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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 4:46 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: d1anaw

I've been through the ringer with a new wife who is looking out for only her own best interest. It was many years ago and it was my ex husband who cheated with said new wife, not me. But it didn't stop her from yanking his chain to do everything he could to get out of paying child support for his own child, in my case, his own biological child. Many of these new wives are incredibly greedy and they don't give a crap who gets hurt in the process of getting it all for themselves. In this case, it was all about the new wife. There is no doubt in my mind that current wife is steering the boat and it's all about the money. She wants to have all the money and all the control. I believe she only started complaining about him not having visitation after he expressed remorse for HIS CHOICE to cut himself out of the life of the child. Did the mom screw up? Absolutely. But the child is the one who has been punished. And that is on the shoulders of the man who pretended to be dad for 10 years. It was especially clear that the new wife was the one in the trenches and the one calling the shots when the attorney came out and she was making it all about her. She should have been a non-entity and instead was trying to make herself the victim. She didn't even seem to grasp the concept that the victim was the child, not her or mom and dad.  And how dare Enrique think he has the right to say whether or not the child is adopted by mom's current husband. At least he wants to take real responsibility for the child, something Enrique's wife didn't want him to do and he chose to go along.  Another case where he wants all the rights and benefits without any of the responsibility.  I will say that having been through dealing with a greedy new wife myself and seeing stories like this greedy wife, taught me about how I did not want to behave in my own situation. 
How dare you compare your situation with your ex to this ,you sound like a bitter women grow up this women lied to this man without any remorse. Your ex is the father of your child this man played no part in creating that young lady and should not have to pay for her. My husband is a victim of this kind of fraud and his biological child are taken from to provide for another man's responsibility how about them????????? So you are saying it is ok to take from one child to provide for one that does not belong to you??
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:48 pm PDT

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Quote From: roserive

well  i  agree with you on staying is dad  but i think that the money that you have to give her should go to a seperate account where she cant touch it at all. It is for the children not for the mothers  they should be responsible to suport the children.....that money should be for the chidren when they get adult to help them  because many women gets pregnant and takes man for a ride    not fair  to the chidren
I think it is great that you will continue to be a father to your son either way, and I understand that you will love him no matter what. But I don't think it is fair for a child never to know.  Now may not the time, but when he is an adult, you and his mother should be able to tell him. There is just something about lies, they always come back to haunt you and at inappropriate times.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:48 pm PDT

Sad...

I think that it is so sad to have put Salina through this. Her mother should have been honest to her. The man she used to call "DAD" shouldn't have to pay child support but he should've been a man and loved her still, even though he is not the bio dad he should've had love for her not pain...this is so sad. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:49 pm PDT

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They say that truth sets us free and I agree.  We always talk about being accountable, yet our legal system falls short on that.  Like in a traffic ticket in our town if I pay the $150.00 then they forgive me and don't even give me a point ( N.Y. we would call that bribry) and no one gets the fine reduced no matter what else might go down.  So in this legal system I would hope that a man that is not the father then he should not have to pay another mans pleasure.  The child is the victim of both the natural parents.  The child has the right to know who her father is and I think men need to think twice before they bed down.  That the risk of having a child is always there and unless he would consider marrying her he should not go there.  Men too often are left out of the picture of being accountable and then  when the women gets pregnant then sociaty starts pointing fingers at her  if she chooses abortion.  Men use their tool as a sprinkler system sometimes and don't realize where their seeds will sprout.  I think those who are pro life (Iam too in a different way) then let them adopt the mom and child until the child is 18, otherwise they should hold their own opionion....go see the movie Balla it shows what some women go through, not saying I agree withall of it.  Ok going back to the parent trap,  It infuriates me when female attornies are worse then men attorneies...All she kept focusing on was the child and that is one consideration but to ignore the fathers right is not ok either.  Who was it that said "If a women was going to be like a man, then at least let her be a gentleman" was it Charlie Chaplin?  This goes down to being honest in a relationship and that men need to think about the life they create when they go turn on their sprinkler system.  Why is it that women usually carey the burden and the man walks away...Just as the real father of these children in question.  I think it should be a choice how the new realized father handles his relationship with the child that he probebly fell in love with....I was a child from a single mom and yes it would have been nice to have a father, but having the real father is all we really want no matter who they are. A substitue is great sometimes but you still long for the history of our own father.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:49 pm PDT

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I understand how a man can feel hurt and betrayed when finding out his spouse has been unfaithful, however, it is not right for him to take out his anger and frustration on the child.  He has been in her life since birth and should have established a bond and genuine love for her.  Should he be legally financially responsible?  I say no.  Morally responsable, absolutely.  There should be allowances to change or ammend a birth certificate to show the biological fathers name and HE should be held financially responsible.  Taking it out on the child is just wrong, wrong, wrong.  There are situations which should not be shared with a child and this is one of them. 

He who is without guilt cast the first stone.  He is human.  He was wrong!  Now move on.

You're right that the biological father should be sought and held accountable. Make the mother accountable yes!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:49 pm PDT

Accountability!!

We've been in a similar situation. After a one night stand a woman said she was pregnant, then was not seen or heard from again. Seven yrs later she's going through a divorce from the man the child thought was his dad. Both adults had falsely signed paternity affidavits when the child was one stating he was the father. That didn't matter to either of them during the divorce and money came into play. The man didn't want to pay because he was bitter and the mom agreed because she wanted more support then she knew he would/could pay. What they all agreed to do, including their lawyers, was to not submit the paternity affidavits to the judge. The judge allowed the man's name to be taken off the birth certificate. Four months later we received the paternity test notice from the child support office, this being the first knowledge to us of a child. We fought it for four years during which she falsified more records, didn't comply with submitting records or showing up for depositions. At one point the support office became aware of the signed affidavits, but chose to continue after us since the test was 97% positive. A win at our State's Supreme Court and $30,000 later we know both sides.  Because of the lies that they all did at various times - this child was told that his 'dad' didn't want him, he was a mistake of a one night stand and now the 'real' dad didn't want him either. That woman hasn't been held accountable for anything. She committed fraud against the State and deliberately alienated her child in so many ways, yet she has not been reprimanded in any shape or form.  Our family went through significant emotional, financial and mental turmoil. It about destroyed us, but she’s just fine with the support office going after the legal father as it should’ve been during the divorce.  We are thrilled and hopeful seeing Paternity lawyers now as they are needed. My 22 yr-old son has three different buddies that are daddies out of wedlock.  All three are there for their kids, but the females have all moved on and only care about the money. They alienate the children from their fathers intentionally and have even made false reports to keep them away because the new boyfriends don’t want them around.  Those young fathers have no where to turn. They can’t afford lawyers so are at the mercy of these vindictive females who use the kids as pawns.  They are the ones that are harmful to the kids!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:49 pm PDT

How one lie can hurt many lives

 This is a very sad situation started with one lie. I think that eventually Selina will come to not trust her mother either. Right now she needs a parent to hang on to.  I think Selina and Enrique should be able to rebuild their relationship if that is what they want for themselves. At least Enrique owes Selina a huge apology for the way he dealt with the situation. It sounds like a knee-jerk reaction, but as an adult, he should have given it more consideration. The witch mother owes EVERYONE an apology. I call her a witch because of the smug way she reacted to the whole thing., like it was all Enrique's fault for not knowing about her affair. I wish Phil would have laid into her more. She got off so lightly. Enrique should be able to spend as much time with Selina as he wants. He should not have to pay child support. The support he paid is already gone so it would be a graceful thing if he could just let that go. Selina was worth it all.
As for the mom, I think in the long run she is going to pay dearly for this deceit. I imagine that one day she will have to answer to Selina for all this. One day Selina is going to understand just what her mother did.
And the Allred woman is an embarrassment to women. I believe in feminism. But that militant, man-hating display of bitchery gives women a bad name. She's the kind who thinks that if you talk louder and faster than everyone else you must be right. Ugh. That was disgusting!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:49 pm PDT

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I am Mia the current wife.  I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess.  I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter.  I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them.  It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband.  As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum.  I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart.  I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children.  Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18.  Ill stand by that!  
AMEN TO THAT MIA!!!  I am in 100% agreement.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

He should sue her butt

This woman is totally wrong.  He should be able to sue her for monies paid out plus there is no way ths man should be responsible for paying child support now for a child that is not his.  She should be made an example of through the courts.  It's people like her that make it hard for mothers to receive the child support that they are entitled too because of women like her tying up the system.  I am a woman and I would hate her butt and can see why the father reacted the way he did and I don't blame him.  It's not the child faught but her mother is responsible for this.  And then she had the nerve to laugh.  Oh my God. 

 

That lady attorney was out of her mind to take this woman side in this issue.  If I were the father, I would fight this all they way.  DNA test should be mandatory to avoid issue like this.

 

That child should hate her, not him.  It's all about the money.

 

Dr. Phil was way to easy on the mother.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:50 pm PDT

Right or Wrong?

This episode really got me thinking. This may come as a surprise seeing as I'm only 13. In a way I agree with Carnell and Gloria both. I agree with Carnell because I don't think Enriquer should have to pay child support for someone who's not even his daughter. Although I agree with Gloria because I don't agree with the way Enriquer went about to tell Selina how he"s not her biological father. I think that he should have sat down with the two girls and their mother about the problem and he should try to maintain a strong, healthy relationship with the girls.

 
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