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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 4:57 pm PDT

He shouldn't pay

That mother allowed him to emotionally bond with that child and did her a diservice by not allowing her to know her real dad. At the same time, Gloria is right. We need to get fathers to pay for their children. The real fathers should pay. Public policy doesn't need protecting, but children need care emotionally and financially. Mothers should be forced to declare any potential fathers and they should be tested accordingly. A two year window is not nearly enough.
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:58 pm PDT

Unfortunate!

Unfortunate!  Unfortunate that I know a man who was put through this same thing!! I want to have sympothy for a woman who might be too worried or too scared to lose her family over a mistake, but I can't. I am a mom, a wife and most importantly a woman! A husband and wife take vows to marry and with that they assume trust as part of them.  To mislead your husband into thinking he is a biological father of a child you are pregnant with is unforgivable.  It is unforgivable what you are doing to him as a father and a man and unforgivable what you are doing to a child you love. It is devasting for a man to find out that a child he has loved before birth is no longer his.  I can not imagine the confusion, hurt and devastation that has to accompany the news. As a father I'm sure he does not want to cut his rights away, but is it fair to really make him pay for a child that you conceived out of lies and betrayal?  In my opinion, if this mother really loves her daughter she will allow the child to determine whether she wishes to continue or regain a relationship with Enrique and the same for Enrique with Selena.  As a woman, she she not accept money from a man with whom she allowed to believe was his biological child when it was not.  If she really regrets her past actions she would stop taking his money and at the same time allow/encourage a relationship based on the love a parent... not the love of money from a man who was duped.  This would be showing that really he is her father based on love not biology or money!  How sad that she allowed this lie to go on for so long and because of the lie Selena was hurt.  No matter how he would have handled this (and his actions may not have been the best under the circumstances) Selena would have been devasted
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:58 pm PDT

Title IV D...........and its impact

The entire child support system today falls under Title IV D, Welfare system.

 

The enabler of the fraud perpetrated on this show today is the FEDERAL Government.

 

Enforcement of support orders is a revenue maker for the states and when they are fuled by federal tax dollars these cases multiply for the greed of billions of tax dollars being paid to the STATES.

 

Until such time that reform is brought and ONLY TANF cases fall under this funding, every case of divorce is now a welfare case by and through who supports the states financially.....the WELFARE SYSTEM.

 

Child support is driven by states due to the revenue involved. Dont expect the law to be followed , just expect demands to placed by the courts that no matter how ridiculous they are they will be enforced by judges that are bonused off this very system.

 

The children of america have become nothing but a means to an end for state budgets. The billions of dollars spent each year and the bonuses issued are what allows these atrocities to happen.

 

I HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF CHILD SUPPORT ORDERS FOR CHILDREN THAT DONT EXIST. a CHILD SUPPORT ORDER FOR A MAN TO PAY THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER TO RAISE HIS OWN CHILD.

 

tHE CASES GO ON AND ON..................THE END WILL COME WHEN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SAYS THE GOVERNMENT MUST STOP FUELING THESE STATE COURTS WITH MONEY.

 

IF A CHILD IS ON WELFARE , THEN THE AID IS NEEDED .....................BUT WHEN FAMILIES ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE WELFARE SYSTEM.......THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE IN THE FAMILY.

 

IF DR PHIL WANTS TO AID FAMILIES AVOID DISASTER SUCH AS THESE HE MUST TAKE TIME TO SEE WHAT DRIVES THE WRONGDOINGS TO THESE LEVELS.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:58 pm PDT

I am an abandoned daughter

I am an abandoned daughter. At the age of 16 my (biological) father left and refused to pay child support. He was, in my opinion, mentally ill. He was a survivalist and would just make his money and himself dissapear if we went after him for child support.

 

We - my mother, brother and myself - were literally living in poverty off of my mom's approx. $20,000 per year income. My father disappeared off the face of the planet and I don't think I have seen him more than five times in the last 8 years. He wasn't there for my highschool or university grad or my wedding. I have had time to deal with it and I think that he couldn't have done us any bigger favour than leaving. (Most recently, he has been in contact with my brother...after we were both finished post-secondary and too old for child support...as if that isn't transparent!)

 

I think that the father in the case of today's show simply had a viceral reaction to such hurt and deception that the mother caused. This entire thing was almost 100% her fault and she acts as if she is some amazing support for her daughter. "HELLO LADY! THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF YOU HADN'T CHEATED ON YOUR HUSBAND AND LIED FOR 10 YEARS!!!" Anyone who is able to cheat on their spouse AND lie about the paternity of their child is a horrible person. I can't beleive her non-chalant attitude. I think that the new wife of the father was right when she said: "Why are you laughing...there is nothing funny about this situation!" I guess I was super lucky to have a mother who was so amazing that I hardly felt a void. She is my mother, my father and really all I needed.

 

The father on the show was certainly was wrong and has no doubt caused irreparable damage to that poor little girl. However, as far as I'm concerned, he should not have to pay child support because his exwife was a con-artist. It was awful for him to cut off his relationship with her. I think that the advocate for victimized males was correct when he said: "Why can't there be a relationship outside of a court ordered exchange of money for time with your child?" She loved and looked up to him and he seems like a decent guy. I hope that if she wants a relationship with him, her crazy and damaging mother allows it.

 

My parents never had an abusive relationship and I was never abused, but I was actually happy to see my father leave. I didn't realize at the time what a financial burden it was on my poor mom. I think that she is an amazing person and when I see mothers like the mother on the show today, I respect my mom even more.

 

I think that this little girl is on the path to recovery. She has not one, but two father figures who really want to have a relationship with her. I hope that she is able to get the help that she needs and that her mother stops seemingly taking the situation so lightly.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:58 pm PDT

Paternity Fraud

The show said money wasn't the issue.  I say that's bull.  If it weren't for the money, no lawyer would be bothered.  Ms. Allred did a poor job of portraying herself as someone concerned about the child.  She's only concerned about earning all the money she can and women sticking it to men, no matter how wrong the woman or right the man.  She's nothing but a femanist pig and scum sucking lawyer.  It's disgusting to watch her try to pretend otherwise.  Also, the only reason the "mother" cut off his visitation "rights" is to force him to pay money.  Money isn't the issue.....what a huge lie.  How stupid do you think we are?  The real truth is his money would go to the mother, not the child.  Why should her life be financially rewarded at  his expense.  She should be penalized for her trashy, whorish ways, not rewarded. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

Parent Trap

Dr. Phil,

I believe you could have left Gloria Allred at home.  The moment she opened her mouth you would have thought she was in the courtroom fighting a personal battle.  I do agree the number one concern in this, is a child.  I think Enrique handled the situation wrong and I think he realizes this.  But I don't think he should have to pay child support, although I think he could help her personally in the needs that she will encounter as life goes on just because he does care about her.  This may not be his biological daughter but it is his daughter's half sister.  I think any woman that does this to a man is scum.  This is suppose to be someone you love.  If you want to have an affair, end the marriage first ,then play around all you want.

 
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October 29, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

answer to the new wife

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How dare you compare your situation with your ex to this ,you sound like a bitter women grow up this women lied to this man without any remorse. Your ex is the father of your child this man played no part in creating that young lady and should not have to pay for her. My husband is a victim of this kind of fraud and his biological child are taken from to provide for another man's responsibility how about them????????? So you are saying it is ok to take from one child to provide for one that does not belong to you??
She lied because she didn't know what the truth was. It wasn't until he left the marriage that his new wife pursueded him to do a DNA test. You are the one that needs to grow up!! The child is as much the victim because she lost her daddy. She is not a piece of trash that you just throw out the window because you came along. His responsibility was always for the child that he thought was his and nothing should change that. The only thing that could change that is a very very cold heart!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

Child First, Parent Second, Punishment Third

First and foremost the child should be protected at all cost.  They did not ask to be born.

Secondly, the Parent (child supporter in this case) should be offered compensation for this tragic story, which happens much too often.

Third, the Parent (mother in this case) should be punished by law.  Maybe if these women who lie to these men are punished less women would be apt to be deceitful about the biological parent.

 

No one wins in this case other than the mother, who for so many years accomplished keeping her lie to herself!  You should be ashamed of yourself and pray that GOD forgives you for this terrible injustice you have caused your daughter!

 

Lastly, the biological father should be sought and made to reimburse the past child supporter and pay up on his child support!  Come on WOMEN get your acts together.

 

I pray that this child will adjust and have a wonderful fulfilling life!

 

I am presently going through this with my own husband, who supports a child for 18 years that he has not seen in over 14 years due to his ex-wife.  We have suspected the child is not his and that is why the mother has kept him distant from his father.  However, we continue to pay the child support.

 

Thanks Dr. Phil for your great imput and knowledge in this case.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:00 pm PDT

Commendations

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AMEN TO THAT MIA!!!  I am in 100% agreement.
I commend you on your actions.  You were absolutely right in everything you have done.  Someday, soon I hope, Selena will understand tthe pain the underhanded, deceitful lies told by her mother caused both her and her "father's" pain.  What a selfish, selfless, horrible woman Selena's natural mother is.   If she were so concerned with Selena's well-being why isn't she asking the natural father to support his child?  Has she not infloicted enough pain on her daughter ane ex-husband?
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:00 pm PDT

SUE THE SH1T OUT OF MARIA

the bottom line is she lied from day one about the childs father. she should be sued for every dine she tricked  her exhusband into paying  + interest and that woman should be thrown in jail!
 
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