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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:01 pm PDT

How do the girls....

feel about what their mother did?  I hope they can learn from her selfish, arrogant stupidity and NOT do the same thing to someone else in future.

 

I feel for Enrique, it's obvious he's remorseful for telling Salina as he did, but hopefully they can recover from that and she can see the blame where it belongs (mother) and restructure their relationship.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:01 pm PDT

Think again!

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I believe that on both side's people are wronged.  Whether it is a father who is accused falsely or a father who denies the child so he doesn't have to pay support.  It would be a smart order for all the world to have mandatory DNA testing on all children.  This way not only is the question taken out of the equation, the parties involved will know the truth, and the children will be able to follow their own genetic trail.  In some instance the mother may not know who the father is, but then she cannot falsely accuse another.

 

I think we have to be held accountable for our actions in life, and I feel that the mother should be ashamed to be so angry in the betrayal she has created, and to feel that part of this is funny.

Dear mystic places,

Quoting some of your thoughts: "It would be smart order for all the world to have mandatory DNA testing on all children". It is absurd! We already have too much government and Hillary care will make it worse. You said it best in your last paragraph "I think we have to be held accountable for our actions in life" We don't need more government regulations in our lives to do the right thing!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:01 pm PDT

Had to put in my 2-bits

   "Common-law Fathers"?!! Are you smokin' something you shouldn't? No man but the biological father should be financially responsible for a child. This particular theory made me stop and immediately speak up.

   A woman is obligated by ethics and morals to inform any and all men with whom she's been fooling around of their potential paternity, and quite frankly, if she's afraid folks will think her floozy, well she should have thought of that before she carried on like a cheap floozy. And yes, I think DNA tests should be required by law at every birth, which would prevent this very thing, by letting the man/husband know she'd been unfaithful, thus preventing his getting attached to a child that is not his. If the male chooses to stay, right on, but the biological father should be identified, come what may, and be obliged to pay support, REGARDLESS OF THE STEP-FATHER"S CHOICE.

   I have a wonderful Dad, yet I do not share any DNA with him. When my mom split with him I went on visiting weekends with my sister, his daughter biologically. But not once did it ever cross my mom's mind that he should support me at the end of their marriage. She let him assume financial responsibility throughout the years they were together, though, and I have real issues with her because she refused to demand my sperm donor step up to the plate and assume the responsibility their lust produced, and technically they were married, he just split when I had 3 or 4 months under my belt.

   This young lady won't be a teen with malleable opinions forever; fifteen years from now she may very well be calling her mother some pretty hard names, not to mention the man she had an affair with...as it should be. Because a man is as wonderful as my dad was, it does not give any female the right to force anybody other than the biological father to provide for said offspring. If you're going to be man or woman enough to take off your clothes, then you BOTH, better be man or woman enough to take responsibility for your actions, and be prepared to answer for them.

   That mother could not be woman enough to stay faithful in her marriage, she couldn't be woman enough to either seperate or divorce, or fix the marriage, nor could she be woman enough to say "I screwed up, this baby might not be yours," , but by golly she's fast to say he needs to be a man and step up to an obligation that rests solely on her shoulders!!! Quite frankly I'd like to slap the taste-buds right out of her face.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:02 pm PDT

parent trap

   I was writing in regards to this show because I understand it on a personal level. my brother and I have different fathers and we did not find out about it until we were in our late teens. My father also told my brother in a horrible way... but my father new since my brother was born that he wasn't his child. He had the choice whether he wanted a relationship with my brother. Which brings me to my point. you don't get to choose how a person reacts to information that there given. Now if she would have told him in the beginning he could have gone through his emotions with out effecting the child. parents are people to they don't always react in the right way.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:02 pm PDT

You go, Mia!

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I commend you and am sorry you were demonized. I agree with you whole heartedly.  However, your husband acted inappropriately by telling the child in that fashion.  I hope he is released from paying support and or the threat of jail and that de does establish a trust fund.
Maria was completely out of line to blame this on you.   Talk about shooting the messenger!  I sincerely hope that justice is done here.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:03 pm PDT

If Only They Would Listen

As the attorney that represents victims of paternity fraud mentioned, 30% of paternity tests are negative.  That doesn't even include those that do not get paternity tests.  The child IS the most imporant aspect out of all of this.  But I think that the main point that is being missed is where the responsibility lies. I do not believe that Selina's father would have abandoned her had the system and Selina's mother approached this situation in a more reasonble manner.  The responsibility SHOULD be on the mother that neglected to disclose her affair and the possibility that he may not be the father.  Granted, Selina's father should have approached this in a different manner, but by punishing him financially for the fraud committed by his ex-wife is just adding an injustice to this equation.  This could have been a more civil situation had his ex-wife admitted her fraud and role in the situation, and made an effort to locate Selina's biological father so that he can own up to his financial responsibility.

I do wish for the best for Selina, a beautiful and intelligent young lady who is mature beyond her years.  I admire her for her strength through this whole situation. 

Efforts should be made to impliment policy changes that resolve the problem where it began and so that it is resolved in the best interest of all of the injured parties. The show guest that sought and succeeded in legisltive reform of this issue is on the right track in my opinion.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:03 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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AMEN TO THAT MIA!!!  I am in 100% agreement.
I don't think you should even have to defend your actions. Husbands and wives should not have to worry about censoring their conversations with each other. If you can't talk to and be honest with your spouse, you end up with bigger problems...like feeling it is okay to cheat and lie about the paternity of your kids among other things!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:03 pm PDT

So mad I could spit nickels!

I have never posted a message on Dr. Phil's message boards before, but I am so mad I could spit nickels! More emphasis should have been placed on the biological father. The judge should have ordered the mom to reveal his name so the court could locate him. Since he did not, the mother should have stepped up, reveal the true father's name and hired someone to locate him. He then should be made to take a DNA test and if found to be the dad, pay up!  I agree with Ms Allred on ONE thing. There is a huge problem of biological dads not paying support for their children. The biological dad in this case isn't even being ASKED to pay for his child!!! HE should be made to step up, not  Enrique. Enrique should continue a relationship with Celina, but the child support should come from the man responsible for creating her. And the mother should be charged with a crime, as she knowingly deceived Enrique.

Thank you

Laura Adams

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:04 pm PDT

Wow!

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Wow. I agree with everything except that Amber's testimony should be scrutinized in the murder trial, suspect possibly but not dismissed. Peterson was guilty!!! PS was the "fraud" case prosecuted?
  Wow! You have said it all.  I am experiencing the same situation.  I agree with every word that you wrote, and I would feel better when and if  the law make these women pay for their fraud.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:04 pm PDT

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AMEN TO THAT MIA!!!  I am in 100% agreement.
Where is the biological father?? or were their more than a couple of choices?  I think the mother is completely wrong and can not believe she can act like this is his fault. I think he should be allowed to mantain a relationship with the child and should not have to pay child support. Salina should be questioning her mother......what is this world coming to do all fathers need to do dna testing at the birth of all children??
 
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