't blame the daughter for not wanting a relationship with him now and hope god curses him with impotence so he will realize just what he's missing. any man who would abandon a child in that way doesn't deserve the love or time with any other child. how do we know if sometime down the road he comes up with a reason to abandon the other child. we already know he is fully capable of it. he has a proven record. also shame on the mother for not being honest with him a long time ago. she is not blameless. oh yeh, keep paying the support. its not the childs fault.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

not aobut the money says the attorney

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She is a waste of a human being.And she is a lawyer? That is really scary !!!!
If she calims it isn't aobut the money and about the childs best interest then stop support and continue letting the only father she has know see he without paying.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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       It appears, according to Gloria that every man should have every child DNA tested at birth to reserve his rights. Gee, what kind of chaos could that kind of mistrust in marriages cost? Maybe Ms. Allred is also a divorce attorney.

                                              Michael

I could not believe the words coming out of her mouth.  She is suppose to be on our side?  I was embarassed to hear all she was saying and I don't think she should be identified as a woman role model.  I don't want her speaking for us women.  I have my own voice!!
 
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